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Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 3:56:53 PM   
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In today's society with its laws and judgmental media it is difficult for some of us to act out some of our deepest and darkest fantasies. People are forever frowning upon BDSM for various reasons the most common that I have found is that they do not understand the lifestyle nor do the choose to attempt to understand the lifestyle. This is only part of the problem. The other half is that some of our deepest and darkest fantasies are illegal. Now we may consent to them but what happens when something goes wrong? What would you do if your local law enforcement agency happened to accidentally intervene? Would they still press chargers or would they listen to the fact that everyone had consented in the scene and agreed to all the conditions before hand?

Now that I have your attention and I have you thinking I would like to ask that you take the time to read the scenrio and tell me if you think it would be at all possible. Excuse if I go into detail but I can't help it sometimes.

It's a cool spring day and Master has arranged for his sub to be kidnapped and raped. The sub knew of this before hand however, she was not aware of when it would happen. it has been a month since T/they discussed it. Master has his most trusted friend wait around the corner from where His sub worked. The friend sneaks out, covering the subs head with a black non-seethrough cloth of some sort. He drags her into his waiting van where he proceeds to handcuff the subs wrists and bind her ankles, while placing duct tape over her mouth to muffle her screams. After she is bound and left without the ability to scream he cuts her clothes from her all the while not saying a word to her. The sub does not know if this is what Master and her had discussed or if what is happening is real and the act of strangers. Arriving at their destination, the man subdues the submissive and drags her into the Master's apartment. The smell of the apartment is unfamiliar and the only sound she can hear is the footsteps of her captore carrying her through the hardwood floor to who knows where. After being thrown on the ground, she finds that a knife is being to her throat. Screaming, she begins to shake as her Master mounts her from behind. Gripping her head the Master begins to pound her as his other hand holdss the knife against her throat, pressing just hard enough to leave a faint mark but not to draw blood. After Master has gotten off he unblindfolds His submissive and tends to the aftercare and insuring that she has not been emotionally scared.

In today's society could someone pull this off?

To the Master's: how would you go about planning something like this?

To the submissives and slaves that choose to answer: What would you do in such an instance?
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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 4:36:11 PM   
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quote:

To the submissives and slaves that choose to answer: What would you do in such an instance?

I would pinch and then punch myself so that I could wake up and get on with the reality of living



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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 4:44:06 PM   
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quote:

n today's society with its laws and judgmental media it is difficult for some of us to act out some of our deepest and darkest fantasies. People are forever frowning upon BDSM for various reasons the most common that I have found is that they do not understand the lifestyle nor do the choose to attempt to understand the lifestyle. This is only part of the problem. The other half is that some of our deepest and darkest fantasies are illegal. Now we may consent to them but what happens when something goes wrong? What would you do if your local law enforcement agency happened to accidentally intervene? Would they still press chargers or would they listen to the fact that everyone had consented in the scene and agreed to all the conditions before hand?

I'm one of THOSE people that think S/M has come to FAR out into the open. What I mean by this is exactly what you have written....yearssss ago S/M was not so "out" and people did what they do. I also believe that in some instances it is a great thing that we can be this open.....but at what price? you have a submissive that gets pissy and decides to turn the tables and call the authority.....or God forbid something DOES go wrong.....so is this the price we pay for being that "OPEN" that "PUBLIC"? what a quandry.

As far as law enforcement getting involved. In a good deal of States, if a submissive woman (for instance) has marks from a scene and a friend of hers sees them and disagrees with what happened, that friend may call the law and they will step in to investigate.......consentuality at this point is a moot point. Now before anyone gets their panites in a bunch, I am not saying ALL States, but it does happen, people provide links here that show this, the local news shows this. Is there a solution? I don't know. I do know that it will not stop me from practicing how I play or how I live. As with most things.........we take a risk.

Much food for thought.....


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Now that I have your attention and I have you thinking I would like to ask that you take the time to read the scenrio and tell me if you think it would be at all possible. Excuse if I go into detail but I can't help it sometimes.

It's a cool spring day and Master has arranged for his sub to be kidnapped and raped. The sub knew of this before hand however, she was not aware of when it would happen. it has been a month since T/they discussed it. Master has his most trusted friend wait around the corner from where His sub worked. The friend sneaks out, covering the subs head with a black non-seethrough cloth of some sort. He drags her into his waiting van where he proceeds to handcuff the subs wrists and bind her ankles, while placing duct tape over her mouth to muffle her screams. After she is bound and left without the ability to scream he cuts her clothes from her all the while not saying a word to her. The sub does not know if this is what Master and her had discussed or if what is happening is real and the act of strangers. Arriving at their destination, the man subdues the submissive and drags her into the Master's apartment. The smell of the apartment is unfamiliar and the only sound she can hear is the footsteps of her captore carrying her through the hardwood floor to who knows where. After being thrown on the ground, she finds that a knife is being to her throat. Screaming, she begins to shake as her Master mounts her from behind. Gripping her head the Master begins to pound her as his other hand holdss the knife against her throat, pressing just hard enough to leave a faint mark but not to draw blood. After Master has gotten off he unblindfolds His submissive and tends to the aftercare and insuring that she has not been emotionally scared.

