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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:06:09 PM

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That's kinda stretching it. I bet there's a good long list of things that everybody could do just don't want to.

But even that is a limitation. You can't make someone like what they do not like, or do what they refuse to do. No matter how much you try to mold them.

John

That goes back to desire as I've stated in one of my previous posts but it still is possible.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:08:28 PM

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Absolutely.

When you're with someone compatable, these things aren't anything like as tricky as they seem on paper.

There are parts of me that M isn't fond of....if they are troublesome and unhelpful to us getting along nicely, then he'll have a chat and lay out the benefits of sorting it out.

On the other hand , there are parts of me that he isn't fond of but knows that to rid me of them would destroy quite a lot of other things that he rather likes.

It's knowing what you've bitten off and liking the overall package.

agirl

Now that I would agree with especially the last line.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:08:30 PM

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That's not true John. Just for the sake of debate name something that one could do and another couldn't. Not that you won't be right about that specific thing but I'm curious as to what you think that might be.

Ok, for example... instruct a slave that she'll have to give up custody of her children because you're going to mold her into someone that is completely focused on you, and the children would be a distraction. Some may be able to do that. Many would not.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:11:37 PM

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That's not true John. Just for the sake of debate name something that one could do and another couldn't. Not that you won't be right about that specific thing but I'm curious as to what you think that might be.

Ok, for example... instruct a slave that she'll have to give up custody of her children because you're going to mold her into someone that is completely focused on you, and the children would be a distraction. Some may be able to do that. Many would not.

John

Ahhh but as unrealistic as You or I would find that(and it's rather appalling to me as well yet I know it's out there.) It is humanly possible to do that.
God forbid it should happen but it is still a possible reality.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:12:42 PM

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That's kinda stretching it. I bet there's a good long list of things that everybody could do just don't want to.

But even that is a limitation. You can't make someone like what they do not like, or do what they refuse to do. No matter how much you try to mold them.

John

That goes back to desire as I've stated in one of my previous posts but it still is possible.

We have a different idea of what is possible and what is not. You're focused upon theory... it is theoretically possible, even though many could not force themselves, or be molded, to do it.

In theory, it's also impossible to cross a room and touch the opposite wall. But thankfully, life isn't lived in theory.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:17:35 PM

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Ahhh but as unrealistic as You or I would find that(and it's rather appalling to me as well yet I know it's out there.) It is humanly possible to do that.
God forbid it should happen but it is still a possible reality.

And here's the crux of the matter. You say that it's possible for someone to do it. But I say it's not possible for everyone to do it just because someone else can. No matter how much molding, poking, prodding, threatening, bribing... no matter what, they cannot make themselves or be made to do it. Period. End of sentence.

And I call that a limitation.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:22:51 PM

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Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible. Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide?

That's a bit of a silly question as half the possible things for one person would be impossible for another.....or might be possible with a certain person being the moulder and perhaps not another person.

agirl

That's kinda stretching it. I bet there's a good long list of things that everybody could do just don't want to.

Yes, there would be and could be.

What would YOUR list comprise of?

Bottom line is ......You can make someone do anything they want to do ......the trick is making them want to. Therin lies the skill.

agirl

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:25:28 PM

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Ahhh but as unrealistic as You or I would find that(and it's rather appalling to me as well yet I know it's out there.) It is humanly possible to do that.
God forbid it should happen but it is still a possible reality.

And here's the crux of the matter. You say that it's possible for someone to do it. But I say it's not possible for everyone to do it just because someone else can. No matter how much molding, poking, prodding, threatening, bribing... no matter what, they cannot make themselves or be made to do it. Period. End of sentence.

And I call that a limitation.

John

I think it's possible for a good bit to do it but as I do find it disgusting..I would never do it. That still doesn't make it impossible. No matter how much we find something distasteful it doesn't change what can happen..I'm not dealing in theory you are.

It's a limitation alright but one we have put there by ourselves..not one that was placed on us without our control...there's a difference

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:27:27 PM

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Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible. Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide?

That's a bit of a silly question as half the possible things for one person would be impossible for another.....or might be possible with a certain person being the moulder and perhaps not another person.

agirl

That's kinda stretching it. I bet there's a good long list of things that everybody could do just don't want to.

Yes, there would be and could be.

What would YOUR list comprise of?

Bottom line is ......You can make someone do anything they want to do ......the trick is making them want to. Therin lies the skill.

agirl

Won't argue there. I'll add though, it's desire of the one being molded as well.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:28:47 PM

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Icarys, let me go back to the comparison of this issue to SSC, because it works very well.

Why isn't there simply a list of SSC activities, and a list of non-SSC activities? It would be so much easier if there were. It's because everyone is differently abled. Just because one person is able to play SSC with 8 ft. bullwhips doesn't mean that everyone is able to do so. No matter how much they study. No matter how long and diligently they practice. Not everyone is able to sufficiently acquire the skill level to safely throw an 8 ft. bullwhip with another (living) body within thirty feet. It just isn't gonna happen.

And the same thing goes with molding. Just because one individual is able to do something, and it is therefore theoretically possible for every individual to do it, does not mean that it's actually possible for them to do it. It's just that simple.

John

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:32:26 PM

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Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible. Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide?

That's a bit of a silly question as half the possible things for one person would be impossible for another.....or might be possible with a certain person being the moulder and perhaps not another person.

agirl

That's kinda stretching it. I bet there's a good long list of things that everybody could do just don't want to.

Yes, there would be and could be.

What would YOUR list comprise of?

Bottom line is ......You can make someone do anything they want to do ......the trick is making them want to. Therin lies the skill.

agirl

Won't argue there. I'll add though, it's desire of the one being molded as well.

