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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/11/2009 2:18:44 PM

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The reason these laws are made is because people allow them to be made. If we all kicked up a fuss then the politician would think twice, but no, everybody stays silent, doesn't think about it and carries on. At its most basic level, if the laws are passed and never used, why spend all that time and money debating and implementing them? If they're going to be used for a particular purpose, why make the law so vague and then waste money debating the semantics trying to establish case law in court? Its just wasteful of time and money (yours and my money) that could be better spent on other, more important things.

At worst, these laws are so vague they can be used for almost anything: like using anti-terror laws to freeze the assets of Icelandic banks. The same goes for the extreme porn law: its vague enough to be twisted and used against almost any porn, if it was so wished.

Mark.

Whilst I agree with you for the most part, I would like to point out that an awful lot of us did write to the Houses of Parliament against this new law. The result of that is our names have been put up in lights for everyone and anyone to see if they google our email address!!!

It is very easy to bring in a new law but almost impossible to get rid of that law once its put in place. This particular law is foggy for good reason.
All of us against it just need to vote Lib Dems next time round as they are the only group strongly apposed to it.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/15/2009 5:01:12 AM

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Go back and click on the link provided and read the Vehicle Code, everything is defined.

It only gets worse from there! They never define 'operate'.

This law is so vague and overly broad that it might be applied to people who are not even *IN* the car. Someone could have the radio turned on and that could be defined as 'operating' ..... Clearly the ~real~ purpose behind the law is that uptight prudish politicians just hate tale gate parties. The law was intentionally written so vague because they wanted to use it against people outside football games who are BBQing out the back of the vehical and have the radio turned on listining to the game. The law COULD be used againt these people because they are techinaly 'operating' the vehical but are not wearing their seatbelt.

Clearly we are living in a police state when people cant even hold tailgate parties without fear of government oppression.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/15/2009 10:11:12 AM

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Forwarded from the Spanner Trus, with a bit more detail.

I don't think there'll be a big campaign, as Operation Ore, but it may well catch a few raided for other reasons, e.g. malicious tip-off, or paedo-porn.

The main problem is not getting convicted, I don't think that'll happen to many.

The main problems will be the people trying to manage for up to 18 months without their computers, etc., files or books or DVDs, etc.

It is just creating a lot more victimless crimes and blameless criminals for political posturing.

I'd hope this does not affect any of us, but I am broadcasting it, just in case it may.

The Criminal Justice and Immigration Act (CJIA) came into law in May 2008.

This law makes it illegal to possess pornographic images which show an act which threatens a person's life, an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals, an act which involves sexual interference with a human corpse, or a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive).

The law applies to England and Wales (so not Scotland or Northern Ireland).

(But even more draconian laws are planned for Northern Ireland.)

"Pornographic images" includes both still photographs and videos and the acts referred to can be both consensual BDSM and non-consensual violence.

The section of the Act relating to extreme pornography takes effect from 26 January 2009.

You can download a leaflet explaining what the law says and how to protect yourself here.

One of the defences available is that the images depict the consensual activities of the owner of the image. However as many SM activities are currently illegal it is now vitally important that we get as much support as possible to change the law on consent and injuries sustained during sex.

A PDF of the relevant sections of the Act can be found here

A PDF of the Ministry of Justice Information Sheet on this section of the CJIA can be downloaded here.

This sheet contains reference to a recent ruling (R v Porter) concerning what "possession" means in terms of Internet images. For the legally minded a copy of this judgment can be found here.

You should review your porn collection before 26 January 2009 and delete any images which you think might break this law. Please pass this email on to anyone who may be interested or potentially affected by this law.

Here's the links to these important PDFs again

Spanner Trust leaflet explaining what the new law says

Relevant sections of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008

Ministry of Justice Information Sheet

Recent judgment confirming that just viewing images on a web site does not constitute "possession"

Derek Cohen chair, the Spanner Trust

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/26/2009 8:04:27 PM

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This law sounds like it applies mainly to stuff far more "extreme" than anything, say, Kink.com produces. Granted, it won't apply to me anyway, but it doesn't sound as dire as many people are making it out to be.

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at a guess I'd say you'd be 1 in ten million to get a none vanilla jury and even then its how the prosecutor presents the case to them.

Because clearly there are only 5 kinky people in all of the UK. It's a very intimate community.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/26/2009 9:21:26 PM

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LOLOL..How in hell did the Scott's manage to get out of that crap. could it be they actually understand people will be people and not expect their government to decide for them??? Or is this one of the little things to be picked up later..cause I've never seen a Scot give a fig what a lowlander wanted up there!

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/27/2009 6:11:45 AM

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Wow. When I think of perversions, UK pops first to mind, public school boys in master's chamber, homosexual spy scandals, leather boots and pussy whips, spare the rod and spoil the minister. What irony!

I wonder if they'll ban the old classics, Lady Chatterly and The Pearl?

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/27/2009 6:20:06 AM

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Well every govnerment passes law, upon laws upon laws, after a while there blaa blaa blaa, they have no meaning and no one acually understands what they have put through parlement.

It like all the millions of driving laws who actualy obeys the bull shit road laws. Same with sex and porn, it will go under ground and every one incuding the law system will know were to find porn.

