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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 11:02:58 AM

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You could always take some ecstacy (assuming you have access to illegal substances) and drink ONE drink. (If you have never taken ex before, don't try this) (More then one drink is highly dangerous) This either knocks most people out or makes them blackout, which seems to me like it would still fulfill your fantasy of not being able to remember.

Actually, on second thought, you said you don't do any drugs in your day to day life so I take it back. Maybe not the best idea.

Another thought, why don't you take two tylenol (for possible hangovers) and then drink alcohol until you pass out? As for possible dangers, your master will be there in case you throw up while passed out or something.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 11:43:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: physcsdrk

You could always take some ecstacy (assuming you have access to illegal substances) and drink ONE drink. (If you have never taken ex before, don't try this) (More then one drink is highly dangerous) This either knocks most people out or makes them blackout, which seems to me like it would still fulfill your fantasy of not being able to remember.

Actually, on second thought, you said you don't do any drugs in your day to day life so I take it back. Maybe not the best idea.

Another thought, why don't you take two tylenol (for possible hangovers) and then drink alcohol until you pass out? As for possible dangers, your master will be there in case you throw up while passed out or something.

This is one of the most unintelligent things I have ever heard in my life.

Both ex and Tylenol mixed with alcohol can cause SEVERE liver damage.

That's aside from the fact that for many, enough alcohol to pass out is enough alcohol to cause alcohol poisoning.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 1:13:17 PM

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Actually best advice i've heard was take two tylenol pm's. Took those once and i woke up in the middle of the night having to pee. The WORLD was TILTED sideways. Very strange indeed.

i suggest tylenol PM's. LOL They really do twist your lid. Personally i steer clear of them.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 2:10:24 PM

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I don't think drugs are necessary at all here. In fact, this fantasy could be experienced in a rather safe manner using hypnosis. Foxglove very astutely mentioned delta sleep, which she may know more about than I do, but I do know that in certain sleep conditions, a lot of things are possible.

I would suggest your husband/master learns how to do some basic hypnosis with you. He could then use these techniques to help you enter a relaxed state which will simulate unconciousness if not duplicate it exactly. Just be sure that once you've entered this state, he has a safe way of bring way you out of it. Usually, this is accomplished with a "trigger" such as snapping one's fingers or saying a code word.

Without going into too much detail, it would go something like this.
The hypnotist guides into a relaxed state (a hypnotic "sleep")
He then gives you a few hypnotic suggestions
- To let your body go limp
- To remain in this relaxed, limp state while he has sex with you
- To wake up from this state when you hear a specific command to do so

He may also direct you not to remember any of this after you wake up, which will, in effect, be exactly the same end result as if you had been unconscious on your own. All of this does require a bit of learning, but I think it's probably safer than using prescription drugs, and since you intend to wait until you've had your baby, he has plenty of time to get some books on hypnotism and learn how to do this. In fact, there are probably a lot of self-help materials that use a form of self-hypnosis and since you're a willing participant, these may provide all the tools you need to get yourself into this state.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 4:28:27 PM

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Wow... discussions on illegal drug use - fascinating...

Any drugs - (prescriptions sedatives) will cause newborns harm whilst you are breast feeding. So - don't be irresponsible and non consensual and do it.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 4:30:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: physcsdrk

You could always take some ecstacy (assuming you have access to illegal substances) and drink ONE drink. (If you have never taken ex before, don't try this) (More then one drink is highly dangerous) This either knocks most people out or makes them blackout, which seems to me like it would still fulfill your fantasy of not being able to remember.

Actually, on second thought, you said you don't do any drugs in your day to day life so I take it back. Maybe not the best idea.

Another thought, why don't you take two tylenol (for possible hangovers) and then drink alcohol until you pass out? As for possible dangers, your master will be there in case you throw up while passed out or something.

Have to agree with Abstract here...

This is a totally irresponsible post.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 4:34:22 PM

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that wasn't My point, My point centered around the use of a medication that could lead to a potential overdose or worse---that is where responsibility to one's obligations must at times over ride--there are many ways to skin the cat with out risking permanent irreversible damage---

MHOO314

i do not endorse anyone using a "play technique" that carries the risk of death or brain-death. i do not think anyone's libido is that twisted that only fear of death gets them wet/hard...and if so, they need therapy, not play. And yes, being a mother changes everything; the kid never leaves your mind; your bungee-jumping days are over.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 4:38:29 PM

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Wow... discussions on illegal drug use - fascinating...

