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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 10:15:26 AM   
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As far as The Great rite.. i think i would exclude it from my BDSM pursuits only in that it is an Act of sacred sex.. One representing ourselves and our connection to God and Goddess..BUT ..outside of that.. other forms of sexual expression can be brought in .. in my mind. Think of a Dom and their sub , when they are in a scene and lets say the flog is being used.. To me that can be a form of energy raising, that could be used towards a certain magickal goal.. It depend really on how you wish to incorporate it in your Lifestyle i guess


it can fit in BDSM, as can the sacredness of the act can be, or can without. Depends on the people involved.

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 10:16:53 AM   
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As far as The Great rite.. i think i would exclude it from my BDSM pursuits only in that it is an Act of sacred sex.. One representing ourselves and our connection to God and Goddess..BUT ..outside of that.. other forms of sexual expression can be brought in .. in my mind. Think of a Dom and their sub , when they are in a scene and lets say the flog is being used.. To me that can be a form of energy raising, that could be used towards a certain magickal goal.. It depend really on how you wish to incorporate it in your Lifestyle i guess


I probably shouldn't post before having my morning coffee... LOL I see your point.  I don't know however, if I would be coherent enough to use that raised energy for any goals. I hadn't actually given it much thought.

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 10:32:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I may not have the room to cast a circle or the needed props, but I do pray to the goddess upon waking and when I am about to go to bed. Since my own beliefs, Miss' husband finds fault with, and unless I outside in a private and secluded place. I am unable to practice under his watchful gaze. He always has to know what everyone else is doing which makes it difficult to even pray at times.

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 11:00:17 AM   
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If I ever do add a specific Sex Magick ritual (the Great Marriage in my belief) that would definately be something not to be shared with others


i totally agree with that. 

I walk daily with the Goddess and God. It is my expression of who I am and who i serve.



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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 11:15:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings SirShadowhawk,   In FetLife there is a whole thread on Ritual Sex Sacrifice in which I have posted several times explaining that I regularly use sex magick in my pagan group (The Clan O’Sliabh). I have also been in IM with two members there and will be ensuring they have copies of Crowley’s Gnostic Mass (Which I have performed often) and an adoption if it which I also use regularly (The Mass of Venus). Depending on the individual’s knowledge base and experience in ceremonial magick and the Qabalistic references, both can be adapted for use either as a pure sex rite (with no magickal influence other than natural magicks which happen every time we have sex or just masturbate) , and in the case of the Mass of Venus, has the ability to have a great deal of bondage  and flogging added or subtracted as you desire.  

Just the views of a kinky Pagan Priest, Mage & Old Fart

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 11:23:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

I may not have the room to cast a circle or the needed props, but I do pray to the goddess upon waking and when I am about to go to bed. Since my own beliefs, Miss' husband finds fault with, and unless I outside in a private and secluded place. I am unable to practice under his watchful gaze. He always has to know what everyone else is doing which makes it difficult to even pray at times.


Then perhaps you might want to learn how to do magick without tools. It can be done, and i have done it many times that way. Use your mind as your tool

oceanwynds

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 11:35:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		IronBear yes that is True.. Myself am Druid and Witch Priest.. And i find that sexual ritual is expressive as well as functional..Beyond acknowledging our fertility, it can be gateway and prompter to find our own inner carnality and lust. These are primal and exude power in there own right.. Plus to others here i am reminded of Valientes writinf in the Charge of The Goddess declaring that  Al Acts of Love and Pleasure are my Rituals. So in our lifestyle i believe we can honor our Gods by doing what we do.. If that makes sense.. Also i am on Fetlife, Sir Shadowhawk there as wel add me if you like

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:02:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

I may not have the room to cast a circle or the needed props, but I do pray to the goddess upon waking and when I am about to go to bed. Since my own beliefs, Miss' husband finds fault with, and unless I outside in a private and secluded place. I am unable to practice under his watchful gaze. He always has to know what everyone else is doing which makes it difficult to even pray at times.


Then perhaps you might want to learn how to do magick without tools. It can be done, and i have done it many times that way. Use your mind as your tool

oceanwynds


I agree, tools are only an aid to focus, one can learn how to practice without tools. How could practitioners in prisons practice without a double edged blade ?

I have tools, home made tools, but I have never used them, they were from a time where I thought I needed to have tools to practise, not so, the mind can be very powerful, especially when one learns techniques of creative visualisation.


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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:07:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have tools from when I practiced more formally, but these days they remain untouched.  I have moved more toward Santeria and Voudoun these days, though I don't follow any specific practice.  There is a little statue of Lord Ganesh on my desk at the office. 

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:17:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I am out in the woods and I have enough time to get to, I know where there is a natural circle. Not been there for quite some time but since I have more time now, I might just go to see if its still there. If so, it will be a good place to cleanse. Time to put my metis heritage to some use and summon my totem. The old traditions are still the best. They are in the blood. Metis/Rroma (gypsy) + Irish/Welsh. A little native, always native. A little Rroma, always Rroma.
A little blood letting never hurt anyone, plus being a pain slut will make what I plan to do so much easier.
Any suggestions regarding sterilization?


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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:18:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: oceanwynds

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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

I may not have the room to cast a circle or the needed props, but I do pray to the goddess upon waking and when I am about to go to bed. Since my own beliefs, Miss' husband finds fault with, and unless I outside in a private and secluded place. I am unable to practice under his watchful gaze. He always has to know what everyone else is doing which makes it difficult to even pray at times.


Then perhaps you might want to learn how to do magick without tools. It can be done, and i have done it many times that way. Use your mind as your tool

oceanwynds


I agree, tools are only an aid to focus, one can learn how to practice without tools. How could practitioners in prisons practice without a double edged blade ?

