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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

I call it nonsense because no one ever backs anything up. And I looked in the mirror a while ago and thought, "What a handsome bastard you are!"
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

rex,

You ran after me for responding to a silly post--a post you clearly haven't read. Instead, you've been jumping down my throat about a topic we weren't even discussing, and aren't now. Let's review.

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch

The artificial 90s boom (not to mention the 9/11 damage) was unwound by 2005 or so (way before i had any hope for).

Of course, government had to come along and mandate mortgages to those who couldn't pay. The idiots that signed those loans are now in foreclosure and whining about predatory lending. Initially, these programs had the effect of radically appreciating housing values, so as this bubble unwinds its going to catch responsible owners also. Ie. Those that lose jobs won't be able to sell their houses as they owe more than it's now worth.

Of course, i'm a total asshat that put 20% down and added another 10% to my equity in the form of remodeling. My place 3 years later is now worth about what I owe on it. My 30% percent equity is vaporized. If I was irresponsible I could of got a zero down loan and stuck the bank with the whole damn thing. The government isn't subsidizing banks in order to reduce my interest rate or principal. The more irresponsible you are in this country the more you get to pick the taxpayers pocket.

The current situation is a liberal politician's wet dream. The credit tightening that has to happen to unwind this housing bubble can cause a depression. Of course the last time we had a depression 99 percent of the population was law abiding and didn't believe anyone owed them anything. If we have depression now, there will be wide spread rioting, stealing and all kind of mayhem (after all, rich people suck and deserve to be stolen from). At least in urban areas they'll be a popular call for military presence.

If this bail out fails we're looking at martial law. Good luck getting rid of it with a marxist like obama in power. Liberty will be lost in this nation and most of the population will be cheering when it happens. (Which is always the case when a country loses liberty from internal forces).

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Yet we have a Republican president pushing these policies through. Has Bush become one of your fantasy liberal politicians having a wet dream? And before you tell me about the Democrats in Congress, Bush could simply have vetoed all this. Instead, he proposed it---and keeps going further, now nationalizing commercial banks as well as investment banks. This is absolutely socialist, marxism if you like, coming from the current President in power.

You also predict "liberty will be lost in this nation" while the current administration and the then Republican Congress took away a host of rights under the Patriot Act.

you chimed in:

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Both parties are involved. Now please go ahead and spew partisan nonsense and I'll drink some more coffee.

I call it nonsense because no one ever backs anything up. And I looked in the mirror a while ago and thought, "What a handsome bastard you are!"
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I rolled my eyes:

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If you need me to back up that the current president is a Republican, and that Republicans controlled Congress during his administration until Jan. 2007, then this is indeed a pointless conversation.

And your take:

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Seriously, whats your problem? I can voice whatever damn opinion I want, even if you disagree because it doesnt fit your view. Oh wait, I am not talking about what you were. I never started an argument, I stated my opinion. And yes I am bitching about partisanism. Its pointless though, because everyone is stuck in their own little mindsets.

The problem is that yes, you "can voice whatever damn opinion" you want, but as you're going on the attack and not addressing the actual issues on the table, but rather just swinging in random directions, and in a partisan manner at that, makes your claims, especially "everyone is stuck in their own little mindsets," look silly.

Just saying. This is a non-conversation.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Seriously, I can't see qwertyui walking into a polling place and casting a vote.

I'm voting by mail.
 
Kirata Qwertyui
 
 

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ORIGINAL: TheUtopian

No trouble partner.....I'm just having some fun with someone who loves do deal/play with semantics.

Tell me brother.....when you take a lady out, do you play those semantics games with her /them? And do they then get turned off and slap you in that big ugly forehead of yours only for you never to hear from them again?!?


I'm curious....




- R

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ORIGINAL: corysub

  
Why should anyone dispair?  Just because someone no one knows other than he is articulte, is ahead in the polls
is no reason to assume the embryo position.  I will dispair on November 4th should such an inexprienced and socialist/liberal person be put in a position of power...a person whose philosophy of government is 180 degrees opposite the founding principles of our country, and mine.  Been here  before andt we survived.  Interesting time, eh!

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

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ORIGINAL: groundhogphil

Ok so since 2007 Democrats are in control, So what have they done? What big change have they accomplished? and how with a Democrat President will it change things? Hell its just one person. Just what is this change that we are being told about?

hi groundhogphil,
i think the CHANGE they are speaking of is "Spread the Wealth"  in other words if you work hard to earn your salary, you have to share it with others that don't want to work hard.......LOL!

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

i believe most people in this country wants the basic freedoms.  freedom from being taxed, freedom to practice our religion even if it is a belief in God/The Son & the Holy Ghost, freedom to start our own business and freedom to work hard and reap success from it.

once we loose those freedoms, this country has turned 180!  trust in our government and politicians has been long gone.  regaining it is a mute point for either party.  they have no desire to carry out the wishes of the american voter.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

i believe most people in this country wants the basic freedoms.  freedom from being taxed, freedom to practice our religion even if it is a belief in God/The Son & the Holy Ghost, freedom to start our own business and freedom to work hard and reap success from it.

once we loose those freedoms, this country has turned 180!  trust in our government and politicians has been long gone.  regaining it is a mute point for either party.  they have no desire to carry out the wishes of the american voter.

Freedom from being taxed,when did we ever have that...how do you suggest we pay for the National Defence amongst other things.

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The new plan, President Bush declared, is "not intended to take over the free market but to preserve it."

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"Government owning a stake in any private U.S. company is objectionable to most Americans -- me included," Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in announcing the initiative. "Yet the alternative of leaving businesses and consumers without access to financing is totally unacceptable."

Whether the $250 billion will be sufficient to encourage banks to lend again is hard to tell, said Anil Kashyap, professor of economics and finance at the University of Chicago's Graduate School of Business. The Treasury Department arrived at the $250 billion figure after consulting with banking regulators.

"This plan will work if we wind up with everybody pretty well capitalized," Kashyap said. "But if it doesn't reach that point, we'll be back in soup down the road."

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"The government's role will be limited and temporary," Bush pledged. "These measures are not intended to take over the free market but to preserve it."

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And we're back to square one.

Bush's administration asked for, pushed for, and has nationalized investment banking and now commercial banking.

Those would be Republicans, no? That's socialism, no?

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch


Of course, government had to come along and mandate mortgages to those who couldn't pay. The idiots that signed those loans are now in foreclosure and whining about predatory lending. Initially, these programs had the effect of radically appreciating housing values, so as this bubble unwinds its going to catch responsible owners also.

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

i believe most people in this country wants the basic freedoms.  freedom from being taxed, freedom to practice our religion even if it is a belief in God/The Son & the Holy Ghost, freedom to start our own business and freedom to work hard and reap success from it.

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ORIGINAL: groundhogphil

And what year did the Bush Admistration push to nationalize Investment Banking, And now Comercial Banking. Hmmmm me thinks the Democrats are in control so wouldn't they have to approve this?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: groundhogphil

And what year did the Bush Admistration push to nationalize Investment Banking, And now Comercial Banking. Hmmmm me thinks the Democrats are in control so wouldn't they have to approve this?

Point is, both parties and in fact all of Europe too are headed in the same direction on this.

Label it if you wish, but it's not a partisan issue.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Because the world is more complex than a single issue.