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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

when I read the pdf (and perhaps I misunderstood)...the "normal" porn will not be in danger.

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(whatever severe injury is: it's never been legally defined AFAIK)

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ORIGINAL: delphius1

For those that think the extreme porn law could never be used against more mainsteam law....

Here's a scenario for you. If theres some porn that involves the use of huge toys being forced roughly into a person's anus or vagina, or even a large human penis, tell me that that you'll never ever get 12 people on a jury that think such an act would cause severe injury and is obscene. The onus would be on the defence to argue the points and they would have to provide pretty convincing evidence from expert witnesses to prove that such an act would not cause severe injury (whatever severe injury is: it's never been legally defined AFAIK) and overturn the prejudices of the members of the jury.

You might be pretty confident of winning such a case in a cosmopolitan city, but less confident in a more conservative rural area. If it suited the CPS, then the extreme porn law as it stands is vague enough to be bent to cover other sexually explicit scenarios. For instance the "statanic sluts" that came to prominence recently thanks to Messers Brand and Ross had some gothic pics on their website that could easily be argued would be illegal to own under the new law, the essential items being pretty sexy naked ladies, knives, fatal wounds and lots of blood.

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ORIGINAL: dirtyboykink

at a guess I'd say you'd be 1 in ten million to get a none vanilla jury and even then its how the prosecutor presents the case to them.

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

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ORIGINAL: dirtyboykink

at a guess I'd say you'd be 1 in ten million to get a none vanilla jury and even then its how the prosecutor presents the case to them.

1 in 10 million chance there would be a 'non vanilla' member on the jury? I live in a very small town and i am aware of at least 5 people activly involved in the scene, we aint so rare as we like to make out

You are just as likely to get someone with some kind of kink or fetish as you are a person who is poor at statistics and population per head.

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There is a flaw in your logic here. People like you and I might be on that jury. We are here aren't we? We could be there too. You act like people are completely sheltered. On the whole, people have common sense. Unless you are suggesting that you do not?

the.dark.

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1 in 10 million chance there would be a 'non vanilla' member on the jury? I live in a very small town and i am aware of at least 5 people activly involved in the scene, we aint so rare as we like to make out

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

The law as it is is designed to be vague, just like it has always been, there being open to interpretation by whoever wants to prosecute an offender. The familiar wavy line that leaves artists of all kinds scared of being themselves.

As I see it with this new law, before long, someone wil be 'got', publicised and prosecuted in a hail of media coverage and rabble roused public oppinion as a warning, an example made just to show the law makers have responded to the minority. After that, I expect it will die down and become just another law we are all guilty of breaking like so many other laws we know nothing or very little about, until such a time another example needs to be made.

Why do we elect these fools , they don't act for us, but against?

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Vague laws have but one purpose, the ability to be manipulated in any direction a prosecutor sees fit, the use of anti terror legislation to freeze the assets of Icelandic banks, was an apalling misuse of power, and a warning of how effective vague laws can be.