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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 9:19:55 AM   
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Popeye has gone and done it, now we are all curious as to her profession.  lol
I don't think it will be as obvious as stripper, call girl or escort.


....i'm guessing its Caroline Kennedy........

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 9:22:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could be indicative of a borderline personality disorder (fatal attraction), and/or pathological Narcissism, which can be expressed as constant need for conquest, economic or social/sexual, these people can be very destructive, and it's by no means confined to women.

Both of these syndromes are typically linked to low self esteem, or more accurately, unrealistically high expectations of themselves, that are expressed as a need for constant external reassurance of their self worth through conquest wealth, power, popularity, etc., and Narcissism in particular, is marked by alternation between pathological self aggrandizement and pathological self hatred.

This is why they fear intimacy, they're afraid someone will discover they aren't perfect.

It's also a very useful marketing technique: you cannot possibly be a worthwhile human being, and will be shunned by humanity until you buy our product, which will make you popular and beloved, etc.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 9:26:20 AM   
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Send her a link to my profile here :D

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 10:37:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, since guessing is free- sounds like she's a corporate bigwig with that type of salary.

Sorry all, but I don't think there's any type of pathology here at all.  (Unless you buy the disorder of the day.)

My reasons-

1)  She clearly functions at a high level.  Odds are good that her grasp of reality is sound.  My starting point for mental illness- how is your grasp of reality?
2)  She has a character flaw.  It's no different than some people who prefer to lie, who like to steal etc.  They're not insane, they're not sick.  They're just not nice people.  Character flaws are not illnesses.

I think T nailed it that she's got the competitive gene thing going on.  Some men like bragging about the number of women they've slept with.  I think the old expression is "notches in a bed post."  Doesn't mean that they were good in the sack or that the women wanted more, just that they were good at getting women there.  Well, for an attractive woman- there's no challenge in getting a single guy in the sack, and probably not much more in getting a married guy there.  Destroying a relationship though- that's a bit more of a challenge.  Didn't anybody see Dangerous Liasons?  This is that type of thrill seeking.

3)  Everybody's speculating on what are the drivers of this behavior.  At the end of the day- I'll lay long odds her response would be: "Because I liked doing it."  As long as humans have free will and our destinies aren't fixed- humans are going to make choices that others find incomprehensible.  In the hypothetical case of her having an identical twin- her twin who might be a kind, sweet devoted loving woman- who liked race cars.  In short-  There doesn't have to be a reason for her behavior. Free will is exactly that.  People looking for reasons for her behavior may be seeking excuses, for her.  In some cases they may find her attractive on some level, and odds are we do- otherwise she would have a shortage of prey.  Nature's very good about equipping predators with what they're going to need to be successful, since unsuccessful predators wind up being lunch.

4)  Since she likes what she's doing and no laws are being broken, odds are she's going to continue.  I wouldn't even take heart that as she gets older, she'll stop since she probably won't- her pool of victims will just be a bit smaller.  Either that or somebody who gets a real mad on blows her away- which would have a certain justice.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 11:06:28 AM   
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And I think all of you could be right to a certain extent.
I was just wondering if this type of behavior was caused by *external factors* or because of some type of disease in the brain, i.e. *internal factors.*
Certainly there is some degree of narcissism involved here.
And probably some type of socio-pathology.
And absolutely personality disorder when these type of destructive relationships are repeated over and over again for decades.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 11:15:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		What would you say about a guy who exhibits this sort of behavior?

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 11:15:52 AM   
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She is terrified of intimacy. She seeks impossible relationships because they're impossible. If one of those men ever left his wife for her, she'd wouldn't know whether to shit or wind her watch. Because she cannot tolerate intimacy, she doesn't understand it and doesn't understand the havoc she wreaks. Her terror of intimacy probably reflects an underlying fear of abandonment. She is unlikely to seek help. When she gets to the end of her road in terms of being able to attract men, i.e., as she ages, she is likely to become unstable with masked depression.
 
Just my guess, of course.
 
K.

 
 


Kirata, from what I know about her I think you could be very close too!

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 11:47:54 AM   
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What would you say about a guy who exhibits this sort of behavior?


Katy, there's been a double standard about such behavior for millenia.
 
When it's a woman doing so - they're an inherantly bad person, or a whore, or a slut, or a tramp.
When it's a guy doing so - they're simply sowing their wild oats, or maintaining plausible deniability when a pregnancy happens (ie - she's married, she sleeps with him a lot, she's slept with me once, so it must be his - if the question even crops up at all since she's married) or proving his virility, etc ad nauseum.
 
