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empresschaos -> Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 2:45:13 PM)
My Daddy and I want to play out an unconscious rape scenario, and I wanted to know if anyone has experience, and what the safest way to do it is. We've batted around the idea of a chloroform scene, but I can't seem to find any reliable info, and what I have found makes it sound extraordinarily dangerous. I suggested prescription strength sedatives/sleeping pills, but this didn't seem too safe to him. We have a few months to plan this, since I am currently expecting a baby and can't play this one out just yet, but does anyone have any idea how to minimize the risk? I know that risk of OD is inherent in this type of scene, but I'd like to minimize the odds of a shitty headache/nausea/stomach-pumping fiasco, as well as try to live through the experience if possible. Any input is much appreciated!

candystripper -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 2:57:08 PM)
Canca ya just "play' rough and leave it at that? Why do ya need drugs? candystripper

MissDiandSirHugh -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 3:07:23 PM)
You have pointed out all the bad things you can on the use of drugs so that alone should make you both consider some other way of doing the scene or even try some other as candystripper has said leave that stuff to those who have to have it for some reason. Remember to that a lot of these drugs can also become addictive to some people and so will become part of every day life if you are one of them (we are not saying you are but just pointing another factor out).

windy135 -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 4:25:38 PM)
Ambien is a sleep aid that might not knock you out but you will def. be out of it. Although it works different for everyone. I took it once and woke up naked next to my gay best friend. We laughed, then there was an odd pause.. and we laughed some more. What I know of Ambien is that it is pretty safe and it not a narcotic.

IrishMist -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 4:30:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: empresschaos My Daddy and I want to play out an unconscious rape scenario, and I wanted to know if anyone has experience, and what the safest way to do it is. We've batted around the idea of a chloroform scene, but I can't seem to find any reliable info, and what I have found makes it sound extraordinarily dangerous. I suggested prescription strength sedatives/sleeping pills, but this didn't seem too safe to him. We have a few months to plan this, since I am currently expecting a baby and can't play this one out just yet, but does anyone have any idea how to minimize the risk? I know that risk of OD is inherent in this type of scene, but I'd like to minimize the odds of a shitty headache/nausea/stomach-pumping fiasco, as well as try to live through the experience if possible. Any input is much appreciated! Hmmm, not the best advice unless your Daddy is experienced in how he does this but...have you thought of maybe applying some breath play? My late husband would often use this as a means of rendering me unconscious for a time. It has the desired effect...but is also extremely dangerous.

Notanaddict -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 4:55:01 PM)
when it comes to illegal drugs u could always try something like ketamine, which is basically used as drug during operations (and can knock out a horse9 but if neither of u have medical experience any drugs to knock u out is not to be toyed with really... i may not have much experience on the bdsm scene, but as a nurse i know a thing and to about how easily drugs can go wrong.. there is no safe way to do it without the right training can i ask why u want to be unconcious? don't u want to participate and/enjoy the scene?

OscarHargraves -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 10:32:48 PM)
You're absolutely right when you say this stuff is dangerous. Why in the world would you even consider it? Anything you do to forcefully inhibit the body's ability to funtion normally is dangerous. I would suggest that you stay up for about 36 hours until you are so tired you can't stand and then take ONE good stiff drink before going to bed. He should be able to do almost anything he wants to you about 30 minutes after you fall asleep. If you wake up you will be so groggy that you won't be able to do much, but please ..... LEAVE THE DRUGS ALONE !!!

foxglove716 -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 11:24:07 PM)
Its nice to hear that your Daddy cares enough about you to not subject you to the dangers of drugs. However I cant see the harm in taking a tylenol pm or two. On top of that, have your daddy wait for about 40 minutes after you fall asleep. This will put you in delta sleep, where the brainwaves are the slowest and leaves you in a coma-like state.