Absoutely again.

If you've made me want it, then it's MY desire.

Everyone is a winner.

agirl

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:36:39 PM

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Absoutely again.

If you've made me want it, then it's MY desire.

Everyone is a winner.

agirl

Yes but it doesn't have to start out like that.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:41:11 PM

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Icarys, let me go back to the comparison of this issue to SSC, because it works very well.

Why isn't there simply a list of SSC activities, and a list of non-SSC activities? It would be so much easier if there were. It's because everyone is differently abled. Just because one person is able to play SSC with 8 ft. bullwhips doesn't mean that everyone is able to do so. No matter how much they study. No matter how long and diligently they practice. Not everyone is able to sufficiently acquire the skill level to safely throw an 8 ft. bullwhip with another (living) body within thirty feet. It just isn't gonna happen.

And the same thing goes with molding. Just because one individual is able to do something, and it is therefore theoretically possible for every individual to do it, does not mean that it's actually possible for them to do it. It's just that simple.

John

I never said they would have to do it well but a lot of people can do whatever they want. Limitations for me are physical and traumatic and even the traumatic may be approached depending on what it is.I have my own personal limitations as well but they are of my own making. I don't do them because I don't want to.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:44:09 PM

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Absoutely again.

If you've made me want it, then it's MY desire.

Everyone is a winner.

agirl

Yes but it doesn't have to start out like that.

LOL..I don't think I mentioned any timescale.

If M had the skill to make me want something from the outset ..fair play to that man.

agirl

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:52:02 PM

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Absoutely again.

If you've made me want it, then it's MY desire.

Everyone is a winner.

agirl

Yes but it doesn't have to start out like that.

LOL..I don't think I mentioned any timescale.

If M had the skill to make me want something from the outset ..fair play to that man.

agirl

? I mean you don't have to like it to begin with for it to become a like..and truthfully not everything I like to do, the female will like also. She doesn't have to like everything I do lol. It won't stop me from doing it to her if I want to.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 2:58:55 PM

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Bottom line is. Just about all things are possible. Whether or not you have the will or desire to do them and whether or not it might be better if you try them or not doesn't negate that a human can and has done them. Need I mention will do them again as well?lol

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 3:04:13 PM

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Whether or not you have the will or desire to do them and whether or not it might be better if you try them or not doesn't negate that a human can and has done them.

I know we're just two ships passing in the night on this, but....

Just because one human being can do it does not mean that all human beings can. Could you change your sexual orientation, or live the entirety of the remainder of your life as if you had? I know I couldn't. It's not possible, even if someone else could do it.

To state anything less would be to give credibility to those morons who claim that gays and lesbians can do so, and that acting on being born gay and lesbian is a matter of choice.

John

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 3:05:28 PM

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Absoutely again.

If you've made me want it, then it's MY desire.

Everyone is a winner.

agirl

Yes but it doesn't have to start out like that.

LOL..I don't think I mentioned any timescale.

If M had the skill to make me want something from the outset ..fair play to that man.

agirl

? I mean you don't have to like it to begin with for it to become a like..and truthfully not everything I like to do, the female will like also. She doesn't have to like everything I do lol. It won't stop me from doing it to her if I want to.

I wasn't talking about bdsm activities........but it doesn;t really matter. If you have the skill to make me want it, for WHATEVER reason.

I don't *like* everything done to me , but there is some payoff somewhere.

agirl

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 3:10:23 PM

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Whether or not you have the will or desire to do them and whether or not it might be better if you try them or not doesn't negate that a human can and has done them.

I know we're just two ships passing in the night on this, but....

Just because one human being can do it does not mean that all human beings can. Could you change your sexual orientation, or live the entirety of the remainder of your life as if you had? I know I couldn't. It's not possible, even if someone else could do it.

John

Well I hope we aren't two ships passing. I enjoy talking on the forums with you.

I don't think we are that far off John. I never said everything is possible, just more than most will admit to themselves. No I couldn't change my sexuallity but that's one example and I'm sure there are a few others out there as well but I'm also sure that alot of what people see as "they can't", they really mean they won't or don't want to.

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RE: Mold me? - 12/3/2008 3:15:29 PM

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Is it just me... am I being old and cranky or not understanding something? What is with this mold me stuff? I need someone to mold me, to make me a better man/woman... I just know these bad habits of mine could be changed if I had a good dominant to mold me.

Do people really think that we as dominant wish to mold someone? Do we want to mold someone? Train them to our specific needs I can see... but to mold and create in a sense I cannot see.

Especially at my age, if a man isn't somewhat put together, I don't see my being able to change one darn thing and I can't see myself as interested! I kind of expect them to be potty trained, somewhat social and able to socialize and to not need life skills training.

What do you all think? Do you want to mold someone who is an adult? Do we send the message that, that is what we want to do? Is it crazy to expect an adult to have some adult skills and be somewhat able to change thier own bad habits?

Hi Lockit
Although i am not ageist i am obviously not an alien being and i do age (honestly i do!) just like everyone else. When i was in my late teens and earlytwenties my subservient nature did not serve me very well at all....and oe might very well atgue that it is my nature to serve someoneelse and not myself but what i mean by this is that i often served to my own detriment in a very martyred way. it took me a few decades to learn that whilst i 'need'to serve i am absolutely of o good to anyone if broken, tired, resentful and on the submissive threadmill.
i put myself very much into the equation now and it surprises me that as a result of this i am more rather than less willing to be molded and shaped....but that's a good feeling as i receive it as a lving and caring atitude. i accept that if i am worthy of being molded then i am worthy of His attention.
All things which have a negative interpretation may have a psoitive interpretation. All things. It's a spiritual statement of absolute rather than something negotiable.......

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