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Vendaval -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 5:42:04 AM)

But was it also a taxidermy shop?




DesFIP -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 5:49:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

1/2 cup olive oil
2 tablespoons fresh lemon juice
1/3 cup minced fresh parsley
1 clove garlic
2 minced shallots
1 teaspoon minced basil, thyme or oregano, or mixture
Salt and pepper to taste
Combine all ingredients and let set for at least 2 hours before serving.
rub on the noms then broil to liking. mine until the blood pools. its amazingly good, and makes for killer roast veggie stuff too, mix with some broccoli and cauliflower and broil at the same time as the steak, be super soft and have an incredible taste.



I tend to just use olive oil, lemon juice, garlic, salt and pepper for a marinade. I'd more likely add the rest of it if I was sauteeing mixed vegetables.




rexrgisformidoni -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 5:59:19 AM)

you should try it, its more of a rub




Termyn8or -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 7:18:56 AM)

fr, so don't look at the "reply to"

aravain, finding out were are in Cleveland almost made me invite you over, until you mentioned ketchup. There is not a drop of it in my house, maybe he has some downstairs. When I cook steaks I use about a half bag of charcoal, and get it to within about ΒΌ" of the steak. Now that makes for a good philly rare, or as it's also called black and blue. But when it reaches my plate I want it touched by only two things, fire and salt, and I mean organically harvested unrefined seasalt. If it doesn't taste good like that, I need to find a better place to buy meat.

Of course a couple of times, all wild and drunk I cooked up about a hundred bucks worth of filet mignons and we acted like they were snacks. Nothing with it, just grab one and bite. A bit expensive, but I never gave a rat's ass about the cost of good food.

Someone mentioned grilled asparagus. We get it fresh and fry it in butter and garlic. Damn good with steak.

I have a technique on the grill I'll let you in on. I can make my steak black and blue while making everyone else's medium rare or whatever. The secret ? The bag might say "spread the coals evenly" but that doesn't work. I have a HOT side and a cool side on my grill. My steak sits there raw on a plate until everyone else's is just about done, then it goes on. What I do is pile it up in a corner so I have a hot spot. Each one goes on the hot spot for a quick searing. Then the others are moved for fuller cooking to the cooler spots. Mine is done after the searing. Hopefully it catches on fire at least twice - WITHOUT cooking the inside.

Problem is we used to do this every weekend all summer and got tired of it. Believe me, I don't care what kind of food you are talking about, you can get tired of it. I mean we always had extra as well,  if someone showed up we could fix them up one. Neighbors stopped over and so forth. Sometimes they would notice we still had about twelve pounds of charcoal burning and just wanted to throw their burgers and stuff on. No problem.

Before that, and like in the winter we always had a roast, got tired of that as well. No matter how good it is ...... I mean we are not just talking a garlic rub here, we are talking stabbed meat and cloves of garlic injected into the cuts. Black gravy, the taste of which is unimaginable to those who've never had it. Peeling potatoes for the spuds ? hell no, leave the skins on. We are talking some good eating, but if you get tired of it, you are tired of it.

And the topic says steaks. Sorry Jews, Arabs, whoever, but I've cooked pork JUST BARELY done. Probaly not even legal. The flavor is fantastic. Using a meat thermometer on a steak is not easy, so you pretty much have to know what you're doing. But the results, oh boy. Actual pork flavor, I guarantee that it has been a while since most people have tasted it. It is exquisite. Very minimal if any spices, just mainly salt and pepper. That's all it takes.

Most pork you eat is severely overcooked. That works out because it breaks down the albumen and makes it very tender, when you fry or grill pork it is not so tender, but I have teeth. I actually like using them from time to time. I like cheap steak sometimes as well, it doesn't all have to be tenderloin.

But then if I want a T bone I look for proterhouse. If I want a steak actually cooked for a change I'll look for a rib steak, with the marbling of fat throghout it does have a better flavor, but is generally not suited to cooking black and blue.

