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windchymes -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 6:05:29 AM)

This thread has been a real eye-opener for me.  I'm really surprised that so many s-types object so strongly to it.  Do we need to look at the D-types who might put way too much emphasis on his sub winning that sack race at whatever cost?  

This sounded like a fun idea to me, but I see now that for most, it would be something traumatic.  Silly me.



Mercnbeth -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 7:31:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes
This sounded like a fun idea to me, but I see now that for most, it would be something traumatic.  Silly me.
Silly us too windchymes!

We've enjoyed watching and participating in competitions. We saw an amazing 'hog-tied slave race'. Weight-lifting, be it with nipples labia, or balls in a parachute harness is something to see. Then there was the sub competition equivalent of going 'shot for shot' where slaves are given clips to put on their own body based upon a 'twister' type spinner determining the location and the strength of the clip. In a mixed gendar competition it proves the theory that woman can take more pain - I've never seen a man win. Hell there are hundreds of fun competition party games. I seen a lot of them, and don't recall any deaths or serious injury even to the participants psyche.

See, I don't believe any one example or one activity defines anyone. The title is "slave Competition"; however from a perspective that some have (at least one) 'slave' already represents 'winning'. It doesn't have a goal of determining who is best - each individual is for his/her Master. But its not right to put this on any esoteric level whether to condemn or condone.

What happened with the concept of FUN?

No Master would put their slave in a position of vulnerability beyond what he/she knows they are capable. If there is humiliation or a pushing of boundaries or limits the competition took us down a new path. The idea of trying something humiliating for the benefit, or even amusement of their Master is appreciated by many identifying themselves as slaves; 'winning' for their Master, a matter of pride. All the better for having the opportunity for broadening the depth and scope of the relationship. Even in failure, much is learned; as long as its not rewarded. There I go with the esoteric again...

It is so simply really - Competition on any level outside 'pro' should be fun. The joy of play is its own reward. The inherent social aspect brought into play by competition provides an opportunity to see people as they are. In the heat of battle, many previously hidden traits become exposed.

But hell, these things can't be talked about they have to be experienced and observed in context. Spontaneity has a lot to do with the focus on fun. It's similar to my experience when there is a thee-some or more-some involved in some form of play or intimacy. Plan it, and its lukewarm at best; let it happen naturally and mountainously and its always hot ranging in color from red to white.

I guess that points to another thing about fun - it can't be forced, and it should never be traumatic. For us, its all about the fun and sometimes that involves us getting silly.

Silly us.
(And Edited after reading Michael)
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Would you compete in a dom competition and if so, what sort of things would you have tested and how would you react if you lost?
Michael, I don't recall ever winning any Dom skills competition I've entered. I may have - I just don't remember. I am sure that I lost any single-tail competition unless it involved self inflicted wounds. My reaction in both instances I'm sure of - I laughed and/or made a joke about myself. To see me having any other reaction would require you visit me at work.

I take any competition seriously and try to win - I just don't take myself all that seriously regarding the competition. Its all about the fun during the experience.



windchymes -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 8:24:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: windchymes
This sounded like a fun idea to me, but I see now that for most, it would be something traumatic.  Silly me.
Silly us too windchymes!


See,No Master would put their slave in a position of vulnerability beyond what he/she knows they are capable. 
 
This is just my point....it's sounding like some masters might.  And from what I'm reading, many of the slaves themselves will see it as a do-or-die situation.  That they'll rip a nipple trying to lift the heaviest weight, and then flagellate themselves out at the wailing wall because, oh me, they have let master down by not winning. 



sunshinemiss -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 8:42:53 AM)

Hey everybody,
You know, I don't mind the competition aspect of things.  I'm not really competitive, and I have a great time celebrating when other folks win or people do their best.  In fact, there is a gathering we are going to in a bit that has a competition set up.  It is fun and silly and amusing and all the girls will be giggling throughout the whole competition... because it's all in fun.  But the idea that feeling bad and poor self esteem is equivalent with MORE SUBMISSIVE... THAT I have a probelm with.

Well wishes,
sunshine



Lynnxz -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 10:10:03 AM)

I foresee a ridiculous amount of drama with this idea. [:D]



MistresseLotus -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 10:35:46 AM)

~FR~

To avoid hurt feelings.. we can always do the "let's give everyone a trophy" scenario.



Icarys -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 10:39:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

I foresee a ridiculous amount of drama with this idea. [:D]

I'd like to use her to water my lawn. Wonder what the neighbors would think of that.



NihilusZero -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 10:53:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

This is just my point....it's sounding like some masters might.  And from what I'm reading, many of the slaves themselves will see it as a do-or-die situation.  That they'll rip a nipple trying to lift the heaviest weight, and then flagellate themselves out at the wailing wall because, oh me, they have let master down by not winning.

That some folks would react that way because they are in emotionally fickle and feeble relationships (with their partners and with themselves) should not taint the acts themselves.

We could take this logic further and even discount board games at home gatherings. And you can forget about playing the Wii with anybody else!



NuevaVida -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 10:58:25 AM)

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Interesting thread and I loved Merc's post. I loved being exploited by my former owner for his amusement. I realize this is not a universal sentiment amongst all submissives. But Merc made a great point, that at least smart masters would not push their slaves beyond their capabilities.

That said, I knew what I was capable of, as did he. And we both knew he was happy with me, capabilities, incapabilities and all. I could see myself laughing and pretend-whining over something like, "Ohhhh gawwwd, you KNOW I can't do nipple weights, pleeeeaseeee" and he'd laugh and I'd blow it and say "Told you so" and we'd laugh again and that would be that.

