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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 9:35:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

people who are emotionally unhealthy have no business getting involved in relationships....

mistoferin, I've got to ask.... is this comment sarcasm?

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 9:38:51 AM

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*waving at Emerald....
I wondered what took you so long to show up... I was getting worried about you... glad to see you're still floating around and all is well with you... *smile

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 9:50:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

This Zaynub/Phoenix person is apparently not at all mentally well, even by her own account. Now this is my view only, but an ethical Dominant should have rejected her for that reason alone. I don't know how Poly plays into this precisely - but no one needs another submissive so much that a person with some kind of known mental condition should come under consideration as a possible partner. In my own case, I would consider a person with a mental problem perhaps unable to consent properly to anything we might wish to do together. So I'd give her the boot the moment I found out about such issues being a problem for her. It's as simple as that. And I wouldn't consider it being cruel to or dismissive of her, but a kindness instead - whether or not she can see it as such. Some things must take precedence over the urge to boff someone, yes?

So there's nothing "normal" about having adult relations with someone with a mental condition unless you don't know about it somehow. If you know about it, it's just taking unfair advantage of a disadvantaged person. No one is that desperate, I hope.

Chaingang, I find your message here quite delightful. I didn't check to see how old you are but I suspect you are a young adult. FYI, no one is perfect and many people (even ones that you know in YOUR life) most likely have a mental/emotional/mood/personality issue of some type floating around somewhere in their little brains.

When I first entered this website long ago, the very first thing I did was to share that I have DID/MPD... and for that... I got slammed a bit... but I handled that storm well.

You are mistaken about something important... my DID/MPD has made me (and makes me still), a BETTER person/wife/slave/friend/mother/daughter/employee/etc., not a worse one. It's BECAUSE OF my personality condition that 99% of the people who know me in real life love me and want me around them, not the other way around.

The "parts" of me... make me multi-talented... I am more patient, sensitive, loving, forgiving, understanding, blah, blah, blah and stronger.... than I would've been if I did not have this condition. This Master wanted me BECAUSE I'm multiple.

And hey, I never said I wasn't "mentally well", if you take the time to read up on DID/MPD you will find out that the opposite is true... I'm TOO mentally well, that's actually the technical goings-on here.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 9:57:34 AM

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hahaha... latexbaby... you're funny... one thing I did have a problem with is determining where to draw the line on being a good slave... here's the situation... I go there totally primed to be the best, most obedient slave a Master can have... I do a great job of that... he reassured me of that...

but when the tasks begin to get harder... like being commanded to lie on a continual basis to the alpha slave... or give the Master a ton of attention like hanging all over him when the alpha slave is around, knowing it is breaking her heart terribly....

would a good slave still obey the Master? or no?

I know this is a personal decision... but weighing this out ethically and morally... I say 'hell no'... but I truly want to obey the Master... what do all of you folks think about this?

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 10:05:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Well from one who has also been in the lifestyle for many years AND spent many years as a domestic violence counselor....
What has been been presented here is NOT typical.

People who escape a situation such as has been presented, people who claim to have been in such fear.....are generally pretty thankful they managed to get out intact and don't generally bitch about the shoes they lost in their run out the door. Phoenix's accounting and her seeming motivations simply do not add up.

"been in the lifestyle for many years AND spent many years as a domestic violence counselor? And this is NOT typical?" Uhmm.... ok, if you say so.

ANYTHING can come up in a domestic violence situation, counselor.... wouldn't you agree? And isn't it taught that you should never deny to a person stating their abuse claim, that they have been abused?

I hope you didn't tell one of your counselees that they are bullshitting when they were sitting in front of you, telling you of their situation that YOU would have a problem imagining happening to YOU.

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Now I don't know the facts and can only go by what has been presented here....

Point noted...

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 10:06:49 AM

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petwolf you are exactly correct.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 10:11:28 AM

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to latexbaby

take another nasty pill your judgement is starting to wear thin

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 10:17:37 AM

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"been in the lifestyle for many years AND spent many years as a domestic violence counselor? And this is NOT typical?" Uhmm.... ok, if you say so.
ANYTHING can come up in a domestic violence situation, counselor.... wouldn't you agree? And isn't it taught that you should never deny to a person stating their abuse claim, that they have been abused?

Actually Phoenix....nowhere in this thread did I say that you were not in an abusive situation. As a matter of fact, I said repeatedly that I could not determine what the truth of this situation is and all I had to go on were the words posted on this thread. What I *DID* say was that this is NOT *TYPICAL*....and whether you like it or you don't...it's NOT.

My suggestion to you at this point would be to pull back from this thread and let it die....both you and your Master. This is serving absolutely no purpose...not to mention it is immature and tacky to be airing all of these very personal things in this manner. I suggest that you find a way to work this out between the parties involved and if that can not be accomplished peacefully then pursue the other legal avenues that are open to you.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 10:20:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: gbgirlz2003

But what we DO have is a person who showed up at a strangers house with a library of her past and current mental health problems. The male in question knew this and still allowed her into his house. IMHO, he needs to go back to dom school...lol.

