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Roselaure -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 7:33:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Submissives, especially GREAT submissives, are MADE and INSPIRED by someone who is actually, well DOMINANT! Learn to be a talented dominant who inspires someone to crave submission to you and you will suddenly have that "submissive submissive"... I'm so glad you're back, Michael! This is exactly it. I could never explore the depths of my submission without a strong, intuitive Dominant, someone I can trust to take me there. It's simple really. Want a good submissive? Be a good Dominant.

Icarys -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 7:52:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Where are all the submissive submissives? Translation - "I can't dominate my way out of a paper bag and so I am looking for someone with an EASY button on their forehead" Submissives, especially GREAT submissives, are MADE and INSPIRED by someone who is actually, well DOMINANT! Learn to be a talented dominant who inspires someone to crave submission to you and you will suddenly have that "submissive submissive"... Not sure what to say to that other than it's a load. I don't believe I've ever looked for a submissive to inspire me to be Dominant..Why is it that way in your mind to you for them? There ARE GREAT SUBMISSIVES who don't need anyone to inspire them or make them into it at all because it's ingrained in their every day make up. I've known 3 in my life and I believe I'm talking to another in my personal life.

Icarys -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 7:55:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark waves back to Icarys I believe anyone who gets to clean your boots(swoons) in particular, would be blessed [;)] the.dark. Ahhh Shucks.[:D]

marieToo -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:06:56 PM)
Icarys--It's not a load, it's his personal belief. It can't be correct or incorrect. It's just the way some people approach and live their bdsm. Not everyone wants subs who walk through their lives under some hypnotic daze bowing down to every human who blows on them. This is deja vu from that other thread. Submission is ingrained in everyone who submits. You can't make someone into something they are not. If it wasn't already in a person, you couldn't make it be there, no matter how much finesse you have. It's not the submissive inclination that is inspired. It's the choice of who you actively submit to, that is. (For some people of course)

NihilusZero -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:08:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Not sure what to say to that other than it's a load. I don't believe I've ever looked for a submissive to inspire me to be Dominant..Why is it that way in your mind to you for them? There ARE GREAT SUBMISSIVES who don't need anyone to inspire them or make them into it at all because it's ingrained in their every day make up. I've known 3 in my life and I believe I'm talking to another in my personal life. Echoed. Greatness is not confined merely to the trigger subs.

Icarys -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:13:26 PM)
quote: Not everyone wants subs who walk through their lives under some hypnotic daze bowing down to every human who blows on them. This is what a doormat is to you? Have you seen anyone do that. Are any of these females that relate to the term "doormat" like that? As for it being his personal belief? What i posted is mine. When it comes to submissiveness yes it is ingrained in all of you but some fight it more than others and some simply are at different levels or only wish to be at said levels.

NihilusZero -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:15:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo Icarys--It's not a load, it's his personal belief. That's funny...I should think Icarys has the right to excercise his "belief" also, no? In any eveny, SimplyMichael's words were not paraded as opinion and he doesn't get special carte blanche for making an erroneous assessment under such guise. quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Submissives, especially GREAT submissives, are MADE and INSPIRED by someone who is actually, well DOMINANT! Is a flatly wrong viewpoint. quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo It can't be correct or incorrect. Oh, but it is wrong. quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo Not everyone wants subs who walk through their lives under some hypnotic daze bowing down to every human who blows on them. This isn't about wanting. This is about making false general claims.

NihilusZero -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:19:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: Not everyone wants subs who walk through their lives under some hypnotic daze bowing down to every human who blows on them. This is what a doormat is to you? Have you seen anyone do that. Are any of these females that relate to the term "doormat" like that? Even after the helpful words of many have been brought about to try and widen the scope of tolerance, some people still like creating mocking strawmen of doormats and slaves. Someone was 'clever' enough in another thread to post a link to realdoll.com, even. Went over as a real hoot, I tell you. [8\|]

NihilusZero -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:22:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Learn to be a talented dominant who inspires someone to crave submission to you and you will suddenly have that "submissive submissive"... 'Natural' submissives don't need 'permission' from a magic barometer of Dom-my coolness to make them who they are.

