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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 2:23:55 AM   
Subductrssss


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To give you some perspective I'll give you one example of my "adventures".

I met a man on aol, we talked for weeks on line, then months on the phone.  He was local to where I lived at the time so we set a date to meet.  Public, coffee house and then a movie, the chemistry was there and attraction and all through the coffee and movie we both felt these things and I don't normally do anything on a first meet.  I drove home and he followed me.

Now he told me he was divorced and His son lived with him (18 year old son).  He did not have a home phone but did have a cell phone (plausible, lots of people do that now days, I even do it now).  BUT I could contact Him at work at anytime and call His cell phone any time of day or night.  He spent nights at my house, I mean like 3-4 nights in a row.  Months went by and He collared me.  We went out together in public all the time, movies, walks on the beach, clubs, dancing, restaurants.  All in the same area of town where He and I both lived.

He had to go to a convention in Georgia and took me along, His company paid for His ticket and the hotel room, He said He paid for my ticket.  At the airport one of His co-workers was in line behind us.  My Dom acted a bit uncomfortable and said He really didn't want the guy to know I was with Him as He wasn't sure what His company would say about it.  I said okay and hung back while He and the guy talked and boarded the plan, we had seats together, my Dom and I and before we landed He told me to go to the baggage area, get my bags and wait till He called me from the hotel to get a cab which He gave me money for to come to the hotel.

I did so and He did so, I got to the hotel and went up the room.  For five days I watched T.V, read, and went out on long walks by myself while He attended meetings.  At night it was wonderful with being with Him and our play and love making.

On the flight back no co-worker so no shady stuff.  He spent the night at my house and went home the next morning.  That coming weekend I was moving to a new place and He was coming to help me move.  He never showed.  I hired on the spur of the moment a few neighborhood guys to help me and moved on my own, he never once answered His phone that whole day.

The next day I called His phone and a woman answered, she asked me was I Marsha and I said Yes, she said "May my husband and I come talk to you?" I was blown away and said yes.  They came over and he sat in one chair, her on another and me on the couch by myself.

She MADE him tell me he did not love me and loved her, she MADE him tell me that it had all been a game on His side and it was over.  She told me they had been married for 20 years and she did not intend to give him up over some perverted woman.

I took the humiliation and when they left I collapsed.  For two weeks I could not eat or drink or sleep.  My friend at the time came to my house and literally slapped me to my senses. 

There were no clues other than I was never brought to his house but I should have heeded that clue.

If you feel something is not right, listen to that feeling.

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The reality of the other person lies not in what he reveals to you but in what he cannot reveal to you. Therefore, if you would understand him, listen not to what he says but rather to what he does not say.
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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 4:38:11 AM   
spankablemilf


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Now the person below (I'm so sorry that this happened to you) has something to cry about.  This OP is a joke, I just don't get the whole thing. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: Subductrssss

To give you some perspective I'll give you one example of my "adventures".

I met a man on aol, we talked for weeks on line, then months on the phone.  He was local to where I lived at the time so we set a date to meet.  Public, coffee house and then a movie, the chemistry was there and attraction and all through the coffee and movie we both felt these things and I don't normally do anything on a first meet.  I drove home and he followed me.

Now he told me he was divorced and His son lived with him (18 year old son).  He did not have a home phone but did have a cell phone (plausible, lots of people do that now days, I even do it now).  BUT I could contact Him at work at anytime and call His cell phone any time of day or night.  He spent nights at my house, I mean like 3-4 nights in a row.  Months went by and He collared me.  We went out together in public all the time, movies, walks on the beach, clubs, dancing, restaurants.  All in the same area of town where He and I both lived.

He had to go to a convention in Georgia and took me along, His company paid for His ticket and the hotel room, He said He paid for my ticket.  At the airport one of His co-workers was in line behind us.  My Dom acted a bit uncomfortable and said He really didn't want the guy to know I was with Him as He wasn't sure what His company would say about it.  I said okay and hung back while He and the guy talked and boarded the plan, we had seats together, my Dom and I and before we landed He told me to go to the baggage area, get my bags and wait till He called me from the hotel to get a cab which He gave me money for to come to the hotel.

I did so and He did so, I got to the hotel and went up the room.  For five days I watched T.V, read, and went out on long walks by myself while He attended meetings.  At night it was wonderful with being with Him and our play and love making.

On the flight back no co-worker so no shady stuff.  He spent the night at my house and went home the next morning.  That coming weekend I was moving to a new place and He was coming to help me move.  He never showed.  I hired on the spur of the moment a few neighborhood guys to help me and moved on my own, he never once answered His phone that whole day.

