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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 6:27:07 AM   
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There's a pleasure center in a man's prostate that really can't be reached any other way. Some guys crave this more than others. It might change perspectives on who's in charge, or it might not. It's more likely to than, say, forcing a girl to suck your cock or throwing her over your knees and spanking her. There is some truth to that. But with the right handling, it wouldn't.

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 6:28:05 AM   
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Hi, silkenfire----
Not sure what the person's own personal sexual take on the activity related to themselves was as that wasn't the context of the conversation (It was a wholly platonic conversation; not 'looking', very clear on that in my profile).  He seemed adamant about the idea of Alpha-ness related to Doms (Which I still honestly don't 'get' though I have the image of someone strutting around like a rooster in my head) and the whole blow-job from a male as more acceptable than being f*cked by a woman.  Perhaps were it more an assertion of actions among equals I would understand it better in my own personal context (Ie: were he saying that because the blow-er was male, that is what made it different) but the focus was the action. 
Lol, your previous "dominant" sounds a lot like a rather submissive boy I man-handled, much to his and my pleasure.  That's nothing like f*cking a Dominant. 
Totally different than someone who is Dominant.  Totally!  :> 
Was your displeasure caused by the person's misidentification or another aspect?
Davan


Sorry, Davan, I really had to get to sleep at the time that I wrote that so it wasn't too clear...

My displeasure was not with the situation. I believe that when commanded/directed by the dominant male that there is nothing wrong with the act itself.

My displeasure myself was that it was precisely like manipulating a subbie boy. I have no respect for male subs and look at them as quite pathetic, if I've topped them... imagine then taking that viewpoint and applying it to someone supposed to be my "Dominant"?? It did not go over so well.

Of course, he was also not too dominant in many other ways as well, such as being too scared to ask me for oral (or even bring up the topic!) I got to thinking that he didn't like many of my "skills" but it turned out he was just scared to talk/ask me about anything... so dominant

I don't think the act is a problem at all, it's the tone taken, etc. and the way it is managed, that is important.

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 7:36:25 AM   
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I am one of those male dominants who enjoys receiving anal pleasure.  I like being licked and fingered there.  I've been fingered there and enjoyed it immensely, especially during orgasm into the female submissive I was fucking soundly at the time.

If I order her to fuck me with a strap-on and I retain the control during the entire situation and it is just one more way of her giving me...the dominant...pleasure, then how does this alter the dynamic?  Because she is the one penetrating me?  What does that make submissive males who penetrate their femdominant then...are they all of a sudden the dominant?  I don't think many femdominants would agree with that.

I think who think the one doing the penetrating is the one doing the dominance are looking only at the actions and not at all at the intent and the feelings of those involved...ironic given all the prolific posts on these forums about how much the play transcends sexuality for many.

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 7:45:26 AM   
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The only reason I haven't done prostate massage is the only thing I enjoy up my ass is someone's greedy tongue.  However, IF that changed and I decided I wanted to be fucked in the ass for MY pleasure it just might go something like this...

Sitting on the edge of the bed watching her crawling across the room with her strap on shoved so far down her throat that she is gagging and drooling on it.  Then kneeling beside me and licking up the lube from the bowl she uses her tongue to fill my ass with slippery lube and when I command her she stands and puts on her strap on.  She fucks me EXACTLY how I desire, whether than is me moving myself at whatever pace pleases me or my laying there so I don't have to work while she sweats away fucking me for my pleasure.  AFTER I cum she greedily cleans that dildo with her mouth for my viewing pleasure, showing me how badly she wants to taste my ass.

Yeah, it might just go something like that and anyone who can see my submission in there just aught to start saving some money so they can go and buy a frigging clue.  Being dominant is about doing what other people think you should do, it is about doing EXACTLY whatever the fuck it is YOU want to do, and finding someone who either longs to do the very same thing or whom you inspire to do it anyway.

