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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I know of one instance that was a real blackmail that wasn't financial. But in your example..the slave coulda walked away from that debt unless there was paper or even still...declare bankruptcy.

He was 40something, she 19 in cites across the same state. For months online camming etc. They never met realtime...until...

She recieves an envelope (P.O. Box) of the pics he had saved. Shows her naked, toys, insertions etc. Letter reads that if she didn't want them all over town, meet him where and when...a small, cheap no-tell motel nearby.

She is petrified...complies and upon arriving he grabs her from behind, cloth with a dab if chloroform, drousy, he take her into a room, ties her to the bed.

He disorbes her and proceeds to peform oral sex on her and for some time. She now swears she has the best daddydom in the world.

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ORIGINAL: strangedesire

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I know of one instance that was a real blackmail that wasn't financial. But in your example..the slave coulda walked away from that debt unless there was paper or even still...declare bankruptcy.

He was 40something, she 19 in cites across the same state. For months online camming etc. They never met realtime...until...

She recieves an envelope (P.O. Box) of the pics he had saved. Shows her naked, toys, insertions etc. Letter reads that if she didn't want them all over town, meet him where and when...a small, cheap no-tell motel nearby.

She is petrified...complies and upon arriving he grabs her from behind, cloth with a dab if chloroform, drousy, he take her into a room, ties her to the bed.

He disorbes her and proceeds to peform oral sex on her and for some time. She now swears she has the best daddydom in the world.

Replace that last sentence with several paragraphs about the ensuing legal investigation and messy criminal proceedings, and I'll buy it. 

To the OP:  I got quite a few of those emails when I first signed up.  I never even considered replying - at the time, it seemed that they could be scammers as easily as men into things that are Not My Kink. 

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Tavane wrote: Non-financial blackmail is a common theme in net sissy stories, where the sisters/mother/girlfriend takes photos and threatens to show them at school unless the boy obeys her/them. That's probably not illegal [...]

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A simple contract that the slave acknowledges that the mistress loaned him $50,000 or whatever at a casino, and the debt will be re-paid by him depositing his paychecks into her account, and she'll charge him X for room and board, but that will be foregiven if he does all the clearning, cooking, laundry, and other tasks she desires, and obeys her until the debt is repaid in full.

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I'm sure there are lots of ways to "enforce" slavery [...]

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MrRodgers wrote:
He was 40something, she 19 in cites across the same state. For months online camming etc. They never met realtime...until...

She receives an envelope (P.O. Box) of the pics he had saved. Shows her naked, toys, insertions etc. Letter reads that if she didn't want them all over town, meet him where and when...a small, cheap no-tell motel nearby.

She is petrified...complies and upon arriving he grabs her from behind, cloth with a dab if chloroform, drousy, he take her into a room, ties her to the bed.

He disrobes her and proceeds to peform oral sex on her and for some time. She now swears she has the best daddydom in the world.

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AAkasha wrote:
Anyway - if you take the FINANCIAL element of it ("pay me xx or I will expose you by sending these humiliating pics to x, y and z") and turn it into just erotic button pushing/threats, do you consider it a viable, effective domination kink on any level? I personally have not found interest in it, in its true form, as I consider blackmail on any level to be unethical (and illegal)[...]

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I think to be done effectively, any kink that involves a "mind fuck," (a threat to do something that seems absolutely real) ultimately loses it's zest the moment a sub realizes you are all bark and no bite. Because of the nature of blackmail, I can't ever see it being more than bark - at least in my book.

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marie2 wrote:
Well, I'm a person with a blackmail kink, and I've spoken a couple of times on this topic before, but people usually come by and go absolutely apeshit over it speaking about how immoral and how illegal and how disgusting it is.  But when you get right down to it, it's no different than someone wanting a rape scene or a kidnap and interogation scene, or even the more common stuff such as a beating, which would be considered assault in the non-consentual world.

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ORIGINAL: beeble

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marie2 wrote:
Well, I'm a person with a blackmail kink, and I've spoken a couple of times on this topic before, but people usually come by and go absolutely apeshit over it speaking about how immoral and how illegal and how disgusting it is.  But when you get right down to it, it's no different than someone wanting a rape scene or a kidnap and interogation scene, or even the more common stuff such as a beating, which would be considered assault in the non-consentual world.

There's a clear difference between blackmail, on the one hand, and rape and kidnap on the other.  If I consent to somebody having sex with me, it's not actually rape.  If I consent to somebody tying me up and taking me away in their car, it's not kidnap.  If something goes wrong and it ends up in court, consent is a defence (albeit that convincing the jury that consent existed might be difficult).

But consent is irrelevant to the crime of blackmail: as soon as somebody makes the threat, they're committing blackmail.  If the matter came to court, there would be no defence.  That kind of thing puts the dominant at a lot of risk.

Beating is similar in that, under English law at least, one cannot consent to being assaulted.  On the other hand, I'm not aware of any convictions outside pretty extreme cases and I think the legal system and the population at large are much more aware of the idea that people enjoy consensually spanking each other than they are aware that people might consent to this kind of blackmail.  I think blackmail is much more dangerous for the dominant than `ordinary' beatings.

There's also the issue of third-party consent.  The threat inherent in blackmail is to reveal information to some third party but, almost by construction, that person has not consented to being a party to your BDSM activities.  After all, asking somebody, `Would it be OK if I showed you incriminating photos of Fred at some point in the future, if he doesn't comply with my demands,' is itself a fairly incriminating act, and, depending on that person's imagination, might even be more incriminating than the photos themselves.

beeble.

[Edited to fix borken quoting.]

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marie2 wrote:
And I'm definintely not a legal professional, and unless you are, I'm not apt to take what you're saying as correct facts.

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The point I was trying to make is that all of these activities in the real world would be illegal:  Rape, kidnap, assault, blackmail.  I don't think there's any question there, even amongst laymen.

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So any or all of these activities as a created bdsm play scene  are on the same exact par.  They are all "actions" that would be otherwise illegal if played out against someone non-consenting in the real world.

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As far as the "third party" consent in your blackmail scenerio, it would never actually happen in the created bdsm scene, because that would end the whole thing, so there wouldn't be a problem of involving someone else.