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transcending racial prejudice - 11/8/2008 7:15:26 PM

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I know some of you younger folks might not connect with this, but maybe the over 50 crowd can. During the campaigning i heard bits and pieces about President elect Obama's family tree but did not really pay much attention being more interested in what he had to say. This is the 1st time i ever remember a politician lay out a detailed plan of what he planned to do in office. i realize our country's problems are very complicated but at least he had put a lot of thought into a PLAN, Getting back to my main topic...it was not untill election night that i realized that if he won Obama would be our country's 1st black president. I say this because even though i have never considered myself a bigot, i was raised in the deep south and i'm sure my dad and my sunday school teacher are turning over in their graves. i remember the seperate everything, the old black man stepping off the sidewalk to let me pass and never daring to look me in the eye. i was an adult before i understood why none of the blacks in our town....especially the men... ever looked me in the eye. It's hard to push away the teachings of childhood but on election night i feel i truly did and was proud that i had helped to put Mr.Obama in office. To see young black children say "I can be anything I want to be" brought tears to my eyes. Maybe a healing has begun in this country. One that transcends color, or race or religion. Dr.King would have been proud of us.

RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/8/2008 8:05:14 PM

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Here's a cartoon to drive the point home: http://www.gocomics.com/tomtoles/2008/11/06/

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/8/2008 8:39:51 PM

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I was watching Hairspray with my 7yo daughter tonight. There was a scene where a few white kids are invited into a party with black kids. She picked up on it and asked mid-scene 'Mom, is that a black party or something?' and after I explained it a bit (in 7yo terms, how we're all people and made by God and the same inside and how it used to be different), she said "oh, is that why the girl (the white one) said 'I'm happy and scared to be here.'" I was amazed that she was able to pick up on what was going on - I really thought it would go over her head. But now she has a black president as part of her life history - she won't question the impact of that. It simply will *be* and that's a beautiful thing.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 3:31:55 AM

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Still doing it I see. Now I used to be a different kind of racist, a bad one. Now it is different, because I realize the differences between different peoples of the European continent as well, as did my family.

You are being visual in nature, you are using skin color as a criterium, no matter what you do with it. If my sister shows up with a Ukrainiain boyfriend he and I will fight that day, and if he wins I will shoot him. Ukrainians are white skinned by the way.

To the OP specifically, I know exactly what you mean. We grew up in a different age. In our younger years we were on a much higher wrung of the social-economic ladder. It was not all that long before your birth that it became legal to teach Black people to read and write. Not everything we knew then was false, but things have changed. In record time I might add, in fact at this rate White people will be intelectually inferior, on the average, in a much shorter time than most expect. We have had thousands of years, they get two hundred years. At this rate we will be sunk in a few short decades and it will be we who hold the brooms in industry, if there ever is anymore industry.

I was raised with bigotry and prejudice and I came out of it, and if I can do it anyone can. I will further say that those who can't hold their anger should try comparing stories with mine, and yes my witnesses are alive. Shooting up the house with a 12 guage, trying to set it on fire, and now I have a very long fuse. I have learned. I can't really say what exactly I learned nut I don't want any more guilt, and that is paramount. I was bad.

Someday I will pay for what I have done, and I am done doing it, I don't even know if I can pay.

Perhaps White people are now paying for those years of extreme inustice, and my Father saw it. He was down there when they found Emmet Hill, and on the bus he was aghast I am sure, but he shut up. He was in the USAF and basically had nothing to say.

I grew up with this, I understand it and I don't really like it. I am all for racial pride, but personal pride is paramount. If you don't accomplish anything, you have no right to take credit from your race. It is you yourself who generates pride, not the blood in your veins.

So if you want to be a racist, that is totally fine, but if you want pride and respect you have to earn it yourself, if not, your ancestors would have shit on you. Mine would. (I mean on me)

That is the way I was taught. Our clan is better, but it is not because of what my Greatgrandfathers did or my Grandfathers, nor even my Father. It is because of what I did. I was taught that it is my turn. And if I fail, they would not reward me. In fact I did not fail and they still did not reward me, unless you consider the education and all that..

Times really have changed. We may have been different, but I am not seeing personal responsibility taken by the newer generation. I don't see the values that, no matter what we all had at least at some point in time. People want it both ways, they want to live off their heritage yet do whatever they want, such as sipping on gin and juice, smoking endo with their mind on their money and their money on their mind. .....

They can keep this world, beam me up. Yes the racist deal has gotten better, people ar a bit less stupid, but it's just not enough.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 3:32:53 AM

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40 years ago Obama would not have been able to vote in most Southern States.....

