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Termyn8or -> RE: Beware SSRI's (10/13/2008 1:15:32 PM)
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OK, now that I actually pissed someone off I see the basic is not going to work here thus I have to elaborate.
First, let's define band aid. In the literal sense, a band aid is applied to a flesh wound WHILE IT HEALS to prevent contamination and secondary infection. That assumes the wound will heal. You are not meant to wear a band aid for the rest of your life.
Second, it is well known that the brain can affect the body's chemistry via hormonal changes and so forth. It is also known that one's thoughts and feelings can affect that process. Does anyone care to debate that ?
Further would someone like to offer up some proof that the brain is not part of the body ? I realize that some people don't make it so obvious, but of course the brain can affect the brain. Debate that.
Perhaps I maligned the actual band aid with my statement. I generally don't use them, but sometimes they are simply quite necessary because of the severity of the wound. However they are still not meant to be worn forever.
Now if a drug, say an SSRI can induce a state of peace of mind where chaos could not be contained by normal means, I think it an effective tool. Thinking of it as a semi-hypnotic state I can see the usefulness. But then all they can really do is calm one down, for now. When it wears off all of the same problems are there.
In fact the problems are always there, the difference is that you are stoned.
My Mother told me about drinking and drugs, that is what she said, that it can be a nice escape, but all the problems you had before are still there. And I have found that statement to be double edged over the years. While she did say "Dope's for dopes" and things like that, I really had alot of freedom,and it turned out she was right. Funny how as I aged she got so much smarter. Then I discovered the other sharp edge to that saying, and that is while you are on your little vacation from life, YOU are doing nothing to solve these problems.
So if someone is really distraught, to the point of having trouble talking to a therapist (a real one if you find one) then SSRIs might be an answer. Use them to get to the core of the problem. Then take the band aid off once the wound is healed. What they are doing now is prescribing them, for life ? That is ridiculous.
Let's say I walk into a the rapists office and said I was depressed, Parents, best friend and dog all died in a year. Or in my actual case that I see no hope for the world and we are headed for doom and gloom, which is true. We are going into another dark ages here it seems, at least that is the way I see it.
I have lost more friends and family than most people have had in their life. I deserve to be depressed. I have also lost everything I own twice.
The difference is that I have come to grips with it so to speak. This is a form of disassociation similar to that produced by SSRIs, but it is pretty much permanant.
This is a skill that your mind learns, and it must learn it if you seek knowledge. When you see Man's inhumanity to Man across the globe, you need to step back to save your own sanity. That is a skill, and it needs to be learned.
Now if the SSRI is administered and extreme psychotherapy commences it would help, but that is not necessarily the way they do it.
I am similarly against ritalin. All kink aside, and I mean that, I am more for tying them to the chair rather than giving them a pill. FORCE the mind that caused the problem to fix the problem.
These are mind altering drugs, and not very dissimilar to those that are illegal. Your whole family, pet and a few best friends just died but you don't care. No thank you. I could never drink and smoke enough to stop caring and I wouldn't want to. But the thing is I have learned to live with life, and that is EXACTLY what depressed people have to do.
Ignorance is bliss, and SSRIs are canned ignorance, but only a specific kind. Yes they can be useful, but it seems Orwell was right. Are your's red or blue ? They just expect you to take them forever.
Something like this should be under a different category, managed disconituance should be the goal, period. It's like when you go into surgery, they give you all kinds of drugs, who knows what half of them do. Maybe clotting agents, or blood thinners, whichever the surgery requires. Once the surgery is complete they are generally discontinued afterward, or the next day or so. Such drugs affect you heart and who knows, liver, what ? As such a competent professional wants your body to return to normal, or as normal as possible.
Why should the brain be treated any differently ? I think the brain is pretty important and I really don't like the idea of tampering with it too much. However, to do heart surgery they have to stop the heart from beating. Similarly, perhaps the brain needs to stop, or at least slow down at times so repairs can be made.
That is how those drugs should be used. The way they use them now is like contaminating an open flesh wound with mercury so it will never heal and telling the patient he has to wear a band aid there for the rest of his life.
Does that sound logical to you ?
Sorry to those I may have pissed off, but is it you or the SSRIs talking ?
Actually I have tried to be polite, I don't want to piss anybody off, but dammit, I think I am right and I think people need to know it. What I have said here is my opinion. And in closing, the Columbine shooters were on SSRIs, as were quite a few others who went "postal" so to speak. What does that tell you ?
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