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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/19/2006 11:37:19 AM

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Again good point Desert Rat.

I am sorry if you got nothing from the dialogues, I mean that.

One thing I saw was the sarcasm and insults from several posts. I was impressed with the maturity. To me it just makes my stand stronger. The real versus the imagined. Soap operas are fiction, this is not .

For me there are several things I have learned. Have a good day and quit reading the posts on this thread , that goes for all who don't like or agree with what is being said. The mature thing is to walk away. Don't you agree. Unless there is another agenda .

Thanks for the advice, but I'll keep reading.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/19/2006 2:45:21 PM

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I think there is definate merit, in reading about the psychodynamics of living in a power exchange relationship, rather than the 'how to flog someone expertly technique thread'.

But this is a very public display of how not to behave as a human. If its all true, then im not sure i understand why this is not in the hands of the lawyer, or some very large friends. If it is not true, then its entertaining in the way that Gerry Springer shows are.

What i have learned, from reading this thread outside of the the 3 involved: how drama orientated some people are. How my life is seemingly dull compared to this story thankfully. Who is quick to jump into the mud pit and stir, who have been objective throughout. It has given some insight in the psyche of the respondants.

I know that real life is sometimes more bizzarre than fiction.

One of the things that stood out earlier, was how when 2 of the originals relationship was in difficulty, they involved another. Bad mistake!
If the energy between two people is poor, that should perhaps of been sorted, before including outside influences.

I have learned that for me, now, just like before, poly is a rather crap situation.

My belief that people who know of child abuse and do not stop it in its tracks - dead - are abusers themselves. Guilty by their own inactions.

I hope that all 3 have a good outcome in this thread. But i serioulsy doubt it.

Disassociative Disorder/MPD - only in a country that exports Tricia, Gerry Springer etc are such claptrap diagnosis given credence.
Canada, Europe, Australia, UK, dont allow clients the opt out of responsibility, that this diagnosis permits. Its a true Americanism. At its best!

good luck you 3, i think whatever the truths, the outcomes, you will need it.
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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/19/2006 3:37:27 PM

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::snore::
zzzzzzzzzzzzz....

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/19/2006 4:40:39 PM

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I have learned that for me, now, just like before, poly is a rather crap situation.
Disassociative Disorder/MPD - only in a country that exports Tricia, Gerry Springer etc are such claptrap diagnosis given credence.
Canada, Europe, Australia, UK, dont allow clients the opt out of responsibility, that this diagnosis permits. Its a true Americanism. At its best!

Well, one - this was not a poly situation.

And two - Although this maybe your opinion of poly, posting such was not warranted.

You're monogamus and thats fine but don't try to take this pathetic situation and say it's an example of poly or Americans. That just shows the idiocy of the one posting.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/19/2006 6:39:58 PM

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...but don't try to take this pathetic situation and say it's an example of ... Americans.

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In the U.S. (and to a much lesser extent in other English-speaking countries, like the U.K. and Australia), it was widely believed that sex and Satanic abuse were rampant and that they often caused MPD. More people began to suspect that their psychological problems were caused by childhood abuse and that they had MPD.

However, as the stories told by clients grew ever more bizarre, as the number of people claiming MPD spiked, and as public prosecutions of daycare workers began to seem to some like Salem witch trials, the public at large grew less accepting and more hostile to stories of recovered memories, ritual abuse, and MPD.

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Not only is DID centered in the U.S., it is centered in a few practitioners. Many mental health professionals claim that they have never seen a patient with DID. This concentration of diagnoses seems suspicious to critics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

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So what exactly were you saying again, Bud?

So yeah, I call bullshit. This *IS* an american problem, and offensively so. We live in a right-wing manufactured culture of fear and hypersensitivity to what are literally insane christian viewpoints. Seeking out and people dreaming up hundreds and thousands of instances of "ritual abuse" - and for which the FBI itself can find no evidence - is absolutely nuts.

See also:
http://skepdic.com/satanrit.html

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/19/2006 7:57:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44
...but don't try to take this pathetic situation and say it's an example of ... Americans.

Begin quote:

In the U.S. (and to a much lesser extent in other English-speaking countries, like the U.K. and Australia), it was widely believed that sex and Satanic abuse were rampant and that they often caused MPD. More people began to suspect that their psychological problems were caused by childhood abuse and that they had MPD.

However, as the stories told by clients grew ever more bizarre, as the number of people claiming MPD spiked, and as public prosecutions of daycare workers began to seem to some like Salem witch trials, the public at large grew less accepting and more hostile to stories of recovered memories, ritual abuse, and MPD.

