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RE: slavery - 12/12/2008 4:50:37 AM

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Girl thought this might be an interesting example to post, since it happened very recently.

Guy and his pet entered the bus. The guy paid for them both. Now this guy had his pet attached to a leash. The bus driver asked that the guy remove the leash. The guy replied that he would not and referred to the gal as his pet and she would remain leashed. The bus driver then asked once more that the leash be removed before the bus driver will continue on the route. No one on the bus cared that this guy and this girl was leashed as his pet, but the bus driver was making a statement. Now since the bus driver was making any headway, turned his head towards a sign that was clearly visible and pointed to the sign that stated, 'No Pets'. The guy tugged on the leash, gave his pet a pat on the head and told his pet to come along and they stepped off the bus. The bus driver then continued on his route.

Now most far-left libertarians would say that there was no harm meant by the guy have his girl leashed as a pet. The guy being her master and the girl accepting her role as his pet. However society has those that would not agree with the circumstances and would try to change your choice of lifestyle.
As long as there are those that would all of us to change our choices in lifestyle, we need to remain in the closets and our bedrooms. However, girl believes that the governments are already in her homes. Wouldn't even be surprised if CM's content isn't monitored by some digit of big brother.

Yes well, there was a lot more behind that particular story than was reported initally. That story had nothing to do with society, but the people involved.

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RE: slavery - 12/14/2008 6:34:27 PM

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I agree, if it is not your business, then stay out it ;)

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RE: slavery - 12/14/2008 6:38:49 PM

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You are right, this is not a yes or no question but a multic faceted issue. Even if someone is sure their own Master would not abuse them and treat them well after the signing is done, once must consider other factors. Being a slave, everyone would see you as property, a thing, an item. It would give ANYONE the right to mistreat you. Abuse you, beat you, and the only "concequenses" that person would have to pay, is monetary restitution to your owner if you got injured or died. It will be the same way as killing someone's dog, or lifestock, and even though the owner would be compensated, still your value will be much less than that of a human.

Remember folks, Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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RE: slavery - 12/14/2008 7:21:17 PM

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Legalized slavery would make it non-consensual with the full force of governemnt behind the owner. Humans being what we are, abuses, violence and all the ugliness of slavery days would soon corrupt society -- owners, slaves and free-folk alike. Instutional slavery has always been an abomination, nothing like the consensual devotion and erotic power exchange practiced here with all its ethical standards and safety precautions -- and even here, in our own world, we've gotta be vigilant about abuse -- by posers and, unintentionally, by we practicioners sometimes. Legalization is a slippery slope -- even if, unlike past slavery epochs - it were practiced under strict, human standards of treatment so that a legal slave would have the same legal protections that he or she has now in a constitutinally free society. Bad idea. Best kept in fantasy space.

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RE: slavery - 12/14/2008 9:53:52 PM

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Hello, again, Lynn: My owner suggested that i go back and clarify my response to your intriguing post so as to answer on the point of whether i would sign away my freedom to my present owner were the government to "bring back slavery in the legal sense." My answer is a qualified yes. I say qualified because i do trust her with my life, but at the same time, i would be disappointed if she wanted to own me under such circumstances that would support the instution of slavery in the traditional sense. It would work better for both of us if there were, let's say, a changed, new kind of legal servetude or slavery that made it legal with built-in, well defined, strict laws and regulations governing the humane treatment of slaves as well as limits to his or her freedom, plus definitions and protections of owners. Such an arrangement has never existed in human history -- not even close. And since you used the phrase "bring back" i have to assume you didn't mean anything like this legally limited, humanitarian kind of slavery. What do you think of that idea, while we're on the subject?

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RE: slavery - 12/18/2008 10:43:14 AM

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Most likely. I trust master with everything (:

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RE: slavery - 12/19/2008 4:38:23 PM

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dam.....both pro and con are not the aswers I would have expected..just goes to show you can never take anything for granted

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RE: slavery - 12/19/2008 5:11:42 PM

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I personally don't view this as a lifestyle. For me, this is how i was born and how things should be (my opinion)
I actually did accept legal slavery when i married my owner. i would never do this again. He changed, i changed and i just want out.
Things area always changing and i always want the option to get out.
In an ideal world, i would love to be a slave to the man that now wants to Collar me (not my current husband) but i learned the hard way that people do change over time.

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RE: slavery - 12/19/2008 5:24:58 PM

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Y'know, I'm not even that comfortable with the slavery we have now(not used to it, rather)...if the government tried to in effect legalize white slavery? I think I'd join millions of others and scrap like crazy to keep that shit illegal. Brave, stupid young men didn't die against their kinsmen just so we could dance around their sacrifice and bring it back in a different way.

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RE: slavery - 12/29/2008 1:50:24 PM

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i wish just to thank everyone for there ideas on this subject. i have been of the idea that i love giving control to my Master in everyway. it is between two people and i personally do not need a sign paper saying this is true. it is because W/we say so.Master and i enjoyed reading everyones entry thank you again.

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RE: slavery - 12/29/2008 6:46:31 PM

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Nowhere is slavery legal in the sense that no legal system recognizes title or property in a living human being. This means that no court will enforce a contract to buy and sell slaves or enforce the right of a master to the labor of his or her slave.So what the heck are you talking about?Your Master can not have a legal slave contract.You are free to walk if you are unhappy.