I don't relate to the stresses expressed in this thread, either, but I do understand the standpoint of wanting to be as pleasing as possible to one's owner, and to want to be the best there is to one's owner. I suppose that's what people are feeling concern about. From one who all too often takes myself too seriously, surprisingly that's not where I'm going with my sentiments here. As LA said, if done right, this could be a hell of a lot of fun.



NihilusZero -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 11:00:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

But it's a tenuous thing that unfortunately the types of doms who enjoy competitions are the LEAST likely to really understand a subs headspace or inter-relations between subs on the damage that can actually cause.

I suspect this has very little to do with subspace at all, but more to do with self-inflicted inferiority complexes and desperation incongruent to reality. Either that or these D-types are being incredibly emotionally negligent of their s-types.

If my sub/slave is having a mental breakdown in her understanding of how she pleases me because she didn't hit a flush on the river while playing Texas Hold'em with me and a group of others (just as an example), then there is something very wrong either with her or me or both of us that needs to get attended to now.



SimplyMichael -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 11:12:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

But it's a tenuous thing that unfortunately the types of doms who enjoy competitions are the LEAST likely to really understand a subs headspace or inter-relations between subs on the damage that can actually cause.

I suspect this has very little to do with subspace at all,
  I think LA would agree with that since she wasn't talking about subspace.

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but more to do with self-inflicted inferiority complexes and desperation incongruent to reality. Either that or these D-types are being incredibly emotionally negligent of their s-types.


And the daily flow threads here clearly shows that most are negligent, or at least incompetent

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If my sub/slave is having a mental breakdown in her understanding of how she pleases me because she didn't hit a flush on the river while playing Texas Hold'em with me and a group of others (just as an example), then there is something very wrong either with her or me or both of us that needs to get attended to now.


Sadly, your attitude is rather uncommon as are the skills to do so, if more felt that way we would have much less heartbreak.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 11:27:08 AM)

"subs headspace" isn't the same as "subspace."  A "subs headspace" is whatever mental perspective a sub happens to be in given a particular set of circumstances.  Subspace is an altered state of consciousness brought about by intense chemical and spiritual surges within the kink dynamic.

Thanks Michael for the additional pointing.



Padriag -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 11:30:49 AM)

FR

I'm coming to this thread a bit late and it seems a LOT has already been said.  Much of which emphasizes to me the wisdom of LA's tagline,"Find stable partners, not a stable of partners."  Honestly folks, if you can't handle some games in fun and for fun... you have issues. 



BitaTruble -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 11:36:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Maybe your Man's unit will do for you.[:D]



It's possible but I think he's more into pole sitting than pole vaulting. [8D]

::skips away twirling::



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 11:41:37 AM)

Aww Padriag, you are awesome :)



donnaamarie -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 11:52:07 AM)

Hello Master1170,

I am late to the game on this one but if you are still reading the post I will make a few suggestions.

My Master organizes many gatherings of like-minded people and he leaves organization of food and games to me.  We have had a few games in the past that have been a great deal of fun.  We have never "competed" so to speak, because, well, I can't imagine why we would.

We have had body painting contests, obviously slaves painting one another, not themselves.  We have had silly slipper contests, we have competed in board games -- but that was Masters vs slaves.  We have had a slave apply henna tattoos to other slaves.  We have clearly all competed in a fun way to see who dressed sexier when it came to "evening activities", and we have just tried our hardest to see who can make the Masters laugh more or find us pleasing.

I am not sure what you were looking for, hope that helps.

donna



Icarys -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 12:01:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Maybe your Man's unit will do for you.[:D]



It's possible but I think he's more into pole sitting than pole vaulting. [8D]

::skips away twirling::

Lol, yes that was what i was inferring. You vaulting, using *His Pole*



AquaticSub -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 12:02:00 PM)

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Having read through, I'm somewhat divided on the issue. I positively detest the idea of encouraging more "subblier than thou" behavior but if the games were truly free of such things I think it would be great fun and I'd enjoy it. I think the games themselves would have to be as far from serious as positive, such as who can bake the best cake using soy sauce, ginger, and cotton candy in 30 minutes with mutiple ways to place.

That said, I do not believe for a second that there aren't masters out there who will put their subs/slaves in serious competitions without realizing that it would be idea - or not caring. And no matter how silly, I do not believe for a second that someone wouldn't use the title to brag, boast and try to put down others. That's simply a human flaw that you see in all groups of people.



NihilusZero -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 5:40:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
I think LA would agree with that since she wasn't talking about subspace.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

"subs headspace" isn't the same as "subspace."  A "subs headspace" is whatever mental perspective a sub happens to be in given a particular set of circumstances.  Subspace is an altered state of consciousness brought about by intense chemical and spiritual surges within the kink dynamic.

Thanks Michael for the additional pointing.

Agreed. I made the mistake of mistyping the term when replying, but my response was geared towards "sub headspace" despite my fingers deciding they didn't want "head".

...that sounded awfully wrong...



DesFIP -> RE: slave Competition (11/29/2008 5:49:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I'd like to ask this: Do the ones that say Nay have the same problem playing against their Master in home games? What about beating Him at a game?


If he wants me to play cards with him, that's totally different then me playing against another sub and me being bad by losing. He has never told me to play to lose, he wants me to do my best.

But if my best isn't good enough, then he gets disappointed. And that tears me to bits.

And I don't play against him if he takes the competition seriously, I lose immediately and make it clear that since he'll be disappointed if he loses, I'm throwing the game. If it matters to him, then it isn't a game to me.



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