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HisPrincess05 -> Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 1:23:43 PM)
Below is the journal entry that I wrote today on Livejournal.com- (user name is HisPrincess08) of you would like to read any of my other entries. I'm fairly new to this lifestyle, and I study everyday things that I read and of course my journals are the happenings in my mind. However, I just simply need some feedback on the differences between submissive and slaves. My master says "submissives have choses slaves do not"- that I fit better into the category of Slave. Which to be honest I really dont care which because I do love my Master with my all heart... its a honor to be at his feet worshipping, serving, and being whatever he wishes but I guess I just your definition on what you think the differences are. http://hisprincess2008.livejournal.com/ I've heard this saying all of my life "GET IN WHERE YOU FIT IN"... now that I've finally found my place in life I more happier than I ever thought I could be. Sometimes I think I'm at a plateau in my training with my master that I could be more than I am now. It seems like Master has stopped training me- I mean the things that he use to do to me he doesnt- things that I know he wants to we will when we get back in GA however I miss the training- I am finally learning how to take his cock into my mouth without gagging and puking- and suck it the way he wants- which he said this morning "it actually felt good last night" i was like wow... I even did that with a migraine!!!!! Over the weekend, Master and I had a discussion about the differences between submissive and slave~ He told me that I was his slave. That if I was his sub that he would be nicer to me than he is now~ which broke my heart thinking that I was a mere nothing but less than a doormat to him. It makes me wonder if I hadnt messed up in May would I be more to him than just his slave... I mean I estactic to be with him because I almost lost him due to my stupidity and my lack of obedience to him. I just wish that I knew but I guess I may never know the answer to that question.... I want to be everything he wishes for me to be... I want more than anything for him to be happy. I know that I am everything he wants me to be.... but I want to be more so that he would be even prouder of me as his slave. Maybe I'm more like a slave than a submissive... i mean Master says that fit better into that category (I do seem to think so) however Master is so good to me. At times I think he is really too good to me but I'm a good girl I dont get into trouble and I do as I'm told. I could never tell him NO, I mean that goes against my beliefs as his collared slave. Seeing the way he looks at me now that I'm lighter than i was in september, see he him smile or just simply knowing that he is here for me and that he does care and love me is all I need. Whether or not I will know the answer to the above question is simply neither here nor there because in my heart I know that my place is at his feet worshipping and serving his every need. Being his princess is more than anything I could ever possibly hope for, that means more to me than anything. Sometimes I do wish that master had some sort of collar around my neck- something that I could feel and touch everyday- something that when I looked in the mirror I would see a visual of being his collared slave. He doesnt require that I wear one but secretly I wish he would place something around my neck- (his hands but I cant always wear his hands around my neck) it doesnt have to been something profound as a leather collar it could simply be a small chain with a lock and only he has the key. I wouldnt care it would be something that I would be proud to wear all day everyday. "HE WHO OWNS THE KEY CONTROLS MY MIND, MY BODY, MY HEART, AND MY SOUL... I CALL HIM MASTER!"

KatyLied -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 1:36:55 PM)
This will not end well.

sirsholly -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 1:39:25 PM)
try using the search feature...this topic has been posted quite a few times.

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 1:46:36 PM)
Honey, In the end, you are to him what he (and you) believe you are and -accept- that you are. I'm not even going to go into my usual discussion about my own opinions on whether or not there is even such a thing as 'slavery' in a consensual service situation, because my opinions are really only relevant in my own House... in the end, all that matters is what the two of you believe that you are to him... what your dynamic is comprised of. The one thing that I will say is that there is no general, community-agreed-on intrinsic value difference between a person who is called a 'submissive' and one who is called a 'slave', although in individual dynamics, there may be a valuation or substance difference. That's why it is impossible to get any kind of a valid answer -- the entirety of the community involved in WIITWD (What It Is That We Do) can't agree on the answer to your question, and though they will debate it based on their own experiences, in the end, the only thing that matters is your own perception of your personal experiences and the dynamic in which you choose to exist.

SteelofUtah -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 1:48:15 PM)
One is Spelled S-U-B-M-I-S-S-I-V-E and the Other is Spelled S-L-A-V-E That's all I got this time, As has been said use the Search Feature and Review the MILLION and Six times this discussion has already been had I am sure you will find you answer in one of them. Thanks Steel

daddysliloneds -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 1:52:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HisPrincess05 <snip>... I more happier* than I ever thought I could be...<snip>* that's what counts; not peoples personal definitions of words.

OttersSwim -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 1:57:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah One is Spelled S-U-B-M-I-S-S-I-V-E and the Other is Spelled S-L-A-V-E Steel Well, that and submissives come with 10% more real fruit juice than slaves...just sayin'... [;)]

HisPrincess05 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 2:02:45 PM)
OK OK... thanks for the guidance on the search feature of this site- I'm sorry for asking the same thing that has been asked several times before. I'm fairly new to this site as well so now that i know there is a search feature I will be using it. again... thanks

SteelofUtah -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 2:23:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OttersSwim quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah One is Spelled S-U-B-M-I-S-S-I-V-E and the Other is Spelled S-L-A-V-E Steel Well, that and submissives come with 10% more real fruit juice than slaves...just sayin'... [;)] OH PLEASE ask your Lady to give you a cookie and a pat on the head from me for that one. I will be writing that one on my Trapper Keeper. Loved It! Steel

monywildcat -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 2:25:07 PM)
There it is...there is no way I could ever be a slave, I'm positively sloshing with caffeine at all times. I'm definitely a caffeine-amped subbie!