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RE: slavery - 1/11/2009 11:26:31 AM

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While I am not an advocate of returning to slavery in a non consensual term. That meaning I dont agree nor have I ever agreed with the concept of forcing someone against their will to be slave. Having said that, it may also behoove folks to do a bit of research into the institution of slavery in the southern US. What I have found (not in the history books from school, but from authors that lived in that time) is that on the whole slaves were treated better in the south than the migrant workers of the NE US. Consider for example a few facts and apply them to todays standards leaving morality out of the question. First a slave at that time easily cost between $500 and $1500 and as high as $2000 or more per slave. that in a time when if you were lucky the average person made 50 cents to $1.00 per day. This constitutes a massive investment in a slave. The slave of that time was a tool, granted, How many of us today would spend comparitavely 3 years or more salary on a piece of propert ie a home or a work truck only to abuse and destroy it. I dare say very very few. In addition most slaves were educated at least on a rudamentary level allowing them to speak a second language, communicate effectively, given medical care and clothing and shelter. If you do the study on the subject and leave morality out if you you find that, while enslaved they were treated quite well. Ironically after the 13 ammendment was passed and ratified and slaves were freed legally, most chose to remain on or near their former Masters plantation. HMMMM if they were SO abused would you not think that the majority would have fled to the north or west? Just a few thoughts from some deeper research into the institution of slavery.
However this person asked about a volunteer slavery more similar to an indentured servant which is different. Its a good question though

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RE: slavery - 1/11/2009 1:24:36 PM

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If I can remember something I read a while ago. A lot of freed slaves also took the name of those that they labored for. They were, for some, allowed to have families of their own while being a plantation slave.
I find where slavery is concerned, much like the news reports of today, strife gains more attention than something fuzzy. To report or write about the abuse sells more books.
Finding books written during that time are a rarity. Probably a few books that were actually written by a freed slave's hand of their experience. Such books would definitely be more rare.

When I studied Latin in high school. Roman slaves were treated rather well. Prisoners of war, criminals and slaves that did steal from their masters were sent in chains to the coliseum. Same was said of the Roman occupation of Brittania.
There are other forms as well: Egyptian, Arabia, Norse. Tribes in Africa would raid each other, not only for women and resources, but slaves as well. Everywhere around the world there were other examples of slavery.

What surprises me about D/s or M/s, is how most are stuck in the slavery that existed in the US. Such things as the treatment of thralls (new word), the use of canes, rope bondage and confinement were used with POWs . Small cages, rack and stocks, were popular treatment of slaves and criminals in Europe. Flogging and being hung from the yardarm, were means to discipline sailors for being insubordinate -- planning a mutiny and getting caught, usually resulted in getting keelhauled or simply tossed overboard.

I would just like to know why other forms of in-thrallment are not used within the lifestyle. Why must the lifestyle be stuck in using the Confederate model?

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RE: slavery - 1/11/2009 8:22:12 PM

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well said Aszhrae, I would like to point out that in actuality there are quite a few manuscripts available if a little hard digging is done. most are circa 1880's to 1920's. A few copywritten as late as mid '40's. Sorry just an ole history buff here who has more than just a passing interest in the time period. I must confess I probably am in the minority on many of my opinons of that era though. Good hunting

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RE: slavery - 1/11/2009 8:30:01 PM

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no

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RE: slavery - 1/11/2009 9:28:40 PM

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quote:

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If I can remember something I read a while ago. A lot of freed slaves also took the name of those that they labored for. They were, for some, allowed to have families of their own while being a plantation slave.
I find where slavery is concerned, much like the news reports of today, strife gains more attention than something fuzzy. To report or write about the abuse sells more books.
Finding books written during that time are a rarity. Probably a few books that were actually written by a freed slave's hand of their experience. Such books would definitely be more rare.

When I studied Latin in high school. Roman slaves were treated rather well. Prisoners of war, criminals and slaves that did steal from their masters were sent in chains to the coliseum. Same was said of the Roman occupation of Brittania.
There are other forms as well: Egyptian, Arabia, Norse. Tribes in Africa would raid each other, not only for women and resources, but slaves as well. Everywhere around the world there were other examples of slavery.

What surprises me about D/s or M/s, is how most are stuck in the slavery that existed in the US. Such things as the treatment of thralls (new word), the use of canes, rope bondage and confinement were used with POWs . Small cages, rack and stocks, were popular treatment of slaves and criminals in Europe. Flogging and being hung from the yardarm, were means to discipline sailors for being insubordinate -- planning a mutiny and getting caught, usually resulted in getting keelhauled or simply tossed overboard.

I would just like to know why other forms of in-thrallment are not used within the lifestyle. Why must the lifestyle be stuck in using the Confederate model?

Maybe because it's much closer to home and a little more romantic than the modern Third World slavery which exists today in many parts of the world.

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RE: slavery - 1/20/2009 6:07:15 PM

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we already have leagal slavery,...its called marrige!!!!! lol jk now that the crazy femisnist is done

no, Relationships come and go, things happen, and to thing that I will willfully love him forecer is a nice thougt, but not complelty true. Who knows what happens

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