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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 12/31/2008 9:55:23 PM   
YourhandMyAss


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ORIGINAL: marie2

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

The mods deleted the thread, but you're right I could be mistaken.




As I recall you were saying that foreigners should have a better grasp on  the English language if they wanted to become citizens, especially licensed professionals.  The thread isn't deleted.  It's still up, and I just found it.  It appears to have been locked.  Yes, it was quite a massacre, but I wasn't involved in the mocking.  

It's odd to me that you would remember me as one who jumped on the bandwagon, when I was actually the only poster who defended you.  

Post #67.  Take notice, especially of my very last sentence to you, in that post.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 12:44:13 AM   
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(I call it Semi sarcasm cause I know a couple of guys that absolutely can't spell OR type who Have made that part of their requirements for a female companion!!)


Imagine that!

That would be almost as ridiculous as someone posting an insulting tirade against people who misspell, use poor grammar, and make errors in punctuation in a post filled with misspellings, poor grammar, and errors in punctuation.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 1:22:38 AM   
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It's loser, not looser. Here's a clue: loose, looser, loosest.
YOUR is possessive; YOU'RE is a contraction of "you are".

This is all Elementary School shit. Everyone mis-spells things. I do it all the time. Mis-spelling is quite different from not knowing how to spell, however.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 1:31:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sometimes I think that some of the spelling police judge about spelling..because they want to feel "raised above" the others.
But I think there are better ways for that.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 1:34:26 AM   
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...or other excuse for odd/inappropriate use of English.

If you write "I seek a women..."
BINGO!, You lose.

'Women' is plural.

If in fact, you are in search of the plural of female, then you need to omit the precedent 'a'.
...also, you ought admit to poly, or to seeking a conglomerate of some sort.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 1:53:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kiyari

This may or may not enlighten, those among our readership who have not English as thy first language

...or other excuse for odd/inappropriate use of English.

If you write "I seek a women..."
BINGO!, You lose.

'Women' is plural.

If in fact, you are in search of the plural of female, then you need to omit the precedent 'a'.
...also, you ought admit to poly, or to seeking a conglomerate of some sort.



If you explain something to non english people, words as plural, omit and conglomarate are not very handy. lol


some thing like the below explains it better to us.
1 womAn <> 1 mAn
2 womEn <> 2 mEn

In our languuge we add something at the end of a word for the plural.
1 vrouw - 2 vrouwEN (woman <> women)
1 man - 2 manNEN (man<>men)

still shitty to learn for foreigners. lol

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 2:01:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

Sometimes I think that some of the spelling police judge about spelling..because they want to feel "raised above" the others.
But I think there are better ways for that.



No, it has nothing to do with any kind of feeling. Punctuation, spelling and syntax is either correct or incorrect, and using poor punctuation, spelling and syntax (aside from the occasional mistake) is generally either sloppy or ignorant.

Our culture has become seriously illiterate when those who cannot or do not care to write correctly denigrate those who do.

On the other hand... having tutored adults for five years, I understand also that those who are just learning English will naturally make mistakes. In fact, I often find their English mistakes rather charming.

Further, it is the height of ego-centricism that some Americans are critical of those just learning English, because it is very likely that those others already speak several languages while most Americans do not.

Just some 4 a.m. ramblings of a *very* tired (but tremendously satisfied) individual--it was a great night. I hope you all have an enjoyable New Years Day and that 2009 is your best year yet.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 2:13:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well true. If you see some grammer (in Dutch) I hardly recoqnize it anymore.
But the problem is people beeing judged alone on grammar. Sometimes making them even look less then others.
We don't check their cooking skills , their math skills. So in general you have to know one trade online..grammar..and you look perfect ;)

yes it was a great..long night...I wish you a lovely new year too. :)

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 2:30:24 AM   
ThatDaveGuy69


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Status: offline 		Wow, 46 replies and no one mentioned that "irregardless" is not even a word.

There are two (2) words that come into play here:
regardless & irregarding, both of which mean pretty much the same thing: without regard or concern for

If "irregardless" were actually a real word, it would be self-contradicting.

Having said that, I tend to read through most spelling & grammar errors.  Hell, I probably don't even recognize half of them!  If I can get the meaning of a post as written then it's not the end of the world. 

On the other hand, if you're going to start or reply to a thread that deals with spelling and/or grammar then it seems reasonable to expect such posts to be pretty-much letter-perferct.

And, as always, exceptions made for non-native English speakers.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 2:31:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

Well true. If you see some grammer (in Dutch) I hardly recoqnize it anymore.
But the problem is people beeing judged alone on grammar. Sometimes making them even look less then others.
We don't check their cooking skills , their math skills. So in general you have to know one trade online..grammar..and you look perfect ;)

yes it was a great..long night...I wish you a lovely new year too. :)
You make very good points. For a while, after I took German, I would capitalize Nouns. English used to do that. Sometimes I will think, "I am to the store going" because in German the second verb is at the end of the sentence or clause.

I understand how Ausländer make mistakes. Native speakers, however, have no such excuse.

I understand dyslexia, learning disabilities, low intelligence, intoxication, etc.  But the typical American should not be continually making simple mistakes. Or has "No Child Left Behind" really done that much damage to education? 

Oh, the horror. The whole country reduced to the level of Shrub. Gak!

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 2:36:12 AM   
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In the fora, I don't really have a problem with poor spelling, punctuation and grammar as long as the post makes sense when I read it.  I will comment on the content, but not on the delivery.