In today's society could someone pull this off?

YES! they can.....and YES! they have!


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To the submissives and slaves that choose to answer: What would you do in such an instance?

Drop to the floor weeping, kissing His boots and thank Him!

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 4:46:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lovemetomorrow

In today's society could someone pull this off?


Yes. It can has been pulled off effectively and to great delight all around. However, sometimes the crash from these scenes make them not worth doing. I would say that if one has any doubts, don't.
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To the submissives and slaves that choose to answer: What would you do in such an instance?


Valyraen tried something along these lines on a smaller scale. It was great fun to see my martial arts training kick in and the realization that, had the blunt edge of the knife not been towards me, I would have gone to the hospital for stitches. All I saw was a blading coming at me... I blocked it. Happily, I wasn't carrying a weapon at the time so I didn't have to take Val to the ER either.

Emotionally, should something like this suceed, I believe I would respond as though it were real and feel violated. He was planning on letting me know it was after he got the knife at my trouble - we know now I need to be expecting the attack at a reasonably preciously time.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 4:54:37 PM   
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It may add to the "realness" to do the abduction in a semipublic place, but it makes it MUCH riskier.  Why not abduct at home?

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 6:14:16 PM   
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Yes it's been done. C has a pedovan.

Don't be an idiot, if you want to do it, do it in an unpopulated area. Common sense is a bitch sometimes.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 6:15:49 PM   
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I think rather than abducting from a public place where the law would be more likely to get involved due to accidentally nonconsentually involving others in the kink, doing it at home as a break in or having it set up from involved, consenting  friend's home might work better. Just my thoughts. Trying to convince the officer that you wanted it could lead to problems that could have been prevented by small adjustments to compensate for that eventuality.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 6:29:52 PM   
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Agree - police will deal with what is perceived by others, and act accordingly.  And if they didn't they would be not doing their job.  So it would be better to not involve them by abducting away from work.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 7:19:54 PM   
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There was some recent discussion here:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2398478/tm.htm

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/11/2009 8:04:02 PM   
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Oh I hope it's possible because it's way up there on our to do list.
I don't know details. I don't want to know details.
I only know that it will happen at one point in the future.
Thank God for deviant men and their desires.

My reaction...I'd fight like hell and probably be one big mindless puddle of turned on pussy.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 12:37:04 AM   
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I agree with whoever said make it a break in, not an abduction. You can make it just as hot, if not more so that way, without the risk of unknowing police getting in the way. of course, this only works if you have a key, you don't REALLY want to break a window or kick in the door... do you? Wait until she gets in the shower or something, let yourself in, turn off all lights (or kill the breakers) position yourself back against the wall next to the bathroom door, and when she walks past all naked and dripping wet throw one arm around her arms and chest, one over her mouth and tackle her onto the bed. done right, she wont even notice you standing there, if she does, hopefully you reacted quick enough that she doesnt know for sure its you. obviously this is best done when shes not expecting a visit.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 3:50:27 AM   
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It's possible to 'kidnap' off the street with a hundred passerbys, it's also risky as hell. The odds are someone will take pics with their cell phone, the kidnappers will be found, and all involved will be charged with wasting police resources or some such charge. And yes, there is a law applicable to this.

Get a key to the house/apartment, enter in the middle of the night, bind and gag and carry out in a rolled blanket after threatening if she moves. Take her to a strange place and go at it.

Emotions felt will be the ones felt if this was a real kidnapping. Expect emotional response not to magically and immediately disappear when the blindfold is removed and she discovers who the kidnapper is. Do expect her to be scared and not able to play at near this level for a long time. Do plan to be there, giving reassurance for as long as it takes.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 5:49:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domcypher

I agree with whoever said make it a break in, not an abduction. You can make it just as hot, if not more so that way, without the risk of unknowing police getting in the way. of course, this only works if you have a key, you don't REALLY want to break a window or kick in the door... do you? Wait until she gets in the shower or something, let yourself in, turn off all lights (or kill the breakers) position yourself back against the wall next to the bathroom door, and when she walks past all naked and dripping wet throw one arm around her arms and chest, one over her mouth and tackle her onto the bed. done right, she wont even notice you standing there, if she does, hopefully you reacted quick enough that she doesnt know for sure its you. obviously this is best done when shes not expecting a visit.


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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 6:24:55 AM   
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It is possible, I did it with a ex male slave of mine. It was pulled off very nicely.