The next day I called His phone and a woman answered, she asked me was I Marsha and I said Yes, she said "May my husband and I come talk to you?" I was blown away and said yes.  They came over and he sat in one chair, her on another and me on the couch by myself.

She MADE him tell me he did not love me and loved her, she MADE him tell me that it had all been a game on His side and it was over.  She told me they had been married for 20 years and she did not intend to give him up over some perverted woman.

I took the humiliation and when they left I collapsed.  For two weeks I could not eat or drink or sleep.  My friend at the time came to my house and literally slapped me to my senses. 

There were no clues other than I was never brought to his house but I should have heeded that clue.

If you feel something is not right, listen to that feeling.

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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 7:35:33 AM   
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I feel badly for his wife.

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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 8:16:42 AM   
Subductrssss


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quote:

ORIGINAL: wichchilde

If this was your Dom/Master what would you do?

~Comes home, talks to you online and then barely talks to you the rest of the night.
~Hasn''t called in a month.
~Claims that calls to your cell aren't going through when he tries to call.
~Claims he is not getting your texts and when you panic he goes off on you.
~Gets upset when he asks you to do something and you can't at that point in time.
~Tells you first that he plans on collaring you, but when and where is up to him, and then tells you that if someone else shows interest, not to say no because of him.
~Tells you that you can only call him Master when you used to call him things like Sir and other pet names and he said it was okay because they all ment the same thing no matter what was said.
~Tells you you can text him at work and then down the line asks you not too because you make him feel guilty that he is working and you are not.




To me and this is only my opinion, wichchilde is in a relationship (online or not it can be a relationship if one or the other or both has feelings or has taken on the responsibility of such) in which there is a lack of communication and she is feeling frustrated and hurt.  She is having mixed feelings and asking for advice in a round about way in saying "What would you do?"

1. Comes home, talks to you online then barely talks to you the rest of the night.
(I am assuming you mean he goes to his house after work, comes on line, talks to you for a little bit then stays online but more or less ignores you? Is that right? If so then you need to tell him you need more communication and feel that for him to ignore you when he is online is hurting your feelings.  If this is not the case and he comes on line, talks to you, then goes offline.  Well, people do have lives, perhaps he works hard and has to go to work early and goes to bed early? Perhaps he has other things that need his attention (Single dad with kids, animals, friends coming over, etc)  Answer:  COMMUNICATION ~ ask him why he ignores you if he is online and ask if he has RT things going on that keep your online talking to a minimum.

2. Hasn't called in a month.
(How do you communicate? Online only? Was he calling before)
Answer: COMMUNICATION ~ ask him why he doesn't call anymre.

3. Claims that calls to your cell are not getting through.
(Do you get other phone calls? Has your cell phone been turned off at anytime? If so there's your answer either way, if you get other calls then obviously his should come through as well, if your cell phone was turned off either by you or your carrier, maybe he really could not get through) Either way.  Answer: COMMUNICATION. 

4. Claims he is not getting your text and when you panic he goes off on you.
(Possible but again is his carrier having  problems, does he get other text messages? And why does he go off on you? Are your crying and yelling and making him feel on the defensive?)
Answer ~ COMMUNICATION

5. Gets upset when he asks you to do something and you can't at that point in time.
(What does he ask you to do and is it something so serious that he expects you to do it and it's a reasonable request and why can't you do it at that time?)
Answer - COMMUNICATION

6. Tells you first that he plans on collaring you, but when and where is up to him, and then tells you that if someone else shows interest, not to say no because of him.
(He's telling you to earn his collar and don't put all your eggs in one basket, but I could be wrong, again ask him).
Answer ~ COMMUNICATION 

7. Tells you that you can only call him Master when you used to call him things like Sir and other pet names and he said it was okay because they all ment the same thing no matter what was said. (He is either training you in his own way or he has been talking to others and decided "Master" is the only acceptable thing to call him based on their conversations and their influence and his own thoughts on the matter) Again ask him what changed?
Answer ~ COMMUNICATION

8. Tells you you can text him at work and then down the line asks you not too because you make him feel guilty that he is working and you are not.
(Ask him how it makes him feel guilty and what else you might substitute for the texting to give you that feeling of being able to contact him)
Answer ~ COMMUNICATION

My personal answer would be that he was giving me all the signs his interest had waned and therefore communication was dropping, no communication equals no relationship equals time to move on.

Your answer is what you decide you can and will settle for and want.

Good luck and COMMUNICATE ~ with him as he is the only one who can answer your questions on why, as only you can answer your question on what to do.