Personal opinion - it's all horseshit.  If it's bad/wrong/evil/mentally ill/sociopathic for one gender to do so, it is that way for Either gender to do so - none of this double standard patriarchal hooey.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 11:52:15 AM   
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What would you say about a guy who exhibits this sort of behavior?


Katy, there's been a double standard about such behavior for millenia.
 
When it's a woman doing so - they're an inherantly bad person, or a whore, or a slut, or a tramp.
When it's a guy doing so - they're simply sowing their wild oats, or maintaining plausible deniability when a pregnancy happens (ie - she's married, she sleeps with him a lot, she's slept with me once, so it must be his - if the question even crops up at all since she's married) or proving his virility, etc ad nauseum.
 
Personal opinion - it's all horseshit.  If it's bad/wrong/evil/mentally ill/sociopathic for one gender to do so, it is that way for Either gender to do so - none of this double standard patriarchal hooey.


I think it would be viewed the same if a man was doing it. At least by me as the issue is not the sex but that the woman in question feels a need to be competitive and take other peoples husbands, boyfriends and is bent on destruction of others.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 12:04:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I know the double-standard.  A guy who has many partners is "experienced" a girl is "a slut".
I guess it just irks me that a woman is being blamed because the men were too weak to say no to her.


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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 12:14:35 PM   
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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 1:05:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

What would you say about a guy who exhibits this sort of behavior?


Katy, there's been a double standard about such behavior for millenia.
 
When it's a woman doing so - they're an inherantly bad person, or a whore, or a slut, or a tramp.
When it's a guy doing so - they're simply sowing their wild oats, or maintaining plausible deniability when a pregnancy happens (ie - she's married, she sleeps with him a lot, she's slept with me once, so it must be his - if the question even crops up at all since she's married) or proving his virility, etc ad nauseum.
 
Personal opinion - it's all horseshit.  If it's bad/wrong/evil/mentally ill/sociopathic for one gender to do so, it is that way for Either gender to do so - none of this double standard patriarchal hooey.


Peach, I don't think it's "right" for either sex to be engaging in such behavior!
I didn't know *any of this* about this woman until yesterday when I talked to her "former" best friend.
I always considered her to be a very attractive accomplished woman and had no idea about all this until that phone conversation last night!
It came as a shock to me.
Personally, when I've been involved with a woman I never strayed.
I think I owe that to the woman I'm going out with and wouldn't even consider doing something like that.
I've known many men who did and to me it made them look like fools, immature,and I certainly wouldn't "hang out" with guys like that as I find their "shallowness" extremely unattractive.
All of my Navy and Coast Guard buddies who I've stayed in touch with all these years and their wives are happily married and have been for years and years!
That's the type of guys I hung around and became friends with, real "standup" "solid" guys!
Despite my kinks I am, basically an old fashioned type of guy who believes in taking care of and committing myself to one (1) woman.
I'm the "always there" type of guy.
And yes, at the moment I am single and "looking."
I was just in shock because I thought I "knew" this woman.
Obviously I didn't!
I wasn't married at the time so I guess I wasn't a "trophy" in her eyes.
To me, people who do that kind of thing are mentally ill.
It's like talking to a real certified pathological lier which I've done before a few times knowing so ahead of time.
They have a "dead" look in their eyes almost as though they're not human and you're talking to one of those robots in that movie "West World" with Yul Brenner!
*VERY* creepy!
One told me that he was the owner of a large car dealership so a year later I needed a car and went there looking for him and they told me they fired him long ago and he no longer "worked" there! It was very embarrassing going in and asking for the "owner" Paul.... and being told the truth!
And this dealership was a good ways away from me too.
I wasted almost the whole day because of *his* sickness!
A few months later I caught up with him and grabbed him by the throat and slammed him up against a building and I hit him so hard I broke the ring on my right hand.
I absolutely *hate* pathological liars!
The application of violence and brutality is the only thing they understand.
It's the only thing they (can) understand. They get "sane" in a real hurry then! lol
I don't care if they're "sick", they need to be institutionalised and kept away from human beings permanently. Let them eat slop and live in filth.
The damage they do to people is immeasurable!
This Bernard Medoff guy is the perfect example of these kind of rotten bastards.
He's lucky he didn't take (my) money, they only have "private security" watching him.
With me what you see is what you get.
And some people don't like me or the way I do business and that's the way I want it. I wouldn't want them around me anyway.
I just don't understand how some people can live their lives in lies.
You think you know a person and something like this hits you right in the chops.

