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sailorfrank -> RE: "Old Ways" (10/28/2008 9:01:15 AM)
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Well had to go home to a old site and found something there that may be helpful??
BDSM in North America is derived from gay motorcycle clubs that were around after troops returned from WWII. That's where calling a leather-clad guy "sir" comes from, along with some of the older slave poses, and so on. Because they were organized groups, they had sets of rules (which are uncommon nowadays, since BDSM households, rather than clubs, now predominate), and those rules differed quite a bit from club to club. Some did things like starting off novices as subs, then, after some apprenticeship, letting them try their hand at switching, eventually working their way up to being doms - but others had no such rule. So sweeping generalities don't really apply.
Something else that doesn't apply is any historical basis for hetero BDSM groups that predate the mid 1960s. Out here on the west coast, a computer scientist named Robin Roberts started the Menlo Park School of Bondage in 1967, and all hetero BDSM traditions here derive from that pioneering group. Similar things happened in places like NYC. But if you look for evidence of "Old Guard" BDSM groups prior to the mid 1940s, whether gay or straight, you're not going to find any, just a lot of fancy stories which resemble attempts to derive the Freemasons from the Knights Templar.
Jay Wiseman is the person to look to if you want the complete story. He's researched the field very thoroughly, and is a great guy, if you look over what he's written and have any questions, I'm sure he'd be happy to answer them. This was a reply from another member there...hope it helps some?
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