I just had a weird thought though. What if this happened and the sub/slave found out
later that their Owner had nothing to do with this? That it was indeed a REAL rape done
by criminals? Can you imagine the emotional trauma? Sometimes you have to be careful
what you wish for as you just may get it.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 7:41:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lovemetomorrow

Now that I have your attention and I have you thinking I would like to ask that you take the time to read the scenrio and tell me if you think it would be at all possible. Excuse if I go into detail but I can't help it sometimes.

It's a cool spring day and Master has arranged for his sub to be kidnapped and raped. The sub knew of this before hand however, she was not aware of when it would happen. it has been a month since T/they discussed it. Master has his most trusted friend wait around the corner from where His sub worked. The friend sneaks out, covering the subs head with a black non-seethrough cloth of some sort. He drags her into his waiting van where he proceeds to handcuff the subs wrists and bind her ankles, while placing duct tape over her mouth to muffle her screams. After she is bound and left without the ability to scream he cuts her clothes from her all the while not saying a word to her. The sub does not know if this is what Master and her had discussed or if what is happening is real and the act of strangers. Arriving at their destination, the man subdues the submissive and drags her into the Master's apartment. The smell of the apartment is unfamiliar and the only sound she can hear is the footsteps of her captore carrying her through the hardwood floor to who knows where. After being thrown on the ground, she finds that a knife is being to her throat. Screaming, she begins to shake as her Master mounts her from behind. Gripping her head the Master begins to pound her as his other hand holdss the knife against her throat, pressing just hard enough to leave a faint mark but not to draw blood. After Master has gotten off he unblindfolds His submissive and tends to the aftercare and insuring that she has not been emotionally scared.


A perfectly boilerplate "rape scene", I guess.

My advise? Make sure you trust this woman and your ability to keep "the scene" away from public eyeballs, or you could easily be in for more than you bargained.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 8:18:26 AM   
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You take the same chance as waving a toy gun around in public.  You risk being taken down if caught and to explain it later.  Up to the law if they believe it enough not to press charges.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 9:49:50 AM   
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As odd as this may sound.  That is something that as a Dom I would love to do and really wouldnt think twice about it however I would make sure that I got a video tape of the sub explaing everything before hand as in like an interview like format (kind of like a Dr. Kavokian type thing. I would then have the video tape or DVD or whatever or at least a copy of it placed in an easily viewable area of the van that way if I was arrested they would of course autmatically take it as evidence.  I would video tape the whole thing... the hunt / the abduction / the play rape because hey... that would be one hot tape. I would also make sure that the place where the play kidnapping was going to take place had no parking lot survellance cameras that could cause a police investigation to be launched after the fact. I would also have the play rapists tested and the results placed on file as well as make them wear condoms durring the rape which is kind of lame but believe it or not I think if there was any kind of legal action as a result then it would prove that the welfare and protection of the woman being play raped was being acounted for as well as keeping Osha Fed charges from being filed against me. I would also make sure that anyone carrying a weapon had a permit for if required. The point is .... play safe and keep your ass covered as much as possible and be willing to spend a few days in jail while the police figure out what the hell really happened and you would have one hell of a video tape...lol.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 10:08:01 AM   
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I agree with keep it away from public eyes. You never know who is near and with camera phones its to easy. Most people that would witness that wouldnt think twice of calling the police so I doing it at home is your best bet, with an actual consent other than verbal. ie: written, video/audio. Using anything that can harm the other person that would result in injurys is not a good idea, accidents can happen. Common sense always prevails

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 10:20:25 AM   
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You take the same chance as waving a toy gun around in public.  You risk being taken down if caught and to explain it later.  Up to the law if they believe it enough not to press charges.



Somehow, I find making the public inadvertently part of a rape scene will be a little harder to dismiss, especially when the acts and biological evidence match line for line, and the only difference is expressed consent—a precarious security to rely upon with some "creative" types of personalities.

I would add people have been shot by police for waving around a toy gun, too.

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RE: Would this be possible? - 2/12/2009 10:27:23 AM   
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Somehow, I find making the public inadvertently part of a rape scene will be a little harder to dismiss, especially when the acts and biological evidence match line for line, and the only difference is expressed consent—a precarious security to rely upon with some "creative" types of personalities.

I would add people have been shot by police for waving around a toy gun, too.


Both are dangerous situations.  I don't imagine a 'take down' would be pretty if a cop (or a passing vehicle) notices a gal tied up and gagged in the back of a van.  No cop is going to ask him politely to step out of his vehicle like it is a routine traffic violation.  Expect a SWAT team or a weapononized intervention of some sort.

Not to mention going off into woods or properties that you do not 'own' and having hikers or lil ones on a bike trail being exposed to something that they believe to be life threatening and just outright frightening.

It is a bad idea in general IMO unless you are on private property the entire time.

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