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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/13/2009 11:46:06 AM   
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Miss AAkasha, I feel as if maybe you did not absorb the entire meaning of my post.  I read over and over that Ladies object when a new person comes in with a "I'll do anything you want." attitude - how in the world could they mean that?  They are new, have no idea of what they might be in for...

What I see here is the opposite scale of that submitting to anything female attitude, and IMO, a more balanced and frankly responsible approach.  I was new...I had really very little understanding of what submission meant, or how to go about it.  I needed someone to see that I was new, worth attention, and inspiration...

My Lady inspired my submission and made it safe for me to release that control.  I was new.  I needed that.  PforH like me, is new to D/s.  He appears to me to be expressing very similar feelings to what I had when I first got into this a few months ago.

As I said, it is a nuance, and one that some Ladies may not be willing to work with a new male to get over.  I suggest only looking for experienced subs in that case.  I (and PforH if I may speak for him) are not unique in being new, wanting to submit, but needing a safe space and a Lady that inspires that release of control in us... 


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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/13/2009 11:55:13 AM   
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What I see here is the opposite scale of that submitting to anything female attitude, and IMO, a more balanced and frankly responsible approach.  I was new...I had really very little understanding of what submission meant, or how to go about it. 



I understand what you're saying. However, there is a fine line between "balanced and responsible" and just plain vanilla. If you do not trust ANY domme to dominate a man sanely and responsibly, care for him as a person, explore BDSM with him slowly and respect his real limits, rather than the ones that are based entirely on his inexperience--then sorry, but I think you are not ready for BDSM.


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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/13/2009 1:25:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

What I see here is the opposite scale of that submitting to anything female attitude, and IMO, a more balanced and frankly responsible approach.  I was new...I had really very little understanding of what submission meant, or how to go about it. 



I understand what you're saying. However, there is a fine line between "balanced and responsible" and just plain vanilla. If you do not trust ANY domme to dominate a man sanely and responsibly, care for him as a person, explore BDSM with him slowly and respect his real limits, rather than the ones that are based entirely on his inexperience--then sorry, but I think you are not ready for BDSM.



It is not about trusting "ANY" domme...it is about the right domme inspiring that sense of safety and control that brings forth the submission in the male.   Submission is not simply given, it is inspired, IMO. 


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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/13/2009 5:59:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

It is not about trusting "ANY" domme...it is about the right domme inspiring that sense of safety and control that brings forth the submission in the male.   Submission is not simply given, it is inspired, IMO. 



*shrug* It is not inspired in those who are not inclined to it, generally speaking. And any man who is here posting with a male submissive profile should know where his own inclinations lie. If he's here, he should be here because he knows that he wants and possibly needs to submit. And he should be aware that when he submits, he will be surrendering his power and agency to another human being--perhaps only for a few hours for a night of playful passion, perhaps for a life time.

Yes, he should find someone trustworthy and inspiring. But there are analogous emotional and physical risks for a woman who enters into a BDSM relationship from the dominant's side of things. No, as a dominant woman I will not be attracted to just ANY submissive, and inspired to put my time and energy into just ANY submissive, either--even pro dommes are exclusive about who they take on as clients.

But we aren't talking just about the need to find someone special in whom you can invest your love and trust. We are talking about failure to accept the nature of BDSM in general, and the nature of dominance and submission in general, with the assumption that you can "bargain" with your own needs to make them less scary and risky.

You can't.

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/13/2009 6:36:36 PM   
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Well, I think it's quite normal that people, who are new in all this D/s relationship stuff, can't just give up all control to anyone, who will describe him/herself as a dominant.

But if "submissive" person (in this case, man) uses this natural caution of beginner as a excuse to being in charge all the time, than something's wrong. BDSM is all about giving up control to Mistress/Master. Those who can't accept that, should not declare themselves as a submissives. It's ok, if you are reasonable and sensible (it means you are mentaly sane and just care about your own safety).

But if a guy already is in a long-term, femdom relationship with a truly dominant woman, who invested her time and energy in him, it's slightly unfair to insure himself with his "limits list" again and again. How long should last this "searching for inspiration of submission"? Some men are abusing this words, because they don't really want to submit to woman. They simply want to fulfill their porn-inspired femdom fantasies, where "Mistress" is performing only these actions, which "submissive" wants her to do. So I'm not surprised, that Ladies are frustrated and don't want to engage in any relation with these so called "subs".

