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Termyn8or -> RE: bye bye Gitmo? (1/22/2009 8:04:49 AM)
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Why do people embrace and foment disagreement ? I've read little opposed to the closing of gitmo, but argument ad mauseum about why, and what to do with the prisoners.
Of course this is not the coming of the Messiah, it does not stop torture, but at least now the US is no longer sticking it's middle finger at the world saying "You can't do this but we can do whatever we want".
And for those with short memories, on the campaign trail Bush stated that he wanted to eliminate torture in the world. I guess Kerry isn't the only flip flopper eh ?
I am not going to bash Bush here, I don't like any of them, haven't for a long time.
All I know is opening a place like gitmo was a black eye to this countries image in the "rest" of the civilised world. It goes against every ideal we are supposed to embrace. My opinion might be different if they had actually come here and attacked.
The fact is Afghanistan attacked us, or actually a faction therein. There was no Al Quaeda in Iraq at the time. Saddam had complied with every ridiculous demand they made of him, and if he had moved the weapons of mass destrction out of Iraq, the end result is that they are not in Iraq. The only thing apparent to me that Saddam did not do was to shoot himself on command. Blix and everybody who went said no weapons.
As to what to do with the prisoners, here's an idea. The ones who won't talk, kill. The ones who do, return them to where they came from, where they will be seen as traitors. Because those who have something to talk about, were guilty.
Others have been known to do this. McCain was offered an out when he was a POW and didn't take it. Do you think the sole reason was some sort of integrity ? Oh yes that might have been part of it, but peers, comrades and even his Men might have some second thoughts. So part of the reason was to maintain his image, and also his credibility.
Was it wrong in that situation ? I'll not judge that at this time. I am not sure what I would've done, are you ? Don't even ask me what I would do if I were President, but I can assure you that closing gitmo would be pretty high on my list. It is like a cancerous sore on our ass, and needs to be put behind us. Maybe even moreso now that we are in econimic trouble and may be dependent upon the goodwill of other nations for a time.
And pulling out of Iraq, at least partially would be up high on the list as well. We cannot spend this kind of money forever. I doubt anyone who incited this attack has ever played a game of chess, at least competently. They probably play Risk, where the future is determined by a roll of the dice. At least that's how it seems to me.
Israel could attack Iran tomorrow if they wanted, why don't they ? Just obliterate the place, make a giant glass parking lot. We could go t Afghanistan then and do something similar. Iraq is pretty much secured, that's where alot of the oil is. Other oil countries have mostly been bought off, so just these few unfriendlies exist out there. Just do it.
This reminds me of an episode of the new Twilight Zone called "A Small Talent For War". The alien got a laugh when the UN produced a peace treaty, stating that were were bred to be warriors, and we are very poor at it. We are.
Here's some simple logic, if you invade a country, you either kill damnear everyone or you subjugate them to the point that resistance is practically impossible. If you don't do that you will have an ongoing problem. Trying to subjugate with the illusion of freedom is futile. Especially with our history.
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