P.S. and if a guy tried that with my wife I'd kill the son of a bitch.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 1:25:39 PM   
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If you haven't read Mickey Spillane- start- you'll love his writing.  Both of you are coming from the same place.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 1:26:34 PM   
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You think you know a person and something like this hits you right in the chops.


I've had that happen - more than once.  Unfortunately for me, it's typically After I trust them that the mask comes off.
 
I don't consider it a mental illness though.  It might be for a FEW - but not for the vast majority.  I consider it a learned behavior which they were never broken of by the swift application of a good right cross to the jaw or knee to the nards.  They get away with it - and will Continue to get away with it - because we as a society have convinced ourselves that it's Not Ok to punish poor behavior.  Their behavior starts out bad and gets worse, and will likely continue to get worse throughout their life until someone actually gives them that sock in the jaw they deserve.  Male or Female doesn't matter - if the behavior is unacceptable, they need a swift kick.  And if they don't learn from the first kick - perhaps several more from a variety of people - until they learn not to do what's causing them to get kicked.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 1:35:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Peach, I agree!
And from what I got from the conversation yesterday at least 4 or 5 marriages have been destroyed because of this woman!
I mean wouldn't that bother someone?
You'd *have* to be a sociopath to not feel anything about that!

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 1:59:15 PM   
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Peach, I agree!
And from what I got from the conversation yesterday at least 4 or 5 marriages have been destroyed because of this woman!
I mean wouldn't that bother someone?
You'd *have* to be a sociopath to not feel anything about that!


The emphasis is mine - and it's there for a reason.  This is the one portion of your premise that I find - seriously Lacking.  It wasn't "because of" this woman that marriages were destroyed.  She may have instigated the final straw - but she wasn't alone in doing so - the Married Man who said "yes" rather than "no thanks" is equally responcible for instigating that Final straw.
 
The woman in question didn't sit back with a voodoo doll and boiling cauldron of newts' eyes and dragons' blood, chanting in some bizzare self created language in order to influence the Man's CHOICE to say yes.  She didn't hold a gun to his head - Either of his heads - and tell him "fuck me or I'll kill you."
 
Yes, I consider her an inherantly fucked up person who needs to have her teeth kicked down her throat - but ya know what, I consider the married guys that fucked her to be EQUALLY BAD PEOPLE WHO NEED THEIR TEETH KICKED IN........ and the wives that are blaming Her, rather than blaming Both, need to first have their Rose Colored Glasses bitchslapped off their faces, and Then get kicked until they wake up to Reality.
 
And right there - that sole item - that you, and their former wives and various mutual aquaintances - consider Her culpable but make no mention of how dispicable, rotten, underhanded and scumsucking the guys she slept with are - THAT is the true double standard.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 2:04:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Peach, I agree with you on that.
But, she is the one who initiated the action first.
Of course the guys could have and should have walked away.
But if she'd just been a friend and not done what she did these marriages might still exist.
It's the same for a male.
Innocent people were hurt because of someone else's mental illness.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 2:16:20 PM   
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Peach, I agree!
And from what I got from the conversation yesterday at least 4 or 5 marriages have been destroyed because of this woman!
I mean wouldn't that bother someone?
You'd *have* to be a sociopath to not feel anything about that!


Of course she doesn't feel bad! She knows that if they were decent guys, they wouldn't have taken the bait. She may even feel she did their wives a service in showing them what schmucks they were married to. In essence, freeing them. One thing is for sure, I bet she doesn't like men very much. Sex yes, but men, no.

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 2:37:26 PM   
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Peach, I agree!
And from what I got from the conversation yesterday at least 4 or 5 marriages have been destroyed because of this woman!
I mean wouldn't that bother someone?
You'd *have* to be a sociopath to not feel anything about that!


Of course she doesn't feel bad! She knows that if they were decent guys, they wouldn't have taken the bait. She may even feel she did their wives a service in showing them what schmucks they were married to. In essence, freeing them. One thing is for sure, I bet she doesn't like men very much. Sex yes, but men, no.


Tigresse, you're probably right there too.
I'm just in shock because I thought I "knew" this person and it turnes out that she'd been leading a double life.
It really makes me question my trust in others.
I knew a guy in the same situation and he died in his lover's apartment while evidently they were in the act of a heart attack and felt this same way then.
And *no-one* knew he was doing that kind of thing.
It was a shock to everyone!

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RE: Psychological Question - 1/19/2009 3:03:46 PM   
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Sassy, that may be true but absolutely not in the job she has!
She has a real "Alpha" job that many men look up to.


You have positive proof of this or is this just maybe a scam she's running?

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