Icarys -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:26:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: Not everyone wants subs who walk through their lives under some hypnotic daze bowing down to every human who blows on them. This is what a doormat is to you? Have you seen anyone do that. Are any of these females that relate to the term "doormat" like that? Even after the helpful words of many have been brought about to try and widen the scope of tolerance, some people still like creating mocking strawmen of doormats and slaves. Someone was 'clever' enough in another thread to post a link to realdoll.com, even. Went over as a real hoot, I tell you. [8\|] Sweet isn't it?

marieToo -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:27:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: Not everyone wants subs who walk through their lives under some hypnotic daze bowing down to every human who blows on them. This is what a doormat is to you? Have you seen anyone do that. Are any of these females that relate to the term "doormat" like that? As for it being his personal belief? What i posted is mine. When it comes to submissiveness yes it is ingrained in all of you but some fight it more than others and some simply are at different levels or only wish to be at said levels. It's not about fighting it for everyone. Optimally a submissive evolves in a relationship. She evolves to being what her dom wants her to be, she's molded and shaped, or "made". She is "developed" by him; by the dom she chooses to take that journey with. Most of us do not just haphazardly enter ds relationships without thought about who we are putting ourselves in the hands of. For pete's sake. I didn't use the term doormat, so please do not pull me into the exchange you were having with someone else about being a doormat. If that was the point I wanted to make, I would have highlighted it. You will actually find me on these boards speaking plenty about doormats and my opinions on the matter. What I'm addressing is the fact that you don't seem to see the difference between being inspired to be submissive (which I don't think is even possible) and being inspired to choose someone in particular to submit TO.

marieToo -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:34:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero That's funny...I should think Icarys has the right to excercise his "belief" also, no? No one called Icarys opinion "a load". Those points always seem to conveniently escape you. quote: In any eveny, SimplyMichael's words were not paraded as opinion and he doesn't get special carte blanche for making an erroneous assessment under such guise. When someone makes a statement about subjective matters, as opposed to saying something factual like 2+2=4, it is clear to anyone with half a brain, that it's the opinion of the person making the comment. Or do we need to handle this like 8th grade politically correct bullshit so as not to hurt anyone's feelings, by prefacing everything we say with "in my opinion".

Icarys -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:37:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: Not everyone wants subs who walk through their lives under some hypnotic daze bowing down to every human who blows on them. This is what a doormat is to you? Have you seen anyone do that. Are any of these females that relate to the term "doormat" like that? As for it being his personal belief? What i posted is mine. When it comes to submissiveness yes it is ingrained in all of you but some fight it more than others and some simply are at different levels or only wish to be at said levels. It's not about fighting it for everyone. Optimally a submissive evolves in a relationship. She evolves to being what her dom wants her to be, she's molded and shaped, or "made". She is "developed" by him; by the dom she chooses to take that journey with. Most of us do not just haphazardly enter ds relationships without thought about who we are putting ourselves in the hands of. For pete's sake. I didn't use the term doormat, so please do not pull me into the exchange you were having with someone else about being a doormat. If that was the point I wanted to make, I would have highlighted it. You will actually find me on these boards speaking plenty about doormats and my opinions on the matter. What I'm addressing is the fact that you don't seem to see the difference between being inspired to be submissive (which I don't think is even possible) and being inspired to choose someone in particular to submit TO. My choice to use that word because that is where i see most of everyone's post coming from. I do see the difference. I do not believe in the first and the second for me isn't about inspiration..just compatibility and chemistry..if you want to call it inspiration so be it. I'm inspired to write poetry not to be Dominant and I don't think a female is inspired to be submissive like i believe some think it is. When it comes to the made comment. I don't make a female..I look for a female that's as close as humanly possible to what i want..I then make a choice based on a number of things.

marieToo -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:41:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys I do see the difference. I do not believe in the first and the second for me isn't about inspiration..just compatibility and chemistry..if you want to call it inspiration so be it. I'm inspired to write poetry not to be Dominant and I don't think a female is inspired to be submissive like i believe some think it is. When it comes to the made comment. I don't make a female..I look for a female that's as close as humanly possible to what i want..I then make a choice based on a number of things. Fair enough, Icarys. I appreciate the level-headed reply. And I think I got the gist of your meaning here.