...

Not only is DID centered in the U.S., it is centered in a few practitioners. Many mental health professionals claim that they have never seen a patient with DID. This concentration of diagnoses seems suspicious to critics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

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So what exactly were you saying again, Bud?

So yeah, I call bullshit. This *IS* an american problem, and offensively so. We live in a right-wing manufactured culture of fear and hypersensitivity to what are literally insane christian viewpoints. Seeking out and people dreaming up hundreds and thousands of instances of "ritual abuse" - and for which the FBI itself can find no evidence - is absolutely nuts.

See also:
http://skepdic.com/satanrit.html

As I said and am still saying, this situation is not representative of Americans, "bud". Try to actually read what is stated, not just what you want to see in it.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/19/2006 9:40:02 PM

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How is a situation localized to the U.S. not representative of Americans? Are we have some kind of stupid disagreement over the meaning the word "representative"? Perhaps, it's atypical - but it is still a largely U.S. specific problem. The diagnosis for DID is happening here and not elsewhere to any real extent. It's a kind of U.S. specific cultural hysteria.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 5:50:22 AM

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Ok Desert Rat, Why read if you disagree? Hmmmm makes one wonder the intent, doesn't it. This is a public board.
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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 6:01:40 AM

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Sirandlittle1, great post and thanks.

A good part of this summed up in a nutshell

Would it not be great if all of mankind's nature could be summed up in 8 pages of dialogue. This is a very abbreviated version.

My goal is to simply get possesions back. Legal action has been physically taken. On advise from professionals the suggestion was made to perhaps resolve the issue to avert time and money as there are issues of distance. I am a careful type and most of what I do is documented and saved.

On a lifestyle point , I have read more fluff then meat. I perfer meat. For the record LOL I have never seen an eposode of jerry springer. I dont watch any network television. I believe it is created and directed at the mindless masses for capitol gain. I would rather be the shepard then a sheep.
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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 6:11:48 AM

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Ok Desert Rat, Why read if you disagree? Hmmmm makes one wonder the intent, doesn't it. This is a public board.
Dragon

So you only read if you agree?

as for the OP - stop whining... you got yourself in this mess now you have to get out of it the best way possible. It's your doing, and as an adult you should be responsible for your mistakes. What is preventing you from going back to get your belongings? Physically going, with your Master, and getting back your stuff. Can't it be that simple? Have they told you that they will not give it back to you or is this something you are assuming?

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 6:16:17 AM

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This is for Chaingang and MrDisipline44

It is good to know that there are still many narrowminded in our midst. Without the likes of you impeding social progress, the core capitalist world machine would lose huge amounts on money.

Like the beating of the dead horse, if you don't either like the thread, agree with the thread, or want to be constructive, don't read it. I have seen " the 3 of us" called names in a childish fashion from people not involed. I assume if you like to spend your time bashing someone, go to a mosh pit or take up boxing.

What a pathetic attitude to throw stones, break the window, and never think to repair it.
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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 6:25:48 AM

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Great point.

I did go 1000 miles to retreive my slaves items, after agreement was made of their return. Sadly people tell untruths. So now lond distance action has started which is costly. I do not care about items such as clothing, trinkets, and the like. The items are personal writings, family memorbilia, gifts from kids.

I assume nothing. As the old addage goes assuming makes an ass out of me and an ass out of you.

I am hoping to not have to spend a great deal of money and possible public embarrasment to retrive personal items that have no value to the person who has them.

As for the posts of my slave phoenix I have explained in an earlier post my sentiment on this.

I am amazed at how many here have just taken shots with no remedy. Thank you for adding and suggesting a solution. That to me is maturity.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 6:41:31 AM

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On advise from professionals the suggestion was made to perhaps resolve the issue to avert time and money as there are issues of distance. I am a careful type and most of what I do is documented and saved.

You had an attorney advise you to play out your little psychodrama on an internet message board? I'm not sure I would use that attorney..again.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 6:50:12 AM

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I know this advise is stupid now but a password protection on your files in future will protect you from this ever happening again. i'm not entirely sure how the slave system works but I'm sure even a master cant make you take it off.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 6:56:53 AM

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Ok Desert Rat, Why read if you disagree? Hmmmm makes one wonder the intent, doesn't it. This is a public board.
Dragon

Yes, my behavior sure is strange, isn't it? Sticks out like a regular sore thumb. I'm just so bizarre.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 7:12:21 AM

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Gigglebob good advise. The other master has the acual hard drive sitting in a damaged machine. I simply want the hard drive.

