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kiwisub12 -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/28/2008 6:48:18 PM)

She wants to do it because endentureless people are sooooo sexy!

There is nothing quite as arousing as a mouth full of gums   -   and it does wonderful things for the face too. [8|]



and while she is at it, she needs to have a colostomy so her anus is always clean and available, and get bigger boobs so she can do tweeners - i am sure there are a lot of things she could do to make herself more available to  doms.



JumpingJax -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/28/2008 7:18:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

I play blood sport. I do cutting, piercing and branding. It is possible that these can all be done in ways that permanently change the body. Not everyone is going to want to play on my playground, and that's a good thing. I also wouldn't play with someone who didn't want to participate in what I do. That is also a good thing. Abide by your own ethical landmarks, only agree to what you are really willing to be a part of, and don't take anything at face value that you haven't witnessed yourself.


So this I guess is exactly my point.  I can understand the live and let live,  to each their own, different strokes for different folks etc mentality.   I pride myself on being someone who can look at different points of view and even I don't agree with them I can usually understand where they are coming from.

There has to be limits,  there has to be a line some where that you just don't cross?    I have to question the concept of cutting.  Besides have an inherent risk to it,  why would you want to do it to another human being?  

I know cutting, sadly appears to be more main stream.   But with the sound of some of these Dom's I hear,  I can't help but wonder if their subs lives mean anything to them?   If Murder was legal,  I have no doubt their would be subs out there being killed in the name of sexual pleasure.  Hell I'm sure it is happening some where.   Sick, and sad.




LadyLupineNYC -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/28/2008 7:47:27 PM)

Women ARE killed for the sexual pleasure of their murderer's.  Oddly enough, without BDSM having anything to do with it.  The issue I have here is you seem to think that submissives are stupid, weak, and otherwise unable to think for themselves.  That their Masters/play partners etc don’t use SSC or RACK.  Based on what? Wank profiles?  Profiles, most likely set up by men so that they can get angry emails 'yelling' at them.  Yes, people do do that...and, yes, others might even really like other extreme acts like cutting.  How about instead of assuming people are incapable to make their own choices, you just realize it's not for you and let those for who it is be.   



JumpingJax -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/28/2008 8:19:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyLupineNYC

Women ARE killed for the sexual pleasure of their murderer's.  Oddly enough, without BDSM having anything to do with it.


That is a very valid point,  although I'm not really sure it has anything to do with where I was going with this.  YES crime exist - evil is in this world.  My question is more are some of these acts being preformed under the disguise of BDSM with or without a subs consent?

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The issue I have here is you seem to think that submissives are stupid, weak, and otherwise unable to think for themselves. 


Really?  That is how I come off here?   It is my intent to argue that all people regardless of titles are equals and deserve to be treated with a certain level of respect.     That being said, some people inside and outside the BDSM world battle depression.   Some of these people think of ways to hurt themselves and many even go so far as to actually take their own life. 

Well in the BDSM world this creates a certain danger.   Because in the BDSM world it is acceptable to choke someone to near death or place cuts on their body or I guess knock their teeth out of their mouth.      But if these acts are the effect of some type of depression then these people need medical help, not sadist Doms.  

My question is why would any rational sane person submit themselves to some of these acts.   How would a Dom be able to prescreen someone to evaluate their sanity.   Further how many Dom's out there really care about their subs enough to even consider WHY their sub wants want they want?

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Yes, people do do that...and, yes, others might even really like other extreme acts like cutting.  How about instead of assuming people are incapable to make their own choices, you just realize it's not for you and let those for who it is be.   


Cutting is a serious issue among people battling psychological problems.    Regardless of you admit it or not,  I am convinced there is something wrong with the sub which enjoys this behavior.   Further I am sure the same is true for the Dom that does this to someone else.

Yeah I get it...   Not for me,  get my nose out of everyone else business.  I probably can't change anyone's mind here but as a human being it bothers me and I'm compelled to speak up.



Icarys -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/28/2008 8:22:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: XaviersXian

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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ORIGINAL: XaviersXian

greetings to all,

Sounds like one of these "I will do x to prove my slaveness" things again.  In my experience, people like this are either inexperienced, or full of it.  My guess is that if a Master actually suggested socking her in the mouth for the purpose of "better service" she'd either cry foul and back right out, or agree to it, only to run to the police afterwards.

People like this give people like me (slaves who live it, not just claim it) a bad name.  They help to fuel the misconception that we've got porridge for brains.

well wishes,

Sounds a lot like your post, just not as graphic.



greetings to all,

Icarys, I've sent you cmail and taken this issue off-board.

well wishes,

You have mail.