Of course none of it has the flavor it should, for that I'll have to take a drive out to Amish country before they all leave. They are leaving you know. If you have ever bought anything from an Amish farm, you know this is a loss. They are actually talking about leaving the country now but I know not for where. I consider it a loss because I have tasted the difference.

Bon appetite.

T




Crush -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 8:31:14 AM)

Wagyu beef.....arrglhhh.... (Ask B.O....he will tell you it is well worth the price!)
Kobe is where the Wagyu cattle come from, but now they are raised in the US as well

Or I will take one that Capital Grille sells...their aged beef kicks.  Craft Steak for Wagyu.

And wagyu tartare melts in your mouth and explodes with flavor....

Dang, I *gotta* get back to Vegas...or maybe trek up to Atlanta...





Termyn8or -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 8:45:16 AM)

Wagyu ? Never heard of it. But now tartare, isn't that raw ?

Might have to look into that, because I know a damn sight better than to traipse down to the local grocery and get meat and try to make tartare out of it, that is if I want some beef flavor.

Wagyu eh ? Have to look into that, might even have cookouts here again !

T




Aynne88 -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 8:54:27 AM)

Termy, Wagyu beef melts on your tongue, honest to god.  I like tartare as well, we ate at Anthony Bourdains place, Les Halles in NYC and had his, omg it was so good, even with the raw egg on top. But, if you haven't tried a really quality beef done in a carpaccio style you really should. It is raw as well, but not ground like tartare, it is paper thin slices, usually fanned out and served with accompaniments like sea salt, olive oil, balsamic, baguettes, whatever you like. I like it better than tartare personally, and if you get a nice like fist sized filet, roll it in freshly cut herbs, then wrap it tightly in saran wrap, and put it in the freezer. When it is hard, but not rock solid, take it out and use your sharpest knife, and make thin thin slices, and you can make it yourself super easy.  Yummmm....I want some raw beef now damn it![:)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpaccio




aravain -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 9:57:13 AM)

haha, the amount of ketchup I use is practically nothing, enough to add another flavor :D I litterally dip the tithes of my fork in a little bit right before picking it up.

I only put ketchup *on* the steak if it's a bad steak [:'(] even then, though, it's still steak so I'm still happy [:D]

I understand not having it in your household, though! It's not a very, uh, refined condiment >.> and most people tend to go overboard (myself heartily included)




TheHeretic -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 10:16:39 AM)

    I have never been able to comprehend ketchup used with steak.  Heinz 57 perhaps, if you get a lower quality piece of meat, a little barbecue sauce to the side if you don't have time to soak a london broil in marinade.

    On the other hand, how do you banish ketchup from the condiment selection?  Fish sticks are easy and quick sometimes, but they NEED ketchup, dammit.




aravain -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 10:27:39 AM)

ick, I can't do steak sauce... it makes me kinda want to puke [:'(]

fish sticks aren't refined themselves :P They're the perfect thing for ketchup! As well as bad fries and such.




BigSi2009 -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 10:34:11 AM)

A nice bit of medium rare rump for me, probably leaning towards rare.  I like it with grilled tomatoes and mushrooms.  Then lots of Dijon mustard (of the dark brown variety).

On the subject of steak though, I had shark steak last week at a nice little restaurant in Blackpool.  I wasn't under the impression they had shark off the NW coast of England and so I hope it wasn't from the local sea life centre!




Crush -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 12:54:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

Termy, Wagyu beef melts on your tongue, honest to god.  I like tartare as well, we ate at Anthony Bourdains place, Les Halles in NYC and had his, omg it was so good, even with the raw egg on top. But, if you haven't tried a really quality beef done in a carpaccio style you really should. It is raw as well, but not ground like tartare, it is paper thin slices, usually fanned out and served with accompaniments like sea salt, olive oil, balsamic, baguettes, whatever you like. I like it better than tartare personally, and if you get a nice like fist sized filet, roll it in freshly cut herbs, then wrap it tightly in saran wrap, and put it in the freezer. When it is hard, but not rock solid, take it out and use your sharpest knife, and make thin thin slices, and you can make it yourself super easy.  Yummmm....I want some raw beef now damn it![:)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpaccio


Way so true....melts and tantalizes every taste bud....  carpaccio, oh yes..... had it at Alize in Vegas.(Great place in the Palms.  They have an excellent wine cellar that has 1/2 bottles as well !)