Any drugs - (prescriptions sedatives) will cause newborns harm whilst you are breast feeding. So - don't be irresponsible and non consensual and do it.

Peace and Love

darkangel

There is no safe drug (apart from the vitamins your MD has prescribed) that can be taken while pregnant or breast-feeding. i'm sure your MD has stressed this. Taking illegal drugs while pregnant or breast-feeding is so selfish i cannot begin to describe my reaction.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 4:44:47 PM

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Hmmm, not the best advice unless your Daddy is experienced in how he does this but...have you thought of maybe applying some breath play? My late husband would often use this as a means of rendering me unconscious for a time. It has the desired effect...but is also extremely dangerous.

I wouldn't do breath play with someone who wasn't -very- experienced in it, either. It is very easy to make a little mistake or be particularly sensitive to oxygen deprivation to the brain and come away from the occasion being permanently damaged.

If you -have- to do this, I'd strongly suggest that you do it without the drugs and without being unconscious. One option would be for him to "take" you while you are in deep sleep (usually, the hours between 3am and 6am are the hours in which we sleep the most deeply). Most people who are in deep sleep do not hear what goes on around them. It may be possible, too, to augment this "isolation" with a blindfold and ear-plugs put in -before- sleep, which would reduce input to the sleeping brain, strengthening the depth of the sleep.

A little inconvenient for him -- but definitely significantly safer than drugs or breath play.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 6:57:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewingIt may be possible, too, to augment this "isolation" with a blindfold and ear-plugs put in -before- sleep, which would reduce input to the sleeping brain, strengthening the depth of the sleep.

A little inconvenient for him -- but definitely significantly safer than drugs or breath play.

Lady Zephyr

For me it doesn't work- tried it many times with many partners.

The fact is that knock-out play can be done just as reasonably safely as flogging is done, as long as you know what to expect and what you're doing (just like any type of play).

And the fact is for me that my fantasy IS partially dependent on my being completely knocked out, and not knowing any of the goings on at any point.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 7:21:54 PM

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No drug is safe, and no form of truly unconscious play is "as safe as flogging", because the methods that it takes to get unconscious (having the body disconnected from those things that keep it in the living world) are inherently less safe than being fully conscious and aware, PLUS they provide an additional strain on the body, and the state of unconsciousness is inherently a state where, if something -does- happen, there is no response to say "ok, too much.. my body can't take any more of this". There is no failsafe... just for that reason, it is not possible to be "just as safe as flogging" or any other conscious activity, where both parties are awake and aware.

If everyone is aware of the risks (all the risks), doesn't dismiss them as "not going to happen to me", has planned for the "what ifs" if something does happen (like the death of one of the parties because of a miscalculation or a body that couldn't take the stress in the case of breath play) -- then by all means, go for it.

If a less dangerous solution doesn't work for one person, and xhe's willing to take a chance on a dangerous one, and everyone involved knows the risks and is willing to take them, all good for them.

If it is possible to get what you want by a less dangerous route, then isn't it good common sense to look at all the options, though? Especially for a woman who would have just had a baby? At that point, it isn't just about the risks that mom and dad are willing to take, but about what the cost might be to the child, who isn't in a position to agree to anything.

Lady Zephyr

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 7:23:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing
If it is possible to get what you want by a less dangerous route, then isn't it good common sense to look at all the options, though? Especially for a woman who would have just had a baby? At that point, it isn't just about the risks that mom and dad are willing to take, but about what the cost might be to the child, who isn't in a position to agree to anything.

Lady Zephyr

I agree. But I think sky diving is more dangerous than this but I wouldn't tell a parent that they couldnt sky dive because of the risk.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 7:27:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I agree. But I think sky diving is more dangerous than this but I wouldn't tell a parent that they couldnt sky dive because of the risk.

I wouldn't tell someone they couldn't, but I wouldn't advocate it either.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/19/2005 8:17:42 PM

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My Daddy and I want to play out an unconscious rape scenario, and I wanted to know if anyone has experience, and what the safest way to do it is. We've batted around the idea of a chloroform scene, but I can't seem to find any reliable info, and what I have found makes it sound extraordinarily dangerous. I suggested prescription strength sedatives/sleeping pills, but this didn't seem too safe to him. We have a few months to plan this, since I am currently expecting a baby and can't play this one out just yet, but does anyone have any idea how to minimize the risk? I know that risk of OD is inherent in this type of scene, but I'd like to minimize the odds of a shitty headache/nausea/stomach-pumping fiasco, as well as try to live through the experience if possible.

Any input is much appreciated!