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/13/2009 6:44:23 PM   
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Peon, I'm confused by your post. I don't see anything wrong with just topping someone who bottoms, it can be really fun, and I've had a couple of longish-term (~ 1 year) relationships in which that's what we did, no D/s involved. I don't have a problem with people having limits, though most of the people *I* have been with haven't focused on that. I also don't have a problem with my partner making a request to try a specific thing, though most scenes are driven by my creativity/etc. I very much want my partner to enjoy it, at least on some level. A lot of people here seem to use "bottom" or "masochist" as an insult. If that's not what they want, fine, but submissives aren't at all superior to bottoms, IMHO. For that matter, someone can be a bottom in one relationship, and a submissive with someone else - it depends on the chemistry with the individual. If someone's main focus is on the "thou shalt nots" and "thou shalts," I'm unlikely to want to pursue a relationship with them, just because it comes across as prickly and defensive. If they have the exact same desires, boundaries, and limits, but express them in a respectful way that doesn't constitute the bulk of our conversation, and don't come across as demanding, I won't have any problem with them at all. It's a matter of approach and attitude.


I still think we're at cross-purposes, Andalusite.  Probably down to definitions of bottom/submissive.  I can't - really can't - get any pleasure from a woman going through the motions - some act that she's just doing for me.  But if I suggest it, and she loves the idea, then fine.  I don't use "bottom" or "masochist" as an insult.  The first - in the play-acting-only sense I use it (rather than your sense) can't do anything for me.  Masochism does. 

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/13/2009 8:24:08 PM   
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Subs want an ideal of a femdom that does what he wants her to do, in the manner he desires, in his comfort zone. If it requires risk, unpleasantries (early on) or things that - god forbid - might make him feel he has the potential to be exploited - then he bolts or passes with the excuse that some femdoms are scammers, therefore, he should not have to go down any path until he is good and ready. 

Akasha, I'll take that quote, if I may, as a starting point, in order to answer yourself and certain others.

This is where I am at the moment, and how I got here:

When I came to CM, I really had no idea that dominant women existed.  It was a delight - I was truly ecstatic - to find that they did.  I kept asking, in different ways, whether self-proclaimed dominant women were the real deal.  They said "yes".  I believed them.  I certainly believed you when you said, once, that your dominance was a given, ran deep down, well beyond any questioning.  That is true of my submissive feelings.  I've had them since my primary school days.  There would be no more point in myself, or anyone else, challenging me on their existence than there would someone trying to convince me that I don't have a nose on my face.  Moreover, I don't need a bible a biology book, history book, nature documentary, or a few articles in "Science Today" to validate it.  It's a feeling that's in me, ipso facto it's a natural feeling, and that's that.

During my time here, three entirely different feelings have grown.  One is the depth and extent of my feelings of submission.  They grew so fast it was sometimes a shock to my system.  The second feeling that's grown is a certain sense of caution.  I know - for a certainty - that in a relationship I'm going to put myself in a vulnerable position, emotionally most of all.  That's because I know how far my submission could take me.  That would be fine, of course, if I were absolutely to trust the dominant with whom I were to pair up and if I were also able to trust myself not to harm myself. 

I really do have to be careful.  Regarding trusting dominants - yes, I do have a few causes for concern.  Dominants have drives that I don't understand.  Even that's fine, so long as the dominant I get together with has the right level of affection - the right feelings that'll stop her harming me.  Some dominants I see writing here I know I'd trust without a second's hesitation.  Any remaining little doubts I might have had once have now gone.  Others, I have to say, have shocked me.  Frankly, I think they should shock any sub.  They should shock any dominant who cares for subs, as well.

Much more importantly, though, I have to know that I can stop myself from harming myself.  I couldn't rely on anyone else, no matter how much she might love me, to do that for me.  It wouldn't be fair to either to myself or to her.  That's one reason why I need my vanilla side to stay strong.  Though, of course, it's going to stay strong anyway, because it's part of me.

The third reason why I'm at the place I'm at now is that, to be blunt, I've just seen way too many flakings and failings to date.  I want a one-to-one, D/s relationship that will last and this kind of relationship seems to be the rarest of all. To me, something is patently wrong at a fundamental level.   I'm afraid that for me, that standard dualism, vanilla or D/s - is suspect on too many levels for me to accept any longer.  It might work for some as a way of resolving their D/s world view, but it doesn't work for me.  Fortunately, I've  become close enough to a few dominant women to feel pretty reassured, now, that I can transcend it. 

The main reason why these dominant women, these few good friends of mine, have helped me feel that I can make things work is by supplying the missing ingredient: affection - good old, vanilla-style affection, of friend to friend; the sort of affection I've found to be more reliable than any other short of that of my parents.  I've had enough relationships to know that affection can't always be taken for granted with a partner.  I'm sure we all have.  It seemed obvious to me that if I were to be with a woman to whom I've given over so much of my power  - and still more so if she and I were to take a sadistic/masochistic path - then I had to be sure she really would be capable of that affection. 