LadyLupineNYC -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/28/2008 8:31:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JumpingJax

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ORIGINAL: LadyLupineNYC

Women ARE killed for the sexual pleasure of their murderer's.  Oddly enough, without BDSM having anything to do with it.


That is a very valid point,  although I'm not really sure it has anything to do with where I was going with this.  YES crime exist - evil is in this world.  My question is more are some of these acts being preformed under the disguise of BDSM with or without a subs consent?

yes, this has also happened but no one in the scene would actually recognize the acts as 'legit' within the scene.

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The issue I have here is you seem to think that submissives are stupid, weak, and otherwise unable to think for themselves. 


Really?  That is how I come off here?   It is my intent to argue that all people regardless of titles are equals and deserve to be treated with a certain level of respect.     That being said, some people inside and outside the BDSM world battle depression.   Some of these people think of ways to hurt themselves and many even go so far as to actually take their own life. 

This lifestyle is not a nanny state (and, yes, you come off as very very naive ), unless that is your kink. Most of the D/s relationships you will find are very loving and very supportive.  For those, in the very small minority you are refering to, they would equally be vulnerable in the 'vanilia' world as within the kink world.


Well in the BDSM world this creates a certain danger.   Because in the BDSM world it is acceptable to choke someone to near death or place cuts on their body or I guess knock their teeth out of their mouth.      But if these acts are the effect of some type of depression then these people need medical help, not sadist Doms.  

Why can you still not see that was not a 'serious' profile?

My question is why would any rational sane person submit themselves to some of these acts.   How would a Dom be able to prescreen someone to evaluate their sanity.   Further how many Dom's out there really care about their subs enough to even consider WHY their sub wants want they want?
See above


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Yes, people do do that...and, yes, others might even really like other extreme acts like cutting.  How about instead of assuming people are incapable to make their own choices, you just realize it's not for you and let those for who it is be.   


Cutting is a serious issue among people battling psychological problems.    Regardless of you admit it or not,  I am convinced there is something wrong with the sub which enjoys this behavior.   Further I am sure the same is true for the Dom that does this to someone else.
For some this might be the case, but I suspect that for those who are NOT 'battling' psychological problems would take great exception to this...


Yeah I get it...   Not for me,  get my nose out of everyone else business.  I probably can't change anyone's mind here but as a human being it bothers me and I'm compelled to speak up.



I still have no idea who you think you are going to save?  Does the fact that every single time I have sex with my slave I hold him down and slap and hit him mean I am abusive? Does the fact that I want to see him get the same treatment from a guy, preferable someone he doesn't know make me a pimp?  Does the fact that I love seeing him cry big fat tears when I cane him make me a sadist?  Or maybe that is the way we LIKE our relationship, maybe today we went out, did some people watching, talked politics and books mean we really do have a very 'normal', loving relationship...



JumpingJax -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/28/2008 8:43:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyLupineNYC
I still have no idea who you think you are going to save?  Does the fact that every single time I have sex with my slave I hold him down and slap and hit him mean I am abusive? Does the fact that I want to see him get the same treatment from a guy, preferable someone he doesn't know make me a pimp?  Does the fact that I love seeing him cry big fat tears when I cane him make me a sadist?  Or maybe that is the way we LIKE our relationship, maybe today we went out, did some people watching, talked politics and books mean we really do have a very 'normal', loving relationship...


I don't seriously expect to save anyone.  I'm just on my computer at 10:30 at night wasting time,  and my breath.  Fortunately I am typing and not actually speaking so it enables me to keep going and going and going like the energizer bunny.  :)

To answer your question,  I don't view slapping and hitting as abuse when it is consensual.  Depending on the type of hitting,  maybe it's a little extreme but that doesn't really bother me,  bruises heal and pain usually fades.    

The issue I am taking is with acts against another which are no reversible.  Those things that leave permanent marks, disfigurement, or death that just can not be taken back.