I suppose by now that you are sorry you even brought up this post on the board. Some of these posts have indeed been judgemental attack on your particular desire to have a very specific type of experience. Part of the price of doing the experience is dealing with the crap that comes with it, such as what you dealing with on the board. If this crap deters you from holding back, then obviously your not ready for the experience in the first place. However, if this crap causes you to hid and stop discussing this activity that you started and you are still bent on trying the experience... well then you definitely not ready for the experience... for you not willing to do the work or pay the price to learn how to do it with the absolute minimum risk.

I suggest you start in stages... like sensory deprivation as a first step... ear plugs.. blind fold etc... like was suggested in a early post.... maybe even before that... he takes you while your sleeping...yes you will wake, but the shock of being awaken this way can be pleasurable... and maybe you have already did these things and are ready for more. The point is... break down that ultimate experience into stages... don't try to make that olympic jump on the first try. Secondly, make sure you understand the risks that you are dealing with. Not just the physical, but the emotional ones as well. I myself do not have an interest in the unconscious use of girl... but it is indeed interesting *G*... But, I much prefer a screaming slut than one that is unconscious *G*.

Be Risk Aware! and have fun most of all!

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/20/2005 5:12:56 AM

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Im sorry that people have gotten this one wrong, not really read your post, and jumped you for it.

You have received some pretty stupid advice, and some sensible too. Trick is to do what you are attempting here, research it. Do a google on drugs and there usage, dosage etc.

Many of us bdsm'rs love edge play, and although i accept that others may not, i dont try to impress my views upon them and make it compulsory. Why they try to reverse this is beyond me?

And as for the 'your a mother, your bundgy jumping days are over' jesus, if ever i get to believing that crock of shit, someone shoot me! Please. Havent you seen those little harness carry pouches you put newborns in?, absolutely made for bungy jumping if you ask me!

Enjoy the planning and researching your 'rape' whilst you await delivery, anticipation of a fantasy is a huge element of enjoyment i find. The thread mentioned at the early part of this one, is a excellent resource id recommend reading.

And once the baby is born, try this
at week 3, when your so sleep deprived you'd almost kill for 3 hrs solid sleep. Have him wake take you in your hypnogogic state. You wont know if its christmas or tuesday, be completely rag doll like, and it'll hurt like hell. Marvelous!

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/20/2005 7:06:27 AM

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If you are planning on breast feeding most drugs even if they are safe for you may not be safe for the baby.
However if you're not one to take any drugs at all, try taking a couple of gravol. I take lots of cold and cough meds etc. when I'm sick and I know those knock me out really good. I sleep all night when I take gravol when I'm sick of course.
I don't do any drugs at all. Excessive use with drugs can deem harmful to the liver yes, but taking 2 gravol will not cause you to be addicted to it. It's when you take it every night to get to sleep. As well the gravol may get into the breast milk but will be far more safer for the baby then say, Ecstacy or a date rape drug.
I can't truly understand why this is a huge turn on for you, but it's your fantasy and I see no reason to judge you for it. Just because you're becoming a mother doesn't mean your kinky lifestyle or sex life has to end. Anyway good luck and let me know how it goes I'm kind of curious now.
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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/20/2005 10:56:56 AM

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Is this still the unconscious fanasty thread or has it become the "Oh my God, don't take drugs!" thread?

I'm a little disappointed. Myself and maybetwo other people have suggested that what the original poster wants to do is possible without any drugs at all, and most people are still screaming about the dangers of drugs. Well, for what's worth, I agree that drugs are dangerous. They're also unnecessary in this case. I hope the original poster and anyone else who is interested in pursuing a fantasy of this type consider using the suggestions I have offered. I haven't don't "unconscious" but I have acted out many different sexual fantasies with a partner who is an altered state of consciousness brought on safely by use of hypnosis and absolutely no drugs of any kind.

In brief summary, don't do drugs. DO try hypnosis, and enjoy your fantasy! Personally, I prefer my subjects to be a little more lively when I fuck them, but there's nothing wrong with what you want. Go for it, and have fun.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/20/2005 12:11:17 PM

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I rarely do this - but just to clarify.

Taking drugs is totally up to the persons involved. Legal or illegal. My advise was purely based on a prewarning that drugs will effect breastfeeding - a point which had not seemed mentioned by the OP and I wished to mention in case this had not crossed the OPS mind. What others think of her isn't relevant and not anyone elses concern to be blunt.