< Message edited by Subductrssss -- 10/17/2008 8:26:18 AM >


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The reality of the other person lies not in what he reveals to you but in what he cannot reveal to you. Therefore, if you would understand him, listen not to what he says but rather to what he does not say.
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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 8:19:11 AM   
Subductrssss


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Thanks spankablemilf, but karma caught up with him, he lost his job because he did not pay for the plane ticket for me but put it on the company credit card and his wife did end up leaving him because he cheated on her again not two months later (yes she called and told me) I learned a lesson I hope not to repeat although I have more lessons to learn it seems (wry grin) and I hope he did also.

KatyLied, I felt sorry for her also as I have always made it a practice to never become involve with married or otherwise in a relationship men as I was not put on this earth to hurt anyone but at the time I could not see past my pain to hers, she actually wanted to be friends after they broke up but I couldn't do it, she clung to her pain and I had moved on.

< Message edited by Subductrssss -- 10/17/2008 8:22:27 AM >


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The reality of the other person lies not in what he reveals to you but in what he cannot reveal to you. Therefore, if you would understand him, listen not to what he says but rather to what he does not say.
Kahlil Gibran

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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 8:35:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Subductrssss
... I have always made it a practice to never become involve with married or otherwise in a relationship men ...


Just a note to point out that there are married men who are in this lifestyle with their wives knowledge and consent and it can be a beautiful thing.  Granted, there are always risks and evaluation and confirmation is necessary -  it is advisable to stay away from anyone who looks like they are sneaking for sure.

I view this as a bit of a baby with the bath POV.  You are certainly welcome to it as you have paid a high price, but I hope that if you ever encounter in a positive way, someone who is attached or married and is honest about it, you will reconsider this position.  It can work and be beautiful. 


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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 9:02:18 AM   
Subductrssss


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I can see Your point of view OttersSwim and I make no judgements on O/others. It simply is not in my nature to be a "third" spoke in a wheel and while I have seen couples make this work, more often than not I have seen and been part of the wife being hurt and the other woman while the man lied and cheated (as per above) or been part of a threesome where the woman felt more than the man and I am the one who ended up comforting her and talking her down from a panic attack that set in when she realized she could not handle him being with someone else.

Thank You for Your reply and although I don't think that I will ever be comfortable with someone who is in a relationship already who knows but then well You know my life situation (soft smiles) and there is a "time limit" ticking (And I still promise that if someone screws up and I go to heaven I am kicking Eve's butt all over heaven for the "monthly thing" (he he he)


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Subductrssss

The reality of the other person lies not in what he reveals to you but in what he cannot reveal to you. Therefore, if you would understand him, listen not to what he says but rather to what he does not say.
Kahlil Gibran

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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 9:20:09 AM   
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I did not know of your situation, but from your profile I do now.  That is a hard burden to take with you, and I hope you do find him. 

I do not know of what type of cancer you have, but I will urge you to not give up and loose hope.  My brother was diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer - inoperable tumors in both lungs.  It had metastasized into his lymph nodes.  He was an alcoholic and a drug addict at the time.  They gave him a year and a half to live tops.  That was eight years ago now.  Today, he is drug and alcohol...and cancer...free.  He runs marathons with his scarred lungs and takes the AA program to prisoners in the state and federal penitentiaries.  It is a miracle in every sense, and I hope for the same for you.  Don't loose hope and fight it all the way...

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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 10:50:29 AM   
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My thoughts.
The sky is blue

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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 11:33:46 AM   
allthatjaz


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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:


An on-line relationship can be thought of as a "relationship lite".


I consider it a pen-pal type of relationship.



I have never had an online relationship or would want to but I can understand why onliners get so involved and sometimes that is the only involvement they can allow themselves.

The written and spoken word is incredibly powerful and if things are said that pull those right triggers, then a submissive could fall hook line and sinker. I just wonder what the dominant onliner gets out of it? to never see her eyes as she falls under his spell and to never feel her heart beating that bit faster.

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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/17/2008 11:41:36 AM   
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I'd say he is an ass and he needs to be dismissed  :)  Some men are just JERKS!  Life is too short to worry about the ones that no one should have to deal with.

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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/22/2008 11:03:18 AM   
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I would show him the door :)

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RE: Your Thoughts - 10/22/2008 3:16:31 PM   
akisha


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quote:

ORIGINAL: wichchilde

It started out as having the intent first and then going to real time. We had talked a couple of times about meeting, but there were no promises as when and where would depend on his job. We had talked about making a serious desicion on the relationship after the meeting, but there has been no talk of that since.


To steal the quote of another..
"He's just not that into you"

Personally i'd probably move on. It's obvious from what you have posted that he doesn't care if you find someone else and he's really not that interested in meeting any time soon. If that is the case why would you keep waiting for him to maybe get bored enough with the rest of his life to finally want to meet you?

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