UmbraDomina -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/28/2008 8:57:09 PM)

dude......aka Jax......... get over it..... just becouse it is not your kink doesn't mean it is wrong. While yes the profile you spoke about seems like wanker fodder, it might not be. Hell people are into all kinds of kinky stuff, and it's what makes their motor run. Like  :: beating people with canes, whipping them with single tail whips, beating them with slotted metal spoons till small bits of flesh are flung about on the walls, sewing ribbon  into a girls back so it looks like she wearing a corset, carving your inital into a persons butt, sewing a girls labia lips shut with a vibrating egg inside her..... wow thats some scarey shit huh? yeah it's been a fun year......lol



tweedydaddy -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/28/2008 11:55:30 PM)

Don't believe everything you read. People have fantasies that they love to see plastered on the screen. Reality is a different matter. I have seen some profiles where the fantasy starts with the age description and goes way off from there.
There are people who dream of just about anything, but it's never going to happen.
It's hard enough to find someone on here who really wants spanking, never mind a self destructive loon who wants her molars malleting out.



Icarys -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 7:19:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UmbraDomina

dude......aka Jax......... get over it..... just becouse it is not your kink doesn't mean it is wrong. While yes the profile you spoke about seems like wanker fodder, it might not be. Hell people are into all kinds of kinky stuff, and it's what makes their motor run. Like  :: beating people with canes, whipping them with single tail whips, beating them with slotted metal spoons till small bits of flesh are flung about on the walls, sewing ribbon  into a girls back so it looks like she wearing a corset, carving your inital into a persons butt, sewing a girls labia lips shut with a vibrating egg inside her..... wow thats some scarey shit huh? yeah it's been a fun year......lol

[:D]



Icarys -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 7:24:07 AM)

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I don't view slapping and hitting as abuse when it is consensual.


I personally don't care what you view as consensual, good, bad or okay when it comes to my life and my relationship. I don't think you should be worried about others either.
Try and understand it before you condemn it. Sometimes experiencing it first helps. It can be hard to understand some things when you don't have first hand knowledge.



JumpingJax -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 11:47:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
I personally don't care what you view as consensual, good, bad or okay when it comes to my life and my relationship.
 

Yeah guess I feel the same way there -  call it what you want - some of these activities are Abuse. 

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I don't think you should be worried about others either.


oh yeah another thing I don't care so much about,  that being what you think.    I  worry about it because I care and it breaks my heart to see someone who thinks they are the scum of the earth,  worth nothing more then to serve as some as some psycho's punching bag.

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Try and understand it before you condemn it. Sometimes experiencing it first helps. It can be hard to understand some things when you don't have first hand knowledge.


This may be true but there are some things you should just know to be wrong.





Icarys -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 12:02:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JumpingJax

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
I personally don't care what you view as consensual, good, bad or okay when it comes to my life and my relationship.
 

Yeah guess I feel the same way there -  call it what you want - some of these activities are Abuse. 

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I don't think you should be worried about others either.


oh yeah another thing I don't care so much about,  that being what you think.    I  worry about it because I care and it breaks my heart to see someone who thinks they are the scum of the earth,  worth nothing more then to serve as some as some psycho's punching bag.

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Try and understand it before you condemn it. Sometimes experiencing it first helps. It can be hard to understand some things when you don't have first hand knowledge.


This may be true but there are some things you should just know to be wrong.




Why don't you give us all a list and we'll make sure we don't do it again.

Hop off of that soapbox before you fall and hurt yourself.



DesFIP -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 12:08:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JumpingJax


Yeah guess I feel the same way there -  call it what you want - some of these activities are Abuse. 


oh yeah another thing I don't care so much about,  that being what you think.    I  worry about it because I care and it breaks my heart to see someone who thinks they are the scum of the earth,  worth nothing more then to serve as some as some psycho's punching bag.


This may be true but there are some things you should just know to be wrong.


That's precisely how I feel about high school football.

Beyond that, and the fact that in certain cases like football it is legal to consent to be abused, I agree with the op. Permanent harm is not right. You can't reimplant your original teeth and it is a long and painful process, not to mention expensive, to get implants. And they aren't the same.

Agreeing to have all your teeth removed so you could give a better blow job for six months before he replaces you for someone with a smile, who he can take out in public,  is permanent damage that cannot be undone.

However OP, it's quite possible and indeed likely that the profile you read which rightfully disturbed you so much was a fake one, written to upset people.



tazzygirl -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 12:58:12 PM)

Jax, some people are into pain.  pain slut is a term that has been around for a long time.  some profiles are meant to inflame... as they have done to you.  i like being caned, spanked, manhandled ~grins with a shiver~

one other thing to keep in mind.  some are here only for the role play, the fantasy, the cyber.  while that may be a fantasy, a way to get off sexually, if push came down to shove, most would be screaming bloody murder and calling the police! 

i also hate dentists... and every time i go to one, i jokingly say... just pull them all!

