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RE: Colin Powell - 10/20/2008 2:35:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course his endorsment means nothing to anyone who dosen't care for him. At one time though, had he wished to pursue political office I thought he might have been our first African American President.

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/20/2008 2:36:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		is that so...I like to think I follow politics pretty close and I must say this wasn't known by me....BTW as McCain pointed out at the last debate ....he isn't Bush.....and he has been a friend of Powell's for 25 years.

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/20/2008 2:39:11 PM   
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RE: Colin Powell - 10/20/2008 2:39:24 PM   
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RE: Colin Powell - 10/20/2008 2:43:16 PM   
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RE: Colin Powell - 10/20/2008 2:45:10 PM   
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I believe that all Powell was responsible for was investigating a letter that was written claiming that the massacre had taken place. The letter claimed the whole of the Americal Division was routinely committing war crimes. He was not responsible for the total investigation  My Lai....


A lot of the stories online claim that, but a lot of the information was never released.  My father was a Captain in the 1st Calvary Division when that happened, and was not far from there.  I remember him talking about his dislike for Powell during the first Gulf War, and he mentioned this.  According to him, it was well known what happened at My Lai outside of the Americal Division (the Division Calley was in).  Powell was one of the officers investigating atrocity reports within his division, and he claimed they never occurred. 

The letter is just a convenient excuse to deflect criticism over the role he played.  People within that division deserved credit for putting Calley under arrest and stopping the massacre before it got worse.  If it had been up to people like Powell, they never would have been recognized. 

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/20/2008 10:20:10 PM   
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Wow, another reason not to vote for Obama. I mean Powell has about as much credibility as Bush, if you remember he was the pitch man at the UN, and delivered the speech riddled with manufactured lies.

Powell is one of the major reasons we are in Iraq.
Not that you would ever even consider voting for Obama anyway, so this is not to change your mind.   I just felt like replying to this.
I believe that the reason Powel endorsed Obama is precisely because he was a credible gentleman given false/BS info to sell to the UN, and make a case for us to attack a sovereign country without just cause.   I believe he resigned and went into virtual obscurity precisely because he felt betrayed by his party.   M

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/21/2008 1:13:53 AM   
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Wow, another reason not to vote for Obama. I mean Powell has about as much credibility as Bush, if you remember he was the pitch man at the UN, and delivered the speech riddled with manufactured lies.

Powell is one of the major reasons we are in Iraq.
Not that you would ever even consider voting for Obama anyway, so this is not to change your mind.   I just felt like replying to this.
I believe that the reason Powel endorsed Obama is precisely because he was a credible gentleman given false/BS info to sell to the UN, and make a case for us to attack a sovereign country without just cause.   I believe he resigned and went into virtual obscurity precisely because he felt betrayed by his party.   M


So, in your world, the secretary of state, does not have access to information, and Powell, will just blindly believe whatever he is told, like a good school boy. LOL, yeeh, sure.

Why don't you go back and watch his speech again. I'm watching it right now, actually. Filled with lies, sold by him. But whatever, right, if it he helps your candidate win, fuck the fact that he worked to start the war, and is personally responsible for the deaths of 10's of thousands of people. No, that doesn't matter, he was tricked, he was naive, LOL. If you believe that, nothing can take the blinders off.

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/21/2008 1:27:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I believe that when he was given fabricated information, he did not think he had to go personally investigate every aspect.  I agree he is culpable in part, and in fact, never said he was an innocent mouthpiece.  Just as plain old me had enough information to know the endeavor in Iraq would be a disaster, so too should most of the intellectuals in Washington have known.  Alas, that was not my point...
My point was that Powel's credibility only became tainted because he was betrayed by his boss/party.  
As for blinders, I would simply say I prefer mine over yours any day.   M

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/21/2008 1:48:20 AM   
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I believe that when he was given fabricated information, he did not think he had to go personally investigate every aspect.  I agree he is culpable in part, and in fact, never said he was an innocent mouthpiece.  Just as plain old me had enough information to know the endeavor in Iraq would be a disaster, so too should most of the intellectuals in Washington have known.  Alas, that was not my point...
My point was that Powel's credibility only became tainted because he was betrayed by his boss/party.  
As for blinders, I would simply say I prefer mine over yours any day.   M


But you assume he was betrayed, that is your assumption. I'd think a career high ranking government official, that came from a military background, would not be misled so easily, unless he's incompetent.

So, he's either incompetent, or a liar. Either way he's not fit, and he's caused thousand of deaths because he is either unfit to hold such high office, or a liar.

Here are the credentials of this poor naive man according to wikipedia(sure it is correct for this), who was manipulated by the smart cunning president Bush. I mean he just was to new to politics.



65th United States Secretary of State In office
January 20, 2001 – January 26, 2005 President George W. Bush Deputy Richard Armitage Preceded by Madeleine Albright Succeeded by Condoleezza Rice
12th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff In office
October 1, 1989 – September 30, 1993 President George H. W. Bush
Bill Clinton Deputy Robert T. Herres (1989)
David E. Jeremiah (1989-1993) Preceded by William J. Crowe Succeeded by David E. Jeremiah
16th National Security Advisor In office
November 23, 1987 – January 20, 1989 President Ronald Reagan Deputy John Negroponte Preceded by Frank Carlucci Succeeded by Brent Scowcroft

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/21/2008 2:30:32 AM   
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As I have said before, any small business person worth his salt can avoid the 250k tax. It isn't difficult and within the first 3 quarters they know the outcome of the year within a few dollars. I get the biggest kick out of this part of people complaints on the plan. If I can't hide it I will gladly pay that bit more in tax because I will have made so much more than that in actuality. I just love good accountants!