Wagyu info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagyu 

Dang, and I had buffalo wings instead today.

I gotta get back to Vegas!  Some of the best restaurants in the world.......

NB:  Wagyu and Kobe come in different "grades" too....Grade 5 is, well, heaven on the tongue....






LaTigresse -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 1:10:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     Ribeye, kissed with fire just beyond the help of a good veterinarian.  A potato with the bottom skin a bit charred from the grill.

    Paradise.


Get's my vote. But I must add, I have to know who raised it and who butchered it. Which I do, and I always have a deep freeze of beef. Add some fresh corn on the cob, or morels, a big glass of sun tea and follow the whole thing up with some made from scratch, still warm, fudgy brownies and you have a summer, weekend meal at the farm.

I also have to add that a whole pork loin cooked on the grill is to DIE for. And, for the person that boo'd a sirloin would eat her words, and shoe leather, if she had one of the sirloins in my deep freeze, grilled to perfection. ANYONE that eats a steak more than medium rare or dares put ketchup on one, is not allowed to eat a steak from my grill. Sacriledge.

All of the above MUST be Iowa products!!!

I have been in some of your other states, our hamburger is better than your high end restaurant steaks and your corn on the cob tastes like over boiled field corn.

I am spoiled.




aravain -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 1:23:29 PM)

~FR~

I just had waffles...

and they were amazing.

I felt like I needed to announce this, and I didn't know where to but here. Theoretically I could have made a thread called 'waffles' but that'd clutter things.

And yes, they MAY have been better than any steak I've ever had... maybe. I haven't had steak in too long to remember, properly.




Vendaval -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 3:20:24 PM)

La T, you could have a second career hosting farm style bar-b-ques, picnics and dinners. 
 
Round these parts most of the grocery stores carry beef from Harris Ranch which is a great local company.

http://www.harrisranchbeef.com/aboutus/story.html






LaTigresse -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 4:02:24 PM)

Vend, I could if anyone around here would actually pay for it. The thing is, it's rather common here. We are very spoiled in rural Iowa when it comes to the quality of food we have available. Especially our pork and beef. Then of course, the summer crop of sweet corn.

Also our farmer's markets are fabulous during the summer. Another interesting thing I discovered while visiting California, even though so much produce is grown there, the quality available in the grocery stores was worse than we get here. Almost as though they sent the best stuff out of state for sale and kept the sub par.

If I could create a little resort for people from out of state, cooking what we take for granted here, I would love it. However, not many people consider rural Iowa as a vacation destination.




Vendaval -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 4:12:21 PM)

Right, some of the local farms and orchards here have apple picking and pumpkin patches and hayrides.  And the better produce is frequently sent out of state for sale. 
 
Do you have any & breakfast places around there? That is one possibility for paying dinner guests.




TheHeretic -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 5:01:10 PM)

    LaT, I'm not sure we could make it work, but dammit, I want to come live with you.  Sweet corn...  I think I've found good sweet corn here once in the last five years. 

   Grilled, with a bit of cedar in the coals....

  




Coldwarrior57 -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 5:55:27 PM)

Ribeye, BLUE  ( 128 Degrees in the center) good quality blue cheese on the top.
Asparagus , sauted in olive oil, coarse salt and pepper on them. perhaps some aoli on the side.
a petite shiraz, and a good looking woman to share it with!




SilverMark -> RE: steak (2/8/2009 7:13:12 PM)

Now that Wagyu beef is grown in the states it is a tad bit more resonable in price but, not much. Craftsteak at  the MGM Grand last I had it but, will be hitting CraftAtlanta soon.....worth the price...there is nothing like it!




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