i agree with Des.  in a few months, when the desire wans, and he tires of looking at a toothless grin and wants to take someone out with his friends, she would be gone.  however, there are a rare few into the pain aspect... also a few who are odd enough to want to have that happen.

i dont adhere to the... its your kink, not mine, live and let live.  some kinks are illegal and immoral (necrophilia comes to mind quickly as well as pedophilia)  however, she is an adult, as as such, she is allowed to make her own decisions, as much as we may not approve of the ones she is making.  i would not want to witness her teeth being bashed in, but, until it actually happens, there isnt anything anyone can do to stop her or her desire to have this done.

somethings you just have to let go with the notion... adults  do crazy things... but.. they are adults nonetheless



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 1:03:36 PM)

if i read a profile of where it states they want their teeth knocked out or they want their penis removed....its usually a cyber fantasy and would never come  into real life.




MistressSassy66 -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 1:47:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JumpingJax

The issue I am taking is with acts against another which are no reversible.  Those things that leave permanent marks, disfigurement, or death that just can not be taken back.




There are submissives that get Tattoos of their Owners
intials or some other mark of Ownership...I hope thats not abuse [8|]

There are submissives that get Branded which can be a permanent
also.If thats abuse I am in some huge trouble,I'm sure I wont be alone.

Cutting(I said I'd never do that,but now it really intrigues Me) leaves a
scar that can be looked at and remind the submissive
that they belong to Someone.Its called Edge Play for a reason.

I dont get how someone such as yourself can decide what is right and wrong.
As the saying goes "Who died and made you boss"?

Most Dom/mes take their submissives Welfare very seriously,having
an injured/dead submissive is not fun.I'm sure there are some people
out there who will do anything.Most though are not harming the submissive.

That is another point to make that hurting and harming are two different things.
What is harmful to you isnt to someone else.Why is it so hard to accept that
people are different,thats what makes it interesting.

Dont blame the Dom/me it takes Two to Tango.Just because a person
is a submissive doent mean they give up all responsibility for themselves.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 4:24:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JumpingJax



There has to be limits,  there has to be a line some where that you just don't cross?    I have to question the concept of cutting.  Besides have an inherent risk to it,  why would you want to do it to another human being?  

I know cutting, sadly appears to be more main stream.   But with the sound of some of these Dom's I hear,  I can't help but wonder if their subs lives mean anything to them?   If Murder was legal,  I have no doubt their would be subs out there being killed in the name of sexual pleasure.  Hell I'm sure it is happening some where.   Sick, and sad.



There -is- a limit. It is at the point where a person decides that xhe does not want to do X. I can speak here as a person with some foundation in "open limits" relationships (what some folks may call TPE, no-holds barred, or total submission relationships). Even as the D-type entering into one of these relationships, after -literally- years of getting to that point with the person, during our House's "no-fault transition" (where either party can decide that the progression isn't a good fit), I've had people beg to be heard, and explain that they have realized, now that they're completely subject, that they just can't do it. Hey, it's good to know that, right? It's also good to know that people change. None of even our TPE servants is asked to promise the rest of hir -life- to us... xhe yields hir life, yes -- but our contract states that it is for as long as xhe feels compelled to yield hirself to our direction.

Some people have different limits. I may not like their limits, but that doesn't make them wrong. What two or more grown adults agree to, between them, where no person outside of their relationship is injured by the practice, I have no business judging, because I cannot be inside their heads and know what they are thinking and feeling. I can take responsibility for those who yield up their lives to me, and I can abide by my own commitments, responsibilities, and to the things that speak to my own nature. I can help where I am asked to interfere, and even have obtained the training to be pretty good at it a lot of the time... but I find it ethically reprehensible to second-guess another person's free will, so I will not do so -- not for any promise or external attempt at guilt waved under my nose.

Calla Firestorm



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 4:32:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mistress Sassy

"I love you not only for what you are,But for what I am when I'm with you."- Opening line from a poem by Roy Croft


Not to hijack the thread, but I had to comment on your tag line -- it caught my attention because we have a similar saying in our household...Ours goes "I love you not -despite- your flaws, but because of them, for they are an integral part of -you- and you would not be yourself without all of your aspects, light, dark, and every shade between."

Calla Firestorm



TabrisMaceth -> RE: WTF is wrong with these people? (9/29/2008 4:49:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW
"I love you not -despite- your flaws, but because of them, for they are an integral part of -you- and you would not be yourself without all of your aspects, light, dark, and every shade between."


...I'm so sappy for saying this, but...(blushes) That's beautiful...
<ahem> Okay, carry on.

-Tabris



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