People forget just how bad things were with the likes of George Wallace and Lester Maddox et al and they were "in your face racist/segregationists" it

worse because of so many who didn't identify themselves but felt the same way and acted as such in more discreet ways.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 4:18:07 AM

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If only that were true. Even with notable "Black firsts" like the popes, roman emperors, millionaires etc. The problems are still here. The powerful will never educate the powerless to gain the power. Like Malcolm said, "Lincoln was supposed to the solution to the problem and the problem is still here. Kennedy was supposed to be the solution to the problem and the problem is still here." It will still be here long after his term.
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 4:48:37 AM

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well now.

you can thank Rush Limbaugh.

all the folks that voted for Hillary as a manipulation sceem. what that did is give it all front and center, and today we will have Obama, and not Hillary thanks to the right.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 7:21:19 AM

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I know some of you younger folks might not connect with this, but maybe the over 50 crowd can. During the campaigning i heard bits and pieces about President elect Obama's family tree but did not really pay much attention being more interested in what he had to say. This is the 1st time i ever remember a politician lay out a detailed plan of what he planned to do in office. i realize our country's problems are very complicated but at least he had put a lot of thought into a PLAN, Getting back to my main topic...it was not untill election night that i realized that if he won Obama would be our country's 1st black president. I say this because even though i have never considered myself a bigot, i was raised in the deep south and i'm sure my dad and my sunday school teacher are turning over in their graves. i remember the seperate everything, the old black man stepping off the sidewalk to let me pass and never daring to look me in the eye. i was an adult before i understood why none of the blacks in our town....especially the men... ever looked me in the eye. It's hard to push away the teachings of childhood but on election night i feel i truly did and was proud that i had helped to put Mr.Obama in office. To see young black children say "I can be anything I want to be" brought tears to my eyes. Maybe a healing has begun in this country. One that transcends color, or race or religion. Dr.King would have been proud of us.

So, anyone who didn't vote for President-elect Obama is a racist then? Can some of us just disagree with his politics, please? I mean, would that be okay?

Based upon the title of this thread and then, the content of your OP, you certainly make it seem like anyone that didn't vote for President-elect Obama failed to do so because of racial prejudice. If that's your message, here. I call: "Bullshit, Bob!"

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 7:24:40 AM

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Obama didn't run as "the black candidate," and he's not setting out to lead as "the black President."

He'll just be the President.

Leave it at that.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 8:03:56 AM

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quote:

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I know some of you younger folks might not connect with this, but maybe the over 50 crowd can. During the campaigning i heard bits and pieces about President elect Obama's family tree but did not really pay much attention being more interested in what he had to say. This is the 1st time i ever remember a politician lay out a detailed plan of what he planned to do in office. i realize our country's problems are very complicated but at least he had put a lot of thought into a PLAN, Getting back to my main topic...it was not untill election night that i realized that if he won Obama would be our country's 1st black president. I say this because even though i have never considered myself a bigot, i was raised in the deep south and i'm sure my dad and my sunday school teacher are turning over in their graves. i remember the seperate everything, the old black man stepping off the sidewalk to let me pass and never daring to look me in the eye. i was an adult before i understood why none of the blacks in our town....especially the men... ever looked me in the eye. It's hard to push away the teachings of childhood but on election night i feel i truly did and was proud that i had helped to put Mr.Obama in office. To see young black children say "I can be anything I want to be" brought tears to my eyes. Maybe a healing has begun in this country. One that transcends color, or race or religion. Dr.King would have been proud of us.

Same here. I look forward to the day when NOBODY looks at color. It just makes no sense. His liniage held no importance/significance in my decision. He had the platform and the answers I wanted to hear.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 8:15:29 AM

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To the OP specifically, I know exactly what you mean. We grew up in a different age. In our younger years we were on a much higher wrung of the social-economic ladder. It was not all that long before your birth that it became legal to teach Black people to read and write. Not everything we knew then was false, but things have changed. In record time I might add, in fact at this rate White people will be intelectually inferior, on the average, in a much shorter time than most expect. We have had thousands of years, they get two hundred years. At this rate we will be sunk in a few short decades and it will be we who hold the brooms in industry, if there ever is anymore industry.

Historically speaking, i find this quite unsettling.