It best to understand porn learn and not out cast porn. thanks for my litle coment, spelling might not be at best.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/27/2009 6:20:23 AM

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LOL, dude its about violent images

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/27/2009 8:02:30 AM

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Some locales in the US have chosen to interpret that subjects in photographs and even illustrations must not look under 18, as interpreted by the subjective opinions of jurists.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/27/2009 2:46:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Petruchio

Some locales in the US have chosen to interpret that subjects in photographs and even illustrations must not look under 18, as interpreted by the subjective opinions of jurists.

This again? .... There really should be a BDSM version of snopes.com so that when people people repeat this stuff can be sent to a single source to counter the rumor.

Baring that, however, the next best thing would be to direct you to the wikipedia page on Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition. The provision of having images that LOOK to be of someone underage treated on par with actual real child porn was ruled unconstitutional back in 2002. Six and a half years later and people are still repeating it as if it hadent been ruled unconstitutiona.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/30/2009 3:54:49 AM

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LOLOL..How in hell did the Scott's manage to get out of that crap. could it be they actually understand people will be people and not expect their government to decide for them??? Or is this one of the little things to be picked up later..cause I've never seen a Scot give a fig what a lowlander wanted up there!

Actually Scotland is going through the motions of making this bill law too, but going further than the English version, for instance with the added clause that images that appear to contain "non-consentual, non-violent sex" (i.e. rape) will also be illegal. How you actually Police that is anyone's guess.

The register has the story and further links here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/21/scottish_rude_debate/

I tell ya, the worlds gone mad.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/30/2009 3:58:18 AM

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I tell ya, the worlds gone mad.

Indeed it has. Mind im guessing we think so for differant reasons

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/30/2009 4:13:55 AM

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The government seems to have ageplay images in their sights too. I didn't know about this new proposal, but the Register has the details: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/19/evil_cartoon_badness/

The critical issue is that images depicting anyone/anything that looks like a child but not neccessarily has all the attributes of a child (so as the article says, that can include cartoons, second life avatars or as I suspect even grown women dressed in a child-like manner) engaged in sexual activities will be outlawed.

Well, I did say that once the Violent Porn proposals go through, the moral censors would have a field day outlawing all forms of porn by cherry picking aspects of pornography that most would find offensive (child porn, violent porn, rape, bestiality, etc) to defuse protests against the proposals and using them to establish overly vague laws that outlaw a lot more than they were intended to.

I do hope now that the "vanilla" porn industry starts to wake up and see its not long before they'll be affected by these proposals.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 1/31/2009 12:23:23 PM

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Man, this really sucks. My heart goes out to those of you living in the UK.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 2/1/2009 4:29:26 AM

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LOLOL..How in hell did the Scott's manage to get out of that crap. could it be they actually understand people will be people and not expect their government to decide for them??? Or is this one of the little things to be picked up later..cause I've never seen a Scot give a fig what a lowlander wanted up there!

They haven't, the SNP are proposing something far more draconian

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2009/01/19/shock-of-the-sick-websites-which-seek-to-glorify-rape-86908-21052717/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/4291494/Scots-possessing-extreme-pornography-to-face-jail.html

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 2/6/2009 8:20:57 PM

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So any significant prosecutions so far?

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 2/7/2009 11:26:34 AM

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So any significant prosecutions so far?

Not yet but lots of people are obviously nervous.
The people that will do well out of this are the BDSM computer buffs that can do repairs on someones PC without it having to go into PC World!

All that is going to happen here is that people will go more and more underground.... goes off to bury my Midori books!

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 2/8/2009 2:19:38 AM

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Get a grip on yourselves. The only reason legislation is developed is because the so called "oppressed' were so segregated, self absorbed and up themselves that they forgot about uniting to influence political motivation. BDSM is thousands of years old and has literally built the economies and civilisations we live in now. I hardly think that any government could possibly discount the contribution that BDSM has provided. The simple fact remains if it is illegal then no matter what your argument is you will be ignored. If it is not productive to providing an economic benefit, then you will be laughed at. If you want to whinge and complain as individuals attempting to protect your personal relationships rather than the broader community then you should probably re-evaluate your position.

The issue of internet filtering and security has been going on for at least five years that I know of. Now we are seeing actual legislation that may protect a broader community rather than pander to individual preferences. Sites such as hogtied and waterbondage, while they may seem real and authentic to the inexperienced are in fact, to the experienced "manufactured porn" with paid models. Nothing more. Yet another example of the American way of "free trade" and profiteering, which has literally split and divided the long term and hard core lifestyle. We are all victims of this style of business and we only have ourselves to blame.

We manage to corral ourselves into various "sanctuaries" of tolerance, this is what the government wants us to do. If we are here on CM as concerned and responsible citizens, then the government can go about their business tracking the criminals elsewhere. Sites such as alt and bondage.com are earmarked for extinction, and so to will CM be scrutinised if it already hasn't. Legislation can always be amended or rescinded, but that takes a unified force and clever political manipulation, particularly within the senate.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 2/12/2009 11:38:27 AM

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This could be the beginning of a slippery slope for British pornography law, simply because the term 'extreme' means so many different things to so many different people. I think most people can live without necro-porn, but you have to wonder where lawmakers would want to take things from there.

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RE: Uk Extreme Porn Law comes into force 26th Jan - 2/12/2009 11:42:51 AM

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So any significant prosecutions so far?

Not yet but lots of people are obviously nervous.
The people that will do well out of this are the BDSM computer buffs that can do repairs on someones PC without it having to go into PC World!

That'll be me then. Oh and those of you considering getting rid of an old computer might want to either retain the Hard Drive or make sure its in little bits before you bin it.

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