agirl -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 2:39:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HisPrincess05 It makes me wonder if I hadnt messed up in May would I be more to him than just his slave... I mean I estactic to be with him because I almost lost him due to my stupidity and my lack of obedience to him. I just wish that I knew but I guess I may never know the answer to that question.... I want to be everything he wishes for me to be... I want more than anything for him to be happy. I know that I am everything he wants me to be.... but I want to be more so that he would be even prouder of me as his slave. What do you see as 'more to him than just his slave'? You wrote that you want to be everything he wishes you to be.......and follow that by saying that you ARE everything he wants you to be..... but want to be more......There's something illogical about this that whooshes right over my head. P'raps it's the lack of romance in me. agirl

tazzygirl -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 4:45:34 PM)
princess i read your journal... sure saw alot of " i wants" for a slave. but, hey, if he sees you as such, and you accept what he sees, why look to anyone else? tazzy

antipode -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/13/2008 9:09:24 PM)
quote: which broke my heart thinking that I was a mere nothing but less than a doormat to him. You might want to figure this out beforehand, next time. Better still, make sure your dominant reads the label. Just stay in the dictionary definition, doormats generally don't breathe, even if you command them to.

sunshinemiss -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 12:56:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HisPrincess05 That if I was his sub that he would be nicer to me than he is now~ which broke my heart thinking that I was a mere nothing but less than a doormat to him. It makes me wonder if I hadnt messed up in May would I be more to him than just his slave... Hello HP, wow. that is harsh. "Just his slave" is equivalent to "a mere nothing, but less than a doormat"... And here I thought it meant being a valued, cherished girl. What is going on in your relationship that you have all this angst and ugliness? I wonder if the negatives that you are feeling and expressing are not actually just ideas spinning in your own head. How long are you going to punish yourself for a mistake you made SIX MONTHS AGO!? It seems to me that there is some kind of mixed message here. You are his "princess" and his "slave" at the same time. Anyone ever mention to you that these are basically polar opposites? A princess is pampered, a slave does the pampering in my opinion, don't flame me folks Even if your opinion and definition is different, the mere archetype of the two words creates a disconnect. I gotta stop before I take this all kinds of apart. Something smells a little fishy in Denmark. good luck... sunshine

colouredin -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 1:15:29 AM)
the terms are whatever you want them to be, therefore though people are getting upset if your Master says he would be nicer to you if you were his submissive and you wish he were nicer to you its no wonder you dont like the word slave. However there isnt one definition, i usually refer to myself as a submissive but my current partner likes to use the word slave so thats what i refer to myself as now.It really doesnt matter.

stella41b -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 3:32:41 AM)
Oh dear. I think I'll keep out of this one.

fragilepieces -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 4:27:05 AM)
quote: "submissives have choses slaves do not" Everyone has choices. You choose to stay with him. Edited to add---the journal entry does not denote any sort of happiness. Again--your choice.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 6:09:35 AM)
sunshine, You know you have the right of it. slave girls are very valuable property to good owners. To the OP, You need to sit down with your owner and have this discussion so that it can be straightened out. quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss quote: ORIGINAL: HisPrincess05 That if I was his sub that he would be nicer to me than he is now~ which broke my heart thinking that I was a mere nothing but less than a doormat to him. It makes me wonder if I hadnt messed up in May would I be more to him than just his slave... Hello HP, wow. that is harsh. "Just his slave" is equivalent to "a mere nothing, but less than a doormat"... And here I thought it meant being a valued, cherished girl. What is going on in your relationship that you have all this angst and ugliness? I wonder if the negatives that you are feeling and expressing are not actually just ideas spinning in your own head. How long are you going to punish yourself for a mistake you made SIX MONTHS AGO!? It seems to me that there is some kind of mixed message here. You are his "princess" and his "slave" at the same time. Anyone ever mention to you that these are basically polar opposites? A princess is pampered, a slave does the pampering in my opinion, don't flame me folks Even if your opinion and definition is different, the mere archetype of the two words creates a disconnect. I gotta stop before I take this all kinds of apart. Something smells a little fishy in Denmark. good luck... sunshine

HisPrincess05 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 8:49:26 AM)
Good Morning, after reading these post I must clarify a few things. First and foremost yes I'm still punishing myself for the mistakes that I made 6 months ago. I mean it was a horrible mistake and one that I will not and shall not forget. I mean I almost lost the most important person in my life. With that being said, he has always called me Princess from day one. I ask him if when he have other subs did he have pet names for them as well... he said "yes". He also said that it was his way of showing what he thought of them. I said ok..."you see me as your Princess" he said yes because thats what I want. I know that Princess' are pampered but believe me I'm pampered in his own way. He is also pampered and taken care of, I mean his happiness and well being is most important to me. I didnt mean to open a can of worms.... sometimes i wish i could just delete the post and forget it.

MasterTslave -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 11:34:04 AM)
for us...Master T was my Dom and i his sub before we were married. Right before we got married, Master T had me read some things he had about what a slave was to Him. Master wanted to "own" me in every way when we got married. I agreed and have loved it! I enjoy doing things for Master T 24/7, love that he is always in charge and he treats me like his most prized property. That was what OUR difference between a sub and slave is. Everyone is different.

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