empresschaos -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 11:33:57 PM)
To clarify, I do not drink or do any drugs whatsoever in my daily life, so I do not consider addiction as a main risk in this. Also, I know that it's semi-edgeplay, and is dangerous. Don't we all take some level of risk in our play? I know it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense, but it's a huge (huge!) fantasy for both of us... occasionally he'll "mess with me" in my sleep, and has permission to do things whilst I am sleeping that he does not have permission to do while I am awake. I guess I can't really explain "why" any more than any other fetish. There is something super-hot to me about waking up full of cum and groggy, and knowing you've been used and abused but not knowing any of the details. To the breathplay suggestion, we have tried it, and I am easily rendered unconscious that way, but the risks associated are too difficult to try and gauge, and I was becoming quite the ditz from even the occasional strangle. But yes... it was very lovely while it lasted... :) Thank you for the suggestions so far! I do appreciate the safety concerns of everyone, as well, but I'm just looking for options to investigate right now... I don't plan to pop out of consciousness without being able to expect to come out of it. :)

cravinspankin -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/18/2005 11:38:38 PM)
Is this your fantasy or His? If yours, i'm curious as to how you could enjoy playing out a rape fantasy if you're unconscious through it? If i'm doing a rape fantasy.. i want to "be there," be conscious for it. Otherwise, why bother? And let's say, just for the sake of conversation, that this is to be a kidnap/unconscious/rape fantasy.... you're abducted, made unconscious, taken off somewhere, maybe even brought to consciousness then wake up to find yourself tied to a bed or what have you, and then raped. How does He bring you back to consciousness at the appropriate time? What if you Don't come back to consciousness... what about potential side effects of the drug? bad reactions to it? heart problem you didn't know about?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 5:47:41 AM)
Well your best bet is to either use prescrip drugs that you already take that have that effect on you, or take OTC drugs that already have that effect. Don't go over the dosage recommended. There's a FABULOUS post in the link that goes into a lot of different drugs you can use with good detail. No you certainly aren't the only one with the fantasy and yes it certainly can be done with all the reasonable safety that a flogging can. Chloroform anyone?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 5:49:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cravinspankin If yours, i'm curious as to how you could enjoy playing out a rape fantasy if you're unconscious through it? For me it's because I would wake up knowing I had just been used like a piece of meat. In fact the NOT knowing exactly what was done (or perhaps having it tapes and made to watch it later) would be incredibly hot. quote: How does He bring you back to consciousness at the appropriate time? He doesn't, he could just let you sleep it off. quote: What if you Don't come back to consciousness... what about potential side effects of the drug? bad reactions to it? heart problem you didn't know about? Those are all issues that need to be considered, as they should with any drug a person takes.

MHOO314 -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 6:12:25 AM)
you are about to be a Mother, why would you risk using an unknown medication, seems that priorities for responsibility are a tad skewed--

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 6:17:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 you are about to be a Mother, why would you risk using an unknown medication, seems that priorities for responsibility are a tad skewed-- She DID specifically state in her OP: We have a few months to plan this, since I am currently expecting a baby and can't play this one out just yet

MHOO314 -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 6:19:09 AM)
yes, but when she can, she will indeed be a Mother at that point--hence My point--

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 6:49:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 yes, but when she can, she will indeed be a Mother at that point--hence My point-- So mothers aren't allowed to have and act out kinky fantasies?

MHOO314 -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 6:54:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 yes, but when she can, she will indeed be a Mother at that point--hence My point-- So mothers aren't allowed to have and act out kinky fantasies? that wasn't My point, My point centered around the use of a medication that could lead to a potential overdose or worse---that is where responsibility to one's obligations must at times over ride--there are many ways to skin the cat with out risking permanent irreversible damage---

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 7:11:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 that wasn't My point, My point centered around the use of a medication that could lead to a potential overdose or worse---that is where responsibility to one's obligations must at times over ride--there are many ways to skin the cat with out risking permanent irreversible damage--- I agree. But people go into edge play all the time. Vanilla people/parents do very risky things for fun all the time. I think she's doing the right thing by getting information and taking it seriously rather than just popping a few pills, taking a few shots and running with it.

MHOO314 -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 7:35:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 that wasn't My point, My point centered around the use of a medication that could lead to a potential overdose or worse---that is where responsibility to one's obligations must at times over ride--there are many ways to skin the cat with out risking permanent irreversible damage--- I agree. But people go into edge play all the time. Vanilla people/parents do very risky things for fun all the time. I think she's doing the right thing by getting information and taking it seriously rather than just popping a few pills, taking a few shots and running with it. I completely agree with you in the research she is doing---its the right thing, I just always have to add the parental caution--part of My nature--smiles

Sensualips -> RE: Unconscious Fantasy (12/19/2005 8:11:05 AM)
One way to research this would be to do a search on date rape drugs. Check the site source and you can get pretty accurate information. I am bookmarking that post by boynicholas in the thread LA pointed out as well.

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