She had also been given very bad advice on mixing alchol and ecstacy... infact - no real safe advice on taking ecstacy. Now, that I was concerned about. Whether she takes it is her choice - but to see someone giving bad and dangerous advice I do have a right to voice concerns.

I don't see many disagreements on her taking any drugs - the majority are supporting her with mostly solid advice. Are people reading the responses? But thats jmpov.

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/23/2005 8:56:47 PM

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seasons greetings empress chaos
its a creamer but we all want experts in bed

i always wanted chloro but i never found a specialist and frankly brain damage by a wanna be expert is a one way street ....what if you come out permanantly stupid!?...then what?you gonna stay in the closet and laff like a chronic or acute brain disorder laffing you azzz off inappropriately? then die in the final fase of paranoia?its a sad death and nut house treatment can do the same to you ....
no thankyou
so my doms very repspected ideal intimacies thot to prepare me for a rape scene by saying it is going to be very heavy and we will bring smelling salts in case you pass out...just the carrier of smelling salts was a turn on in itself and these cottons you get ;anyplace ;are more available and, you brake them ,if you pass out, and stick it in the nostral ,to stay awake
you know why?
cause to be beaten which is rape....
is very physically exhausting ,so you might need it!
who knew!?
you think oh; i will never pass out ,but you fall asleep, from the beating itself, if you know what i mean,technically that is passing out!
very attractive to some tops, the closer a vicitm is to be unconscious when the final act of taking them sexually is enacted upon
but, you don't notice it much ,until later....
plus, in role play, if someone top plays a teacher ,for instance;you are a naughty delinquent (still the sex-slave,so to speak)you can play rape ,by seduction ,of the top; who would never cross the line ,and its a common scenario of student and teacher in the rape scene to play out if you are both game...acting is involved even if you are totally passive and beaten ;you have to know and act like you know you are being raped cause thats what beating is....
i don't know
i guess you gotta be there kinda thing...
but ,you really want but ,dont really need the chloro ,
unless you have the luck of having an educated speicialist like an anesthisiologist,but,
it has been done safely in certain instances.
ever hear of a "goofball", that's something like an idiot does ,when they have no chloro ,or ropenall ,and you really come out ,possibly, just plain permanantly stupid ,as their victim;goofy forever;and ,it is irreversable and ,you don't wanna do it ,for an impulse one niter, cause: you not ,only remain stupid ....people will say you were stupid!...
and, downs.... if you mix ,with alchohol, or ups; will shut off your abdula oblongata, thats your autonomic respiratory center, that keeps you breathing ;it's the base of the brain organ (with the brain blood barrior)located,at the base of your skull, that is the reason you can't technically hold youre breath, until you turn blue, by your self
; its automatic ,and,not under your conscious control.it forces you to keep breathing,
and it gets mixed up ,not knowing whether youre up ,or down ,and alchhol increases the strenth and potency of any meds, so you die ,of repsiratory arrest; (complete shutdown)which means you're a drug death ,and they slander you even ,in death,so ...
do it the controlled way; it's much much more fun ,and, a lot more ,to talk, about,and you can get raped again and again, if you let them have control and pride in that precise (smelling salt)control ,but ,the first time has to be a sucess....

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RE: Unconscious Fantasy - 12/27/2005 7:14:25 AM

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quote:

Im sorry that people have gotten this one wrong, not really read your post, and jumped you for it.

You have received some pretty stupid advice, and some sensible too. Trick is to do what you are attempting here, research it. Do a google on drugs and there usage, dosage etc.

Many of us bdsm'rs love edge play, and although i accept that others may not, i dont try to impress my views upon them and make it compulsory. Why they try to reverse this is beyond me?

And as for the 'your a mother, your bundgy jumping days are over' jesus, if ever i get to believing that crock of shit, someone shoot me! Please. Havent you seen those little harness carry pouches you put newborns in?, absolutely made for bungy jumping if you ask me!

Enjoy the planning and researching your 'rape' whilst you await delivery, anticipation of a fantasy is a huge element of enjoyment i find. The thread mentioned at the early part of this one, is a excellent resource id recommend reading.

And once the baby is born, try this
at week 3, when your so sleep deprived you'd almost kill for 3 hrs solid sleep. Have him wake take you in your hypnogogic state. You wont know if its christmas or tuesday, be completely rag doll like, and it'll hurt like hell. Marvelous!

AGREED!!!!!! Depending on the baby, maybe even week two! (I know by that time I was desperate to know my stuff still worked! )

Ah, but if you do go thru with it this soon, you could get preggers again! Not likely, but oh boy does it happen!

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