I have tools, home made tools, but I have never used them, they were from a time where I thought I needed to have tools to practise, not so, the mind can be very powerful, especially when one learns techniques of creative visualisation.



Yes, my late husband actually taught me in the beginning to not to rely on tools. He would have me pretend I was in a jail or prison and had to learn to draw a circle etc. through my mind.  He taught me to learn to focus without tools or getting other's attention. After his death, my focus went poof, but it is slowly coming back.

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:20:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		From the SEX MAGICK PRIMER by Don Webb..Part1
Magic is the art or science of causing changes in the world through will alone.
This is very, very hard -- if it wasn't we would never encounter a red light
while we drove. Many people try conventional magic and have little or no
results. They simply don't have enough passion. But sex provides the greatest
amount of passion easily available to the magician. Sex provides energy by
creating a tension that is released in orgasms. The forces of the individuals
involved flow out into the world freely at this moment. Now as we all know the
orgasms that follows an intense D/S scene are much, much more powerful than the
orgasm that may occur in vanilla lovemaking. Why? Because of the greater
consciousness and separation of the individuals involved. Each were working on
two very different tracks, two different parts of reality -- but the moment of
release brought them into one will. Note carefully I am not talking about
simultaneous orgasms, which are more powerful still, but the orgasms of a
submissive who has been put through her or his paces. Now if that energy is
directed (by words, or thoughts, symbolic items in the room, visualization,
etc.) to a particular goal -- the energy will fly forth as a lighting bolt and
strike the desired target, beginning to force it to change in accordance with
the Wills of the persons involved.

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:22:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Though I am a practicing Pagan I don't think I would wish to bring that aspect of my life into my BDSM world.  It's just a personal preference for me to keep the two separate.

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:22:57 PM   
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Since magic is a product of the consciousness -- it is as individual as the
persons involved. There are the refore no rules for sex magic. However there has
to be good sex involved. The submissive -- before he or she can submit to
another -- has to have learned how to submit to themselves. The very tough idea
of "To thine own self be true!" is essential in the submissive having the
spiritual and magical strength to act as the goddess Shakti. The dominant has

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:24:56 PM   
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to have mastered something in the world. If she or he is going to wield the
power, she or he must be able to do things in the world. A forty- five year old
guy who lives with his mother and flips burgers at McDonalds isn't going to be
able to act as the god Shiva. The master must already have power in the world,
the submissive must have power over herself. As a magical discipline, magicians
avoid playing with persons for whom this isn't so. To play with such psychic
vampires is a drain of power and will murder the soul. Partners who are aware
and willing participants produce much more energy, and will effect the world
and themselves much more strongly.....

These passages are part of what got me to thinking and asking my original question..What do you think??

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:30:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I prefer blood magick over sex magick (or tantric magick). Since you always have your own blood available which is what I use when inscribing, invoking, summoning or preparing my self for dreamwalking or visionquesting. Its frowned upon by many the use of blood because as soon as you mention, people immediately think of animal sacrifice or even worst, human sacrifice. Only blood used is my own as that is what the spirits want, they want to drink of your essence, it gives them life and what you ask of them gives them purpose. That is why they exist, to help, to offer insight and guidance. My own essence in offering is stronger than any animal. Why would I sacrifice a creature of nature? I wouldn't, I have too much respect for nature and the spirits that co-exist around us.

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 12:40:09 PM   
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I agree, tools are only an aid to focus, one can learn how to practice without tools. How could practitioners in prisons practice without a double edged blade ?

I have tools, home made tools, but I have never used them, they were from a time where I thought I needed to have tools to practise, not so, the mind can be very powerful, especially when one learns techniques of creative visualisation.



Absolutely.  I have a whole alter full of beautiful tools that i rarely touch anymore, simply because if have grown beyond the need to use such props.  Visulisation works far better these days. 

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/4/2009 1:21:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since fire has always been an integral part of my rituals when I am able. I often engage in the practice of writing my prayers down on a piece of paper in my own blood. Reciting the prayer as the paper and my blood burns in the flame. I also use teas in my rituals, which requires the use of a small cast iron pot and a goblet to drink the tea from because the pot is too hot to drink from. I have a dagger, that is not only used for blood letting but also to stir the tea. Each is used as a tool during the ritual.
Chinese make offerings made of rice paper that are often burned when someone has died.
The practice of bloodletting has been used for centuries and the use of a dagger to make the needed cut. An interesting thing I read once concerning the practice of handbinding. Both individuals would have their palms cut, clasped together and then bound by sash or string of flowers. The belief was that if the two to become one were meant to be together then their blood would heal the cut of the one to whom they would be bound. At the time, no knew that pressure was actually what caused the cut to cease and begin the healing process. But I find that particular ritual rather romantic.
As for the significance of having a cup or bowl has been around since recorded history. Though I do wish I was back in Toronto as there was a little exotic shop that used to bring in imports. One such item was a bone bowl cut from the skull of a human. But that's okay, I have a bowl fashioned from oak. As for the dagger, double-edged with a bone handle.
If I didn't have to go off and do a ritual some place in secrecy. I would much rather do it here with a brazier.


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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/7/2009 4:59:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have praticed both - but find that I prefer to keep bdsm sex and magick sex seperate.
It helps if you have a partner that understands that sex can be different in different settings.  Not all sex is "sex".

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RE: Pagans, Ritual sex, and BDSM - 1/7/2009 5:08:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree the sexual energy is perhaps the most creative and positive energies there is for use in ritual, I know that, but I won't go there. Perhaps I limit myself, but I do everything in response to feeling and my feeling is I have not the knowledge to know what I am doing with such energies, so I leave well alone.

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