And Desert Rat excellent sarcasm and wit. Sadly you missed my point. If you would like message me and I will glady explain it. Or do we all just take shots in public and never get to the real deal.To bad you see me as an enemy. I am not.

BeingChewsie, all I can say is whew.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 12:03:25 PM

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what's your definition of "meat"? People post about lifestyle issues all the time on here--techniques as well as feelings/issues. Both are just as valid and just as important as the other. You're mistaken if you think the only "real" drama ever played out on here is yours. One comes to mind of a sub and mistress who each didn't know the other was posting about their relationship. i'm sure there's many more.

Take legal action, get your relationship sorted out, get the stuff back, move on. It's not that complicated to do. Arguing back and forth on the thread doesn't get you any closer to getting her possessions back--which, wasn't that your main goal in the first place?

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 9:28:15 PM

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lets see first we end up saying this was about a woman just gone nutz then a master who is abusive then back to a woman who is bi polar i feel like i am at a tennis match then back to a master who manipulates then back to lets get the legale team are people just this stupid that people are just to much about boring drama its good thing i have my hippy waders on cause this shit is as deep as it gets but as i said in the first part of my post there is things on both sides of the fence i guess my question would be whats best for all parties involed seek leagle advice and go from there its time to think of the kids and others
just my point of view

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/20/2006 9:56:25 PM

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Gigglebob, it's a good suggestion. However password protected files do not a returned computer (or hard drive) make.

The issue was that a person had not returned another person's computer with her personal files and information.

If we want to learn a lesson from that, then we would all be backing up our information onto external hard drives and putting those hard drives in a safe place, say offsite with a good friend or in a safe deposit box. True, it's a pain in the a$$ to get collect the external drive, and do weekly back-ups, but if the information is priceless, it's worth it.

Best of luck to the original poster on getting her personal stuff back where it belongs, with her.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 9:25:53 AM

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can anyone be so completely blind.
"What do you mean? Can you explain this comment just a bit, please?"

To the OP if this is the whole story, instead of making up excuses for your behavior and part in this, own up to the fact that you made a really bad mistake.
"There's always more to the story... always.... and I'm not sure what you are talking about where I'm making up excuses for my behavior and part in this....? I have no idea what you are talking about. I went there, I was a good slave, I got to the point that I couldn't take the environment anymore... the Master uncollared me (true, he was only saying it to manipulate the alpha slave but words are words, and words mean things)... and I left... I don't see the problem with that."

You had poor judgement and part of the consequences might be that your physical items are lost.
"The only poor judgement was that I should've planned better to get my stuff out of there when I left. And in case you haven't noticed.... I'm stressing about the therapy journaling information I've painstakingly typed out since 2001. Being diagnosed with DID/MPD and having your entire life, childhood, family, your mind and heart.... being turned upside down and inside out... a journey that was scary as shit... and to document all of it.... I can't replace THAT! But in the end, if this man destroyed those journal records... so be it. The alters can easily share all that information with me again, probably word verbatum... but I did want to keep the record of the dates things had happened and etc."

And It will be a good lesson for you to remember in the future.
"You are absotely right on that one!"

I used to work with battered women, instead of complaining about losing the material items..be glad you got out of there alive, if indeed you were truly being abused.
"I'm so glad you wrote this... another person who made one of the first few posts, complained that they were tired of all the people running around screaming ABUSE! ABUSE!, and I gave that a LOT of thought.... I believe I was wrong for saying that this man was being abusive when he hit me with the crop like that... yesterday I checked and even after going to a tanning bed 3 different times, that section of my thigh is STILL grey... and it's been over a month, I believe...
true, the punishment was a really hard one.... but I was disobeying a direct command and that was my punishment.... that would be within the boundaries of the lifestyle... that would then not be abuse....

but as for everything else on here... that is NOT within the lifestyle to my knowledge... so that still stands as I had set it here."

As far as your "sister". If she doesn't leave then there is nothing you can really do about it. I suggest you focus on your own life, remembering your poor choices and move on.
"You're right. And I am doing that.... as soon as I get my stuff back."

Don't play the victim, you had a role in this as well.
"I'm not playing the victim... I just want my stuff back. It's not valuable... the computer is garbage, it's broke, I just want my personal information from the hard drive. And my child alters' stuffed monkey... personal stuff like that. This man is keeping the monkey because he knows it will keep a link between him and the child parts of me. Same for the other things he's keeping."

"Thanks for posting this message, by the way".

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