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/21/2008 3:36:35 AM   
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I'll probably the only one that says it, but I don't respect Powell's opinion.  I've never been a Colin Powell worshipper.  I've always been critical of him.  He's an opportunist and he's never stuck his neck out on any issue. 

The guy was one of the main culprits in whitewashing the My Lai Massacre.  It's a plain fact.  He didn't stick his neck out; he just wrote what he was told.  He managed to make it to Brigadier General before he was 40 years old, and that's almost unheard of.  He didn't manage that because of his record.  He didn't have  much combat time in Vietnam, and he wasn't that decorated of a soldier.  He achieved all of that because of affirmative action (by his own admission) and because he never made waves.  He didn't make any waves while he had his other token position in the Bush administration either.  He only decided to endorse Obama a few weeks from the election, now that it's almost a sure thing that Obama will win.  Last year he donated the maximum amount to McCain. 

So I could care less who Colin Powell endorsed.  It doesn't surprise me at all; it doesn't ruffle my feathers in the least.  Fuck him.


You nailed it.  Anyway, I think the people who are going to vote for Obama have made up their minds and very few independents at this point in the cycle are going to pull the lever for him because of Powell's endorsement.  It's going to the hard work to get the story about Obama, his programs, his goals, past the protective media filter that's going to decide the Presidency.  And the polls are beginning to show the trend is moving in a differnet direction.



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RE: Colin Powell - 10/21/2008 4:08:40 AM   
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Ask anyone who owns a small business if they think Obama will be the best thing ever. I am pretty sure they will have a very different view point...They will bear the brunt of the tax increases on the way..


Bullshit. I work for a small business. My boss, the owner of the business, voted for Obama. Yeah, even though he is a rather narrow minded, somewhat racist, small town redneck type of guy. He and I have both done alot of research, we've talked to our accounting firm, we have actually taken the time to RESEARCH the facts instead of basing our decisions on rediculous sound bite journalism and small minded republican attacks. All of that, "ohhh woe is the small business" crap is just that, CRAP.

I will take the words of a prestigious accounting firm that has MY best interests in mind over the republican spin machine any day. And oh yeah, most of the accountants are republicans too. Republicans that are voting for Obama.

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/21/2008 4:19:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's amusing to me to see how the tempers flare up on the right when it comes to fact checking when, after each of the three debates and many of the major speeches of both camps, McCain seems to just make up numbers as he goes arbitrarily.  Sure, I appreciate his war time experiences, and his years of dedication, and had he run vs. Kerry or a lesser opponent than he is, I might even have voted for him (four or eight years ago when he had a soul).  However, turning his entire campaign from issues to whining about town hall meetings and crying that he's being out-fundraised, thus outspent, in combination with his god-awful choice of a running mate entitles him to zero sympathy on my part.  I think, had he appointed Joe the "plumber" (license pending) he'd have a more competent vice than he does currently.  Palin was a publicity stunt, served her purpose in getting some spotlight back on McCain, but has no place in higher office.  I don't want a Pres or VP that's "one-of-the-guys" I'd crack a beer with at home.  I want a rational, intelligent, poised, and articulate leader who focuses on key issues of concern to middle class America.  McCain is not the maverick champion of the middle-class he likes to portray himself as; the Reps in general have been stomping on the middle class for decades, their only defense being their radical christian conservative view on family planning and homophobia.  Show me a gay, black, poor, female, athiest Republican, and I'll show you the exact level of irrationality we're dealing with here.

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/21/2008 8:05:30 PM   
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I haven't heard THIS on Fox News, only on Glenn Beck - and he's on CNN.

Which presidential candidate (who is just like us, by the way) dines on lobster hors d'oeuvres, whole steamed lobsters, and Iranian caviar?

I wonder if Colin Powell will be joining Michelle and Barack in the Waldorf Astoria for some caviar specially imported from Iran in order to celebrate their new allegiance...

Our intelligence units say that Iranians are killing American soldiers in Iraq, by the way. Just a tiny little footnote.



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Every single day you parrot the latest Fox News whine rofl.





Just heard that the paper who wrote this story ,retracted it.

It`s a fake story.

They were never even booked at that hotel,let alone ordering caviar.

What`s that saying,about how a lie travels half-way around the world before the truth puts on it`s shoes?This is an example of that.

Anyway,I heard Murdock is behind the fake story,that meddling foreigner.

The folks who ate it up didn`t even give it a whiff before chowing down and regurgitating it back up and out.

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RE: Colin Powell - 10/21/2008 11:59:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I haven't heard THIS on Fox News, only on Glenn Beck - and he's on CNN.

Which presidential candidate (who is just like us, by the way) dines on lobster hors d'oeuvres, whole steamed lobsters, and Iranian caviar?

I wonder if Colin Powell will be joining Michelle and Barack in the Waldorf Astoria for some caviar specially imported from Iran in order to celebrate their new allegiance...
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Every single day you parrot the latest Fox News whine rofl.
Just heard that the paper who wrote this story ,retracted it.

It`s a fake story.

They were never even booked at that hotel,let alone ordering caviar.

What`s that saying,about how a lie travels half-way around the world before the truth puts on it`s shoes?This is an example of that.

Anyway,I heard Murdock is behind the fake story,that meddling foreigner.
Glen Beck may be on CNN but he may as well be on fix news/network; I can stomach most people at CNN, even Lou.   M 

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