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RE: Inspiration / was Why is it that most Dommes want s... - 2/13/2009 9:12:04 PM   
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I can relate to a lot of what Andalusite says below. I don't 'force' anyone to submit; what I do is much more subtle. I strive to be the best me possible, and then those submissives who are attracted, make that attraction known. From there, its a dance. If he's inspired, and respects me enough, and has natural inclinitions for submission, likely I'll be in the Dominant role before long. Sometimes that's been a play relationship, because the chemistry for more just wasn't there. In that case, he was bottoming and I was Topping. We didn't have committments to each other, except during our time together.

I think new submissives don't have the experience to know what they don't know. Chemistry is chemistry whether power exchange or vanilla. Dominants inspire submissives, and not just because we claim to be dominant. Personally, I'd rather have a boy who wasn't inclined to throw himself at every woman who hints at being a FemDom.

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

Akasha, exactly - if I feel I have to practically pry his submission out of him with a crowbar, I'm probably not going to feel dominant when I am around him! Most guys don't push my D/s buttons (on either side) at all. I'm egalitarian/neutral with them in our general relationship, with a bit of leaning toward dominance/being in charge. Even if he does what I tell him to, I don't feel it's dominance on my part and submission on his unless we react to each other with that sense of him surrendering his will to me, becoming an extension of my mind and body. I don't need that, it isn't a requirement, but it's *LOVELY* when it happens, and while there is nothing wrong with bottoming, or having a kink for someone pretending to be in control while they do everything you want, it feels like an outright lie to call it submission.
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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/14/2009 1:55:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer  Sorry - I think I may have got the wrong end of the stick. 


There are several people in this thread who seem to have quite clearly gotten ahold of the wrong end of the stick, but you are not one of them and neither is Otter. You two guys are making perfect sense and giving a very good accounting of yourselves, and to the extent that either of you two are confused, it's probably because some of the people with whom you're arguing have gotten this thread so twisted around it's almost impossible for anyone posting in it to understand what anyone is saying - including themselves. Don't worry about it, man, whatever confusion there is here is not your fault.


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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/14/2009 4:49:06 AM   
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I agree Panda. The fact is, some things are right for some people, many things are not right for many people.

Then again, there is my second sig line inspired by threads like this.

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/14/2009 8:44:11 AM   
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I started this thread over a week ago and I was just reading some of the posts for the last few days. Now I have forgotten what the thread was originally about. I never thought it would turn into this. I have heard alot of useful things though.

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/14/2009 9:24:08 AM   
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I started this thread over a week ago and I was just reading some of the posts for the last few days. Now I have forgotten what the thread was originally about. I never thought it would turn into this. I have heard alot of useful things though.


Good question.  The way I remember it is most women put the topic line in their profile only because they don't want to support a sub.  The funny thing is somehow it turned into a money Domme thread even though at that time there was a money Domme thread in the forum which has since dried up.  That's when I just started reading the first line of every other paragraph.  Who should pay.  Equality between Dommes and sub.  Name calling.  Mod11.  Subs want to top.  I don't know, not much of a meeting of the minds I think.

Most of us probably aren't that far apart. Trust is something that takes time and some need to take smaller steps than others.  Not everyone is trustworthy but we are all driven to take those steps and we will if we can find someone.  Sub have limits and can be safe if they find someone who cares for their wellbeing.  I don't think it has to be so complicated, but I'm not saying it's easy.

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/14/2009 4:13:58 PM   
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PeonForHer, I've never heard "bottoming" to mean "playacting with a top who doesn't want to do what he or she is doing." I thought it just meant the person "getting" pain, bondage, or other BDSM activities without a power exchange involved. I don't understand the generalised feeling of submission without having a person that the submissive is reacting to/feeling it toward. I know that some people just feel submissive all of the time, but I have trouble relating to it, and prefer people who feel submissively toward me in particular. It's not that I'm the only one they ever could feel that way toward, but that they aren't looking for a generic woman or react to everyone equally.

Otter and SthrnCom4t, I very much agree with submission being inspired by an individual person, a reaction to/interaction with them. There are lots of people I trust a lot, but don't feel submissive toward.

Otter, I don't expect a "no limits" approach. If they are new to D/s and/or BDSM, I figure it's more along the lines of, "I'm very interested in exploring, but I need to take things slowly. I need you to be patient with me while I discover what I actually like and dislike." Or, even if they don't explicitly say so, I'll take that approach with them (I've been with several guys who were interested in kink, but hadn't had an opportunity to try it. I don't even mind them politely asking for specific things, as long as they aren't too pushy too quickly, and they are things that I am interested in as well. However, when they demand I feel certain emotions or reactions I get grumpy.

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/15/2009 11:24:35 AM   
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Why would I want somebody who's a financial burden? What on earth is dominant about the fact that I have to pay his rent and feed him? Not for me!

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/15/2009 12:31:14 PM   
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What on earth is dominant about the fact that I have to pay his rent and feed him?