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 8:19:51 AM   
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* giggles *
I know it's all good and am glad for the chorus of  'it's all good'. 
The individual who challenged me to post to the boards anticipated a storm of folks in opposition to that which we all have stated and I simply haven't seen one post (nor received a single communique privately) that contradicts what we've all said. 
Yaaaay, us!  :> 
  Davan

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 8:28:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch


it might make your submission to Him even deeper.. Solidify your relationship and your dynamic even further...and make you feel even more grateful that you chose the right man to submit to because He not only understands but embraces all your deep, dark, disgustingly sick and perverted fantasies and wants to see you experience it all and help you grow as a person and understand yourself and your motivations as much as you can..

This is exactly how I felt when my dom friend had me fuck him in the ass.  Mind you, he was totally in control and I loved it.  When I asked him why he let me do it, he said, "Because it's hot; because it's nasty; because it turned you on."  yes, yes, and yes.  It made me feel close to him, very close -- then he fucked me in the ass.... yummy.  If that domly love is wrong... who wants to be right?

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 10:58:30 AM   
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I'm just remembering the look of confusion on the guy I was with's face at he weekend when he tried to squick me with anal play.  The response, "oo I'm good at that, I got skills!" with reference to anal fisting, wasn't what he was expecting.  *grins*  Sometimes, unnerving the dom is yum.

And as far as fisting goes, (and strap ons, which I hate), I do what I'm told, I just happen to (sometimes) love doing it.

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 12:11:48 PM   
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Seems like you might have been talked to be a pretentious wanker rather than someone who understands the dynamic between people in a kink relationship of some sort.

Nothing i do for Andy makes him less Dominant or me a switch, just makes me an amenable and compliant slave who is happy enough within the relationship to fulfil any need or desire he may have with the greatest of pleasure, even if it's tinged with trepidation!

Some people need to get over themselves and the perceived wisdom they think they are imparting, because they seem to like the sound of their own voice rather than have a decent grasp of how M/s and D/s relationships really work.

Take all said by such persons with a huge pinch of salt.



< Message edited by pinkwind -- 10/7/2008 12:12:43 PM >

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 12:26:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: silkenfire

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Hi, silkenfire----
Not sure what the person's own personal sexual take on the activity related to themselves was as that wasn't the context of the conversation (It was a wholly platonic conversation; not 'looking', very clear on that in my profile).  He seemed adamant about the idea of Alpha-ness related to Doms (Which I still honestly don't 'get' though I have the image of someone strutting around like a rooster in my head) and the whole blow-job from a male as more acceptable than being f*cked by a woman.  Perhaps were it more an assertion of actions among equals I would understand it better in my own personal context (Ie: were he saying that because the blow-er was male, that is what made it different) but the focus was the action. 
Lol, your previous "dominant" sounds a lot like a rather submissive boy I man-handled, much to his and my pleasure.  That's nothing like f*cking a Dominant. 
Totally different than someone who is Dominant.  Totally!  :> 
Was your displeasure caused by the person's misidentification or another aspect?
Davan


Sorry, Davan, I really had to get to sleep at the time that I wrote that so it wasn't too clear...

My displeasure was not with the situation. I believe that when commanded/directed by the dominant male that there is nothing wrong with the act itself.

My displeasure myself was that it was precisely like manipulating a subbie boy. I have no respect for male subs and look at them as quite pathetic, if I've topped them... imagine then taking that viewpoint and applying it to someone supposed to be my "Dominant"?? It did not go over so well.

Of course, he was also not too dominant in many other ways as well, such as being too scared to ask me for oral (or even bring up the topic!) I got to thinking that he didn't like many of my "skills" but it turned out he was just scared to talk/ask me about anything... so dominant

I don't think the act is a problem at all, it's the tone taken, etc. and the way it is managed, that is important.



Does this mean you are the mystery person Davan was referring to?

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 12:26:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
Master: "Slave, I'm in the mood to have you penetrate me with a strap on."

Slave: "I'm sorry, Sir, but I cannot allow you to compromise your dominance by finding such a thing pleasurable...let alone demanding such a thing from me."

*splutters coffee*

priceless

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 12:30:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
Master: "Slave, I'm in the mood to have you penetrate me with a strap on."

Slave: "I'm sorry, Sir, but I cannot allow you to compromise your dominance by finding such a thing pleasurable...let alone demanding such a thing from me."

*splutters coffee*

priceless


The sad thing is just how many submissive females see it just the way NZ has stated...