Many of you have missed some things... this Master wanted me BECAUSE I have DID/MPD... he told me to bring ALL of my possessions with me, ESPECIALLY my history/medical/therapy notes... actually, our Master/slave relationship was mostly about the 'mental aspects'... it's true that we didn't spend a long, long time messaging, chatting and talking on the phone... but we were both sure we wanted to pursue a real life relationship as Master/slave and we did.

Prior to me going there, he did communicate with and got to know many of my alters... when I was there, he did relate with some of them... that is what he wanted to do... and I was ok with that.

As for him "allowing" me into his house? No, that's not accurate... he was so happy he finally found a multiple... he was very happy and excited about me being there... and so was I.

I learned that even though he and I were both very prepared for the relationship, both of us made some serious mistakes regarding what transpired between him and many of my alters. But, live and learn.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 1/21/2006 6:57:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

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ORIGINAL: Sirandlittle1
I have learned that for me, now, just like before, poly is a rather crap situation.
Disassociative Disorder/MPD - only in a country that exports Tricia, Gerry Springer etc are such claptrap diagnosis given credence.
Canada, Europe, Australia, UK, dont allow clients the opt out of responsibility, that this diagnosis permits. Its a true Americanism. At its best!

Well, one - this was not a poly situation.

And two - Although this maybe your opinion of poly, posting such was not warranted.

You're monogamus and thats fine but don't try to take this pathetic situation and say it's an example of poly or Americans. That just shows the idiocy of the one posting.

Manners cost little, you have forgotten yours. A uneducated personal attack on a stranger, does not show you in a good lightI am not a idiot, that particular medical diagnosis was sticken from the record when replaced with imbecile, and so on and so on, until now, its called intellectual dissability. I do not posess this either, i do however, have manners. MDP has been changed in the DSM4 just like idiot was changed, its being tempered by global pressure. Although other countries recognise disassociative state as a phenomena of ego splitting in many psych disorders, it is not recognised as a diagnosis even in america now. Disassociative Disorder will follow it down the drain too im sure.

'Bud', were we to take subjective opinion from this thread, or any other, it would be empty. My opinion of poly (subjective desciption below) is that it is fraught and a very difficult situation to attain peace within for all. ie. crap. My opinion therefor, warranted, or not, was sought by invite, when this originally was posted.

If a slave, goes to live as a beta, with a master and a alpha slave, as described, is that not a poly relationship?

I stated that this is a example that poly was a crap situation for me. 'For me' being the qualifyer that i am indeed always going to be right. annoying as you may find this.

I stated it is a americanism, when i was pertaining to the DID or MPD, as that particular diagnosis is only given credance in america, ergo an Americanism.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 9:33:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: MstrHellsFury

although very personal and private information on my family has been splashed across this thread.....

Fury

confirmation... thank god.

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ORIGINAL: MstrHellsFury

not once did I ever...nor will I now....say anything negitive about this person.....

Fury

true, it is in your own best interest...
~ other potential slaves will not want to go to you if they read that you were saying negative things about a slave you had and lost, thinking you may do the same thing to them and it also minimizes your liability with any legal items that may turn up from past slaves, eh?

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ORIGINAL: MstrHellsFury

sorry for all that want a big bang ending from me....there's no story here

Fury

.... said the little boy in front of the cookie jar with crumbs all over his face... you're right, no big bang ending... not yet anyway... you work on things for yearsssss.... I remember what you said...

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 9:57:53 AM

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Holy shit, what the hell is all of that??? If that isn't schizophrenia, I am the Queen of England

It's called Dissociative Identity Disorder... many people have it and don't even know it... AND they appear just as "normal" as you... if you are interested to learn more about it, you can always look it up on the net.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 10:00:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

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Holy shit, what the hell is all of that??? If that isn't schizophrenia, I am the Queen of England

The Queen? Now don't you start!

Bob

LMAO, Kneel peasant subject!

oh oh sorry, alter lapse there

LOL... Queenie... every good queen knows it's not nice to use negative pet names for her royal subjects... *tossing Queenie my "Ruling For Idiots" book...

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 10:02:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Actually Phoenix....nowhere in this thread did I say that you were not in an abusive situation. As a matter of fact, I said repeatedly that I could not determine what the truth of this situation is and all I had to go on were the words posted on this thread. What I *DID* say was that this is NOT *TYPICAL*....and whether you like it or you don't...it's NOT.

My suggestion to you at this point would be to pull back from this thread and let it die....both you and your Master. This is serving absolutely no purpose...not to mention it is immature and tacky to be airing all of these very personal things in this manner. I suggest that you find a way to work this out between the parties involved and if that can not be accomplished peacefully then pursue the other legal avenues that are open to you.