Obviously, you've never heard of Imhotep(over 2,000 years before Hippocrates, he was the true father of modern medicine), Mansa Mussa, Khufu(2551-2528B.C.), Nefertiti, Timbuktu, King Menes.... the list is long, and covers thousands of years. my point is, it's from a very deeply ingrained false ideaology of Black people to think our history started in the diaspora, or after slavery, or Christian indoctrination. The wealth of history, science, religion,and art of the African continent was long established. Civilization started there...were there no Badarians, there'd be no Egyptions, were there no Egyptian culture, what of the Greeks or Persians? Were there no Greeks, no Romans...and so on, until you have Western society as we have it.

i understand if one isn't familiar with world history than statement like the one i highlighted in red might seem factual. my intent isn't to belittle anyone for what they think or what they don't know. But perhaps to enlighten and encourage people to learn more about what thay might not have known before.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 8:46:43 AM

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I know some of you younger folks might not connect with this, but maybe the over 50 crowd can. During the campaigning i heard bits and pieces about President elect Obama's family tree but did not really pay much attention being more interested in what he had to say. This is the 1st time i ever remember a politician lay out a detailed plan of what he planned to do in office. i realize our country's problems are very complicated but at least he had put a lot of thought into a PLAN, Getting back to my main topic...it was not untill election night that i realized that if he won Obama would be our country's 1st black president. I say this because even though i have never considered myself a bigot, i was raised in the deep south and i'm sure my dad and my sunday school teacher are turning over in their graves. i remember the seperate everything, the old black man stepping off the sidewalk to let me pass and never daring to look me in the eye. i was an adult before i understood why none of the blacks in our town....especially the men... ever looked me in the eye. It's hard to push away the teachings of childhood but on election night i feel i truly did and was proud that i had helped to put Mr.Obama in office. To see young black children say "I can be anything I want to be" brought tears to my eyes. Maybe a healing has begun in this country. One that transcends color, or race or religion. Dr.King would have been proud of us.

So, anyone who didn't vote for President-elect Obama is a racist then? Can some of us just disagree with his politics, please? I mean, would that be okay?

Based upon the title of this thread and then, the content of your OP, you certainly make it seem like anyone that didn't vote for President-elect Obama failed to do so because of racial prejudice. If that's your message, here. I call: "Bullshit, Bob!"

Where, exactly, did the OP make that statement? I've read the post twice and I cannot find one sentence where she stated that, anyone who did not vote for President Elect Obama is a racist.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 9:36:20 AM

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PE Obama is not the first black president! PE Obama is black & white! he is of both races. alot of people forget that.

i hate that a large majority voted for him because they believed he represented their race. he is alot like me, he is mixed race and grew up raised by white grandparents.

i hope he will serve this country as an American citizen and not based on race, religion or gender.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 9:38:53 AM

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Doesn't he call himself black?
Are you the one that determines what he is permitted to call himself now?

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 9:40:30 AM

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i hate that a large majority voted for him because they believed he represented their race.

Election data doesn't support this at all. Quite the opposite, in fact---many of other races who never thought they'd see the day, but voted for Obama.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 9:54:06 AM

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Doesn't he call himself black?
Are you the one that determines what he is permitted to call himself now?

for Christ sake! people speak of racism and how it should not exist, then they put labels on themselves and others. they dangle it and say to the world, "look, we now have a black president!" just like the political party arguement. both the dems & pubs vote most time the same. we are all americans not black, white etc.
since i have such a mixed racial background i consider myself an american, not black or white.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 10:01:16 AM

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i hate that a large majority voted for him because they believed he represented their race.

Election data doesn't support this at all. Quite the opposite, in fact---many of other races who never thought they'd see the day, but voted for Obama.

Oh my ... please don't bring that thing called ... um ... logic, into this conversation!!

No, no ... we cannot have that! *smirks*

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 10:03:11 AM

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i hate that a large majority voted for him because they believed he represented their race.

Election data doesn't support this at all. Quite the opposite, in fact---many of other races who never thought they'd see the day, but voted for Obama.

Oh my ... please don't bring that thing called ... um ... logic, into this conversation!!

No, no ... we cannot have that! *smirks*

Honestly, your take isn't helping things either.

Let the facts speak, let others rant.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 10:06:29 AM

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Doesn't he call himself black?
Are you the one that determines what he is permitted to call himself now?

for Christ sake! people speak of racism and how it should not exist, then they put labels on themselves and others. they dangle it and say to the world, "look, we now have a black president!" just like the political party arguement. both the dems & pubs vote most time the same. we are all americans not black, white etc.
since i have such a mixed racial background i consider myself an american, not black or white.

You are how old, again? 46, I do believe when you were younger the overall consensus in this country was one drop. You would be considered black.

Today it works like this ...

When you are Black and you are a symbol of grand achievement or beauty, you are not really black ie Tiger Woods, Obama, Halle Berry and ect or you are exceptional; an anomaly ... well maybe if we reach back a bit more we'll find some proof that you aren't really %100 African black.

However, the first time you fuck up ... you black again ...

Gary Dourdan.

I'm just speaking truth. Care to do the same?

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/9/2008 10:09:57 AM

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