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 12:44:57 PM   
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My particular compliments (Along with a flurry of giggles) to NihilusZero on this one: 
Master: "Slave, I'm in the mood to have you penetrate me with a strap on."
Slave: "I'm sorry, Sir, but I cannot allow you to compromise your dominance by finding such a thing pleasurable...let alone demanding such a thing from me."

In answer to someone's query about a respondent being the person I referenced who challenged me to create the thread.  No, that individual's not commented.  Sort of disappointing: having a Dylan Thomas moment (I think): "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" related to my accepting the challenge to take the debate public and then not saying anything.  Come out, come out, wherever you are and pose your dissenting opinion to mine.  Lol!  :> 

IvyMorgan----Fisting does rock, though I can't say I've experienced it anally (Giving or receiving).  Another great example, though, of one of those behaviors that people stereotype erroneously.  

SimplyMichael----Quite the potential scenario with your sub you spelled out there. 
Much appreciation for your sentiments: 
"Yeah, it might just go something like that and anyone who can see my submission in there just aught to start saving some money so they can go and buy a frigging clue."

  Davan

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 12:51:53 PM   
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No, I have no knowledge of Davan in real life or otherwise--

I responded to the thread.
Davan specifically responded to my post asking questions
So I responded to that post.

Nothing more nothing less.

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 12:55:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

The only reason I haven't done prostate massage is the only thing I enjoy up my ass is someone's greedy tongue.  However, IF that changed and I decided I wanted to be fucked in the ass for MY pleasure it just might go something like this...

Sitting on the edge of the bed watching her crawling across the room with her strap on shoved so far down her throat that she is gagging and drooling on it.  Then kneeling beside me and licking up the lube from the bowl she uses her tongue to fill my ass with slippery lube and when I command her she stands and puts on her strap on.  She fucks me EXACTLY how I desire, whether than is me moving myself at whatever pace pleases me or my laying there so I don't have to work while she sweats away fucking me for my pleasure.  AFTER I cum she greedily cleans that dildo with her mouth for my viewing pleasure, showing me how badly she wants to taste my ass.

Yeah, it might just go something like that and anyone who can see my submission in there just ought to start saving some money so they can go and buy a frigging clue.  Being dominant is about doing what other people think you should do, it is about doing EXACTLY whatever the fuck it is YOU want to do, and finding someone who either longs to do the very same thing or whom you inspire to do it anyway.

Yep..  Sure is hot in here..

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 1:02:50 PM   
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Hi, Silkenfire----
Regarding your elucidation of what you found disturbing, I can see how the person identifying themself in one way and behaving totally contrary to that might evoke some"WTF?!" moments.  Descriptors being a beginning point for conversation is one thing, choosing a descriptor that's somewhere near the ballpark is kinda sorta important and it sounds as if the individual in question was really attached to the idea of retaining/maintaining dominance while not being what he professed to be (Insecurity in stating what actually is, perhaps?). 

And, as silkenfire said, y'all (And, as I addressed in the post above hers that offered clarification): no, silkenfire isn't the person who challenged me.  And, I think I 'called out' the person in question with my statements above and have also followed up via cm-mail saying essentially: Come on, assert your opinion.  I was ready to field the droves of dissenting opinions that the individual was certain would be coming my way but apparently they aren't wanting to do the same given that their anticipated tables are turned?! 
Indeed, I am a surly little creature sometimes.  Occasionally, but not always, it's part of my charm.  < smirk > 
  Davan

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 7:56:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: silkenfire

I have no respect for male subs and look at them as quite pathetic, if I've topped them...



 hopefully a little more maturity will get you over that.

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/7/2008 8:04:20 PM   
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A compromising position is like when you want to fuck her doggie style and she's like no let's do it missionary I want something more intimate!  So you compromise and say ok well let's do it in spoon-position that's like the best of both worlds.

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RE: "Compromising" Positions - 10/19/2008 9:48:43 PM   
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Hi, BossyShoeBitch----
I neglected to give due nods and a good hearty giggle for your original post. 
Thanks, all who posted.  I didn't have any question on whether or not the dynamic can be sustained; I've experienced the fact that it can. 
The person who challenged me to post never showed up to say anything on-thread. 
Have a good week, all----
   Davan

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