Lord thank you for mistoferin......

this thread should of died ages ago... been buried, redug up, and made to carry on. For God sakes.... enough already

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 10:14:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

it doesn't really say much about the person except they are creating drama... maybe because of illness, maybe with intent to cause it, maybe some other reason.

Knight Sir? I loved the 2 posts you made on here... I may come across as being dramatic because I am a natural writer and I see things in great detail... many items that most others miss... and I can describe them using all the details I have seen...

as for creating drama on this website? If I wanted to do that... I would've picked something more fun and pleasurable... not something that encourages stress...

there are so many dramatic and fun adventures I could've created on here... that many of the folks here would've gotten a big kick out of, would've laughed and talked about for months... no one stressed, no one hurting... but I won't even do that... I'm not interested in "creating drama"...

many folks have told me that my life seems so dramatic and exciting to them... too much so... too much to the point that they don't believe 1/2 of what I'm telling them....

I'm so happy for those people. I have tried for years to make my life as normal and boring as I could get it to be (to reduce the level of stress)... but the way my mind works, I have not been able to accomplish that goal...

I haven't given up... I weigh everything out... and I try to make decisions that will bring a peaceful existence... but I also don't want to make it so peaceful, I'm living with one foot in the grave... where is the healthy balance for a person with a mind that things quickly and in great detail?

I'm not sure, but I believe I'm moving just a little bit closer to finding that spot as the years roll on.

It's true that I made a poor choice when I decided to move in with a Master and his family, when I did not take the time and effort to get to know him better IN REAL LIFE, face to face.... not over a computer or a telephone... I am sincere and honest... I took him at face value... it as a mistake... one that I know I will never repeat again...

brushing off red lights... to preserve the illusion of finding a Master who appears to be a sub or slave's perfect sub-space counterpart...

grabbing and investigating every red light that quickly flashes across my screen of vision... THAT is what I need to practice the most, I believe.

Thanks again for making your posts on this thread. It was very nice to read that some consider various parameters that any one given person may be operating with. And your open-mindedness was refreshing. *smile

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 11:43:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

Holy shit, what the hell is all of that??? If that isn't schizophrenia, I am the Queen of England

Pleased t' meetcha Yer Majesty!

It would be indicative of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). Schizophrenia is the "voices in my head" thing, not the many people in one head thing.

*looks up and whistles quietly... saying nothing about Charles... or Arigus... or The Beast.. *

Actually, "voices in my head" is also an MPD thing, Geoff, Sir...

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 11:44:58 AM

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MPD would be what Sybil had?

yes, and also Walt Disney

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 12:07:01 PM

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I make this note to hopefully help other subs/slaves who find themselves in a situation that is similiar to mine... leaving a Master's house out of fear and finding that any/all of your possessions are being kept by that Master.... (kinda like harvesting the fields that you plant and cultivate)....

I understand the protocol of the slave's possessions belonging to her Master.... but in the circumstances where the Master had informed the slave that verbal/physical abuse does not go on in his household... but after you are there a few weeks, you find that this is not the case... and get yourself out of there.... I don't think the protocol of a Master keeping the slave's possessions should apply....

that's more like tricking someone...
1. he shows that his house is a safe one for you
2. you go there with your stuff
3. the house is NOT safe because of him
4. you leave quickly
5. he says "AHA! I can keep your stuff!" hehe

Nah.... that's stupid. That sounds more like a playground bully pretending to be friends with someone and then beating them up on the school playground to take their lunch money. What the heck kind of mastery does THAT take??!

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 12:10:26 PM

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Lord thank you for mistoferin......

this thread should of died ages ago... been buried, redug up, and made to carry on. For God sakes.... enough already

I feel like I am beating a dead horse. If people do not like, agree with, or are offended with a topic don't read it.

I like constructive affirmation or critisism, but to simply bitch because of the context of the post is pointless.

Of course I look for the usual "slam" of this observation and opinion. All points of view are the spice of life.

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RE: A Master Who Steals - 2/4/2006 12:17:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: MstrHellsFury

could she come at once to be a companion to my wife and a SERVANT to me.....(for any wishing to know...her profile reads as she is....looking for bi-fems)

I wonder... is there any reason why the word 'servant' is used, instead of the word 'slave'? I was MstrHellsFury's slave, not servant. Then again, maybe they are interchangeable in the lifestyle? And really mean the same thing? Anyone happen to know this?

When I went to be Master Fury's slave, I knew that the alpha slave was straight. I went there for him, to be his slave. Period. And he knows that. The fact that he had an alpha slave (either straight or bi) was a side detail and had nothing to do with the relationship that he and I had.

I don't know he would feel that it is relevant to detail the "servant" word or the "bi" word in this post.

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