But in my private life I do admit to preferring good basic grammar.  If someone I've never met messages me and doesn't use a sentence properly (capital letter at the start, full stop at the finish) and shows signs of sloppy spelling, then I'm less likely to message them back.  I can usually recognise when the message is written by someone with dyslexia or similar as I have taught many, many dyslexic students.

However that is just a personal preference of mine, in the same way as I prefer taller men, men slightly older than me, and so on.  I'm not saying that someone with poor communication skills is somehow less worthy than anyone else, they just don't tick my own particular boxes.


**edited to correct a rather bizarre line break**

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 5:02:57 AM   
Raechard


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My conclusions from these various discussions of past and present: everyone likes to be an expert in at least one thing even if that one thing is spelling and grammar.


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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 5:03:56 AM   
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aint got no money

aint got no job

aint got no haircut

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 5:19:37 AM   
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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 5:29:55 AM   
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Pah...that's you off my list!  

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 5:41:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		When you're online how you type is pretty much how you make your first impression, it's how you present yourself to the others reading your post. It's all good and well to say that what a person is saying is more important than how they say it, but the message can get pretty jumbled along the way if you can't clearly understand it. It's like they're mumbling.
Offline you need to speak clearly to be understood, you need to be able to type clearly for that reason online.
As for dyslexia, people have posted here and on other threads about ways to overcome it, it just takes extra effort. Not always a bad thing.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 5:49:48 AM   
RainydayNE


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Status: offline 		it can be frustrating to read a post chock full of errors but EVERYONE makes errors
everyone grumbles to themselves about it from time to time, but derailing a whole thread to make fun of someone just doesn't make sense
ESPECIALLY when it's known that the person has a learning disability.
i dont think people should have to advertise every little "i have such and such a condition, this, this this, that one, this one too, and several others" in their signatures to avoid being attacked.
i think people should have some sort of common politeness to just not attack people =p don't see what's so hard about that.

alot of the peole who tend to tout their uber gnarly high intelligence and high standards also make mistakes here from time to time


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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 5:56:42 AM   
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I am well traveled. I consider myself intelligent and educated, so as most people I come in contact with, with the exception of my teenage daughters who seem to think they know better than their dad…lol.

Where I have problem is, when I try to put sentences together, especially in a written form. And sometimes I have to ask to explain a certain sentence if I think it (the sentence) might have a different meaning as to not have any misunderstandings.

I speak five languages (two of them rusty) but I never have a problem with well spoken and reasonably educated English speaking people understanding me. However if I write to someone, say in here for the first time, I do make the point to let them know that English isn’t my first language, just in case they of the opinion that lack of grammar, proper punctuations etc, equals lack of intelligence. Which in my humble opinion, I believe that not to be true at all.

I hope everyone had an amazing New Year’s Eve and 2009 fulfills your dreams and aspirations.     

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 6:53:10 AM   
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I do not think that I have ever hidden the posts of someone for being dyslexic. Of the about 48 posts that I have hidden two are of people who have an inherent logical deficiency (not their fault, they were born that way, but it makes communication with them impossible), a number that potentially could get me into trouble with mod11 (got to protect myself), one or two because of instinctive antipathy (my problem, I know, but it is what it is), one or two because they do not edit their quotes, and a fair number that use weird fonts, like huge brown letters, or huge pink letters, or very tiny, cursive pink letters. I read posts because of their content, not in order to get a headache from the font used.
 
I do not exclude that I may have hidden the posts of someone that because of sloppiness continually made errors of spelling and grammar, but I cannot recall such an example.
 
There used to be a severely dyslexic woman that posted in these forums. I always tried to comprehend what she wrote. Some of that I could indeed make sense of.

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RE: Judging Based On Grammar Capabilities - 1/1/2009 6:55:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whilst I know that grammar isn't my strength (never was and never will be; I used to be good in dictations as my spelling used to be quite good...but once we had to decide ourselves where to place the commas....well, my grades went rappidly downhill *lol* I think I had some naps at school when we started to learn grammar and simply missed out). => and after my country had a stupid writing-reform in I think it was 2003 by now even my spelling isn't great anymore as this reform just messed up our language entirely and with being abroad since then I didn't learn those changes really.

However...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

For a while, after I took German, I would capitalize Nouns. English used to do that. Sometimes I will think, "I am to the store going" because in German the second verb is at the end of the sentence or clause.


whilst we do capitalize our lovely nouns I am either not getting what your first verb is meant to be in this sentence (when we germans, according to you, put the second verb at the end of the sentence...which I never thought about so far) or you are wrong  Because if I translate your sentence into my language german, then I say "I go to the shop." 


On a personal level it never bothered me how well someone is managing his or her grammar. A previous friend of mine was from russia and I corrected her writing for her college when she asked me to do so, and now I do have my friends over here who do the same for me. I would like to work on my grammar but right now, quite frankly, I am busy enough with working 7 days a week due to being either on placement, at Uni or at my paid work and once the summer break comes along I think again I should work on it, but I am pretty sure it will just be like last year, that I will work about 300 hours a month to manage to get some extra cash in to reduce my overdraft here and once I get home between my shifts, quite frankly, I can't be bothered about as then I am simply knacked.

In longterm I want to manage to fix my errors, but right now with my current lifestyle here in the UK and the monthly bills I am having, it is not on the top of my priority list and instead...close to the bottom.

So whoever has a problem with my grammar...well, that's simple, just don't read what I wrote.

And I had once in a while a person who thought he or she has the need to behave smart about grammar...I would "love" to see how well they would do studies in a different country, in a different language, living entirely on their own (family wise).

I really don't have time to have prejudices or fussyness of that kind towards others.

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