His dependence? 

Honestly, thinking back to the original post and the original issue, with none of the intervening issues: if I had the ability to cover my boykin's expenses completely while he is going to college, I think I would do it gladly.  I don't do it because I can't, not because I won't.  I suspect that if money were more freely available to most dominant women, they would be more relaxed about supporting their submissive partners and achieving a higher quality of life for the household--just as Akasha does.

As for me:  as long as a person is productively and positively occupied in his or her life, the dollar value of income doesn't mean a lot to me.  It's not that I have expensive tastes or a lot of material desires.  I just work very hard on my artistic and academic pursuits, and I don't think I would be very compatible with someone who doesn't take his own goals seriously.  It's also good if we have some goals in common, something we work toward as a team.  Building our play space, saving up for and planning vacations and trips, etc....these are good things. 

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/15/2009 1:24:49 PM   
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He should depend on me and not my wallet or bank account, I don't do well sacrificing what I want because I need to pay for him.... It might work for some, it just doesn't work for me.

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/15/2009 1:42:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AngelicaGoddess

He should depend on me and not my wallet or bank account, I don't do well sacrificing what I want because I need to pay for him.... It might work for some, it just doesn't work for me.


I don't understand why there is a disjunct there. What is relying on "you", and why does it not include your "wallet or bank account"?

If a boy is looking to be with a Domme purely for financial gain, I can understand why you wouldn't want be with him. That's not conducive to happiness for most people.

That's not what Shakti's talking about, though. We're much more to each other than just our sexual roles; I don't know that there's a word for us, since we're not married and "boyfriend/girlfriend" sends some opposite signals (I'm loath to say "lovers" because it seems kinda pretentious but...whatever. We're lovers.) We both take care of each other.

It's not that I don't want to work, or be productive; I liked being able to pay for groceries and bills and luxuries before I lost my job. And I'm still working towards larger goals, like getting a degree and building a career in the arts. These are things we've both weighted in more ways than their financial gain. Not to mention I still cook, clean, and provide emotional support for my Mistress.

There is a difference between being driven and productive in realms other than finance, and being an empathic vampire of a bottom.


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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/15/2009 1:58:54 PM   
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I believe things are a lot different if you are in a relationship and each partner is doing his or her part or if you are looking to get into a relationship and you would be a financial burden, been there and it gets old very very fast.

I like to be able to provide for myself and I expect the same from a partner, now if he is doing something for me that would cost me money, it's a fair deal, if he'd lose his job, yes I would support him. However there seems to be a trend that subs want and expect a lot without being willing to do their part.

I mentioned it a while ago, I met somebody online and we decided to play, I thought it would be fair if I get all the supplies (he was mainly into medical, and nope, certain things I will NOT use again, hygiene first) and he rents the space, he threw a fit and decided that since he brings his body, I should pay for the supplies and the location, I told him to take a hike.

I'm not trying to make money but I am also not up for being a cash cow.

Would I be looking for a partner, being financially stable and secure would be one of the requirements, not because I want what is his, buy simply I don't want to worry about his finances, I worry about mine, they are my responsibility, I'm not too keen about worrying about somebody elses finances. Simple as that.

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/15/2009 2:39:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AngelicaGoddess

He should depend on me and not my wallet or bank account, I don't do well sacrificing what I want because I need to pay for him.... It might work for some, it just doesn't work for me.


What I was getting at earlier is that I think this would be much less of a hot button for most women if they had enough money that it really WASN'T AN ISSUE to have to "sacrifice what they want" because they need to pay for him.  Many men make enough money that they can easily have their own material needs met AND support a partner and even a family as well.  This is what it means to be the "breadwinner" in the household--which is perhaps easier to do if you're a man in our society, given that on average women are receiving 80 cents on the dollar for equal or greater labor.

I can't help but wonder whether the fact that women make so much less money on average than men do tends to skew the results that might come up if things were absolutely equal.  When a woman hears about a man with no money, she immediately cannot help but think of him as a "burden"--rather than a luxury, a trophy or a treat that she should give herself because she wants and deserves to own her very own slut. 

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RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "... - 2/16/2009 2:36:59 PM   
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For me, reciprocation can be in a variety of ways.


I agree. I have made some references to reciprocating at least the spirit of gesture. If the gift represents good will and sincerity, then that is the spirit of gesture which may be returned through a similar gesture or different gestures.

In my opinion, what I describe applies to most social relationships. Usually it is not that when one extends a warm gesture, one starts a stop watch to see when that particular gesture is returned. However, if there is an imbalance in gestures or good will flowing in the two directions, one begins to notice, and it affects what one is then willing to extend. I think what matters is the overall balance. Each person has a role in whether another is satisfied in the relationship (at whatever stage) between the two.

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