Roselaure -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:45:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Where are all the submissive submissives? Translation - "I can't dominate my way out of a paper bag and so I am looking for someone with an EASY button on their forehead" Submissives, especially GREAT submissives, are MADE and INSPIRED by someone who is actually, well DOMINANT! Learn to be a talented dominant who inspires someone to crave submission to you and you will suddenly have that "submissive submissive"... Not sure what to say to that other than it's a load. I don't believe I've ever looked for a submissive to inspire me to be Dominant..Why is it that way in your mind to you for them? There ARE GREAT SUBMISSIVES who don't need anyone to inspire them or make them into it at all because it's ingrained in their every day make up. I've known 3 in my life and I believe I'm talking to another in my personal life. This is quite interesting. I agreed with Michael because although I have a submissive personality and a submissive inclination, in practice I am not submissive in a vacuum. The wrong or a bad Dominant could not, would not, elicit the same response from me as a good one. I do require inspiration. As a disclaimer I am not making a generalization about submission or commenting on the quality of anyone else's experiences.

NihilusZero -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:45:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo No one called Icarys opinion "a load". Those points always seem to conveniently escape you. So people are entitled to make general claims that are false under the pretense of it being "opinion", but someone cannot respond with and opinion stating they feel the initial statement is a "load"? This isn't about who's being nicest. Even if it was, the subtle insult to many ;natural subs' cradled in SM's words should count more heavily than Icarys' assessment of those words. quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo When someone makes a statement about subjective matters, as opposed to saying something factual like 2+2=4, it is clear to anyone with half a brain, that it's the opinion of the person making the comment. Really? So, if I were to say: "No site members with usernames beginning with lowercase m's could possibly be sufficiently "inspiring" to anyone other than the desperate!" ...that would be just an opinion, right? I mean there's no way to verify if what I say is true, correct? quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo Or do we need to handle this like 8th grade politically correct bullshit so as not to hurt anyone's feelings, by prefacing everything we say with "in my opinion". Opinions can be wrong. Your decision to be intentionally obtuse about this so as to grant leniency is irrelevant. quote: Submissives, especially GREAT submissives, are MADE and INSPIRED by someone who is actually, well DOMINANT! All it takes is for me to find one...one submissive that can attest to being submissive not by the hand of some uber-cool dominant power, but by her own natural persona...and it doesn't matter how "personal" the "opinion" is....it will be wrong. This is a verifiable statement. Those have a spot on the "correct" and "incorrect" continuum. People are free to have opinions, yes. People are not free to have their opinions also be "right" by virtue of them wishing it.

Icarys -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:47:30 PM)
quote: I do require inspiration. Care to elaborate on what "inspires" you to submit?

NihilusZero -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:48:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Roselaure I have a submissive personality and a submissive inclination quote: ORIGINAL: Roselaure I do require inspiration. So...which is it?

Icarys -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:49:57 PM)
quote: All it takes is for me to find one...one submissive that can attest to being submissive not by the hand of some uber-cool dominant power, but by her own natural persona...and it doesn't matter how "personal" the "opinion" is....it will be wrong. Well said. I'm beginning to appreciate your logic.

marieToo -> RE: Where are the submissive submissives? (10/2/2008 8:57:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero This isn't about who's being nicest. Even if it was, the subtle insult to many ;natural subs' cradled in SM's words should count more heavily than Icarys' assessment of those words. This is quite a comment coming from someone who takes subtle insults to a pure art form. Who the hell are you to sit on high and go around stating how everyone means what they say? I see you make quite a habit of this. At first I took you with a grain of salt, at this point it looks like you get off on just starting fires and antagonizing bullshit with no real intention of coming to any mutual understanding. The fact that you disguise it with fancy language and a holier than thou attitude, doesn't make your shit-stirring any less noticeable.

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