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Gallstones ??? - 2/14/2009 4:44:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not so sure. This pain would send 99.9% of the people to the ER, but not me.If you know me you know my commitment to self healing and the subsequent study thereof. I have stated that I do not go to doctors and I have had a hard time this last week keeping to my word.

Symptoms were chronic fatigue and coldness, no appetite at all. Strange, but the only thing I got out of bed for was to check on CM and piss. I did not eat between Sunday and Tuesday. I slept almost all the time. There developed a severe pain in my left side, which I cannot attribbute to any accident or anything, I don't think it was a rib problem (details available on request).

The pain got unbearable anytime I would cough or sneeze, and I lost some work over it. I was not functional. Bending over was pure hell. However then my buddy shows up and want to get some food from my favorite eatery, and brings some Mother nature.

After three bites from a sandwich, it started feeling a bit better, a few tokes, a beer here and there. I think I really got some REM sleep last night. It was bad, and I have to admit it almost beat me, but right now it is looking pretty good. I am eating almost normally again and the pain is subsiding.

Now I had a buddy who I think had pain on the left side, and wound up having his gallbladder removed. I pecked around the net though and found that what they say is that is on the right side, but do they mean as they look at you or do they mean you ? It is on my left side, if you looked at me it would be on the right. Did I misinterpret this ?

Whatever it is, I seem to be on the mend, most definitely. Also gallbaladder problems frequently cause pain in the front of the abdomen according to the websites I looked at.

I was getting to the point where I thought I really couldn't handle it and was considering my options as far as actually going to an MD. But I was also ready to get my affairs in order, if you can understand my philosophy. Hell no I won't go.

The question is, what happened ? Did I possibly pass some stones ? Kidneystones are way worse I would think because they eventually wind up in the urinary tract, no fun for either gender. But what exactly happens when you pass gallstones ? They go into the small intestine underneath the stomach. Is this possibly what happened to me ?

Any other ideas on what this might have been are welcome, I am not completely convinced that it was gallstones, but I think it may have been. I have noticed people have mentioned gallbladder problems before and if stones, I would like to hear about the symptoms.

In the last couple of days there has been quite an improvement, I actually played a bit of piano today. I feel much better then I did last week.

However this left/right thing leaves me wondering if it wasn't something else. The pain was near the bottom of the ribcage on the left side. If anyone knows I would like to know.

Please don't tell me to go to a doctor, if you knew me you would know that ain't happenin. It almost did, but I won apparently. Someone mentioned kidneys, but I think they are farther back. What organ is on the left side of my body in that spot ?

I just want the info to do my own further research, if someone can nail it, I will pay special attention to what I need to not have this happen again.

I have internet access to Google, I don't need forty links. More personal experiences with gallbladder problems or whatever it was I may have had would be desired. Going to a doctor is not an option until I have better than a 50/50 chance of dying. Your opinions and comments are welcome, as long as you don't tell me to go to the doctor.

I did not say what I said in jest, I will not go. It is not an irrational fear IMO and nothing anyone can say will change that. Anything else is welcome, other than that, just move on. This is my life and will live and die it on my and my creator's terms, if any.

It did test my resolve though, it was pretty bad. 

Any ideas ?

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/14/2009 5:04:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gallstones are not something to be taken lightly. I have recently undergone emergency gallbladder removal surgery after a four month long ordeal with abdominal pain. Had I not had the surgery when I did, my family would have been putting me into the ground.

If you wish to know the details of my experience please feel free to send me a C-mail. No, I won't tell you to go see a doctor but if the pain persists for three or more weeks (like it did with me), you really should think about it.

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/14/2009 5:07:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't ever had a patient with gallstones that had pain on the patients left side. Mid-line, maybe, but not the left side.  There really isn't that much there - spleen, stomach and a bit of bowel.

And just to say  -  my Sir was having respiratory symptoms and blood in his urine for three months because he didn't want to go to the doctor.
He now has metastatic bladder cancer.
If he had gone to the doctor sooner his prognosis would have been a hell of a lot better!!!!!

Go to the damn doctor. Your friends and family will thank you for it.       just saying!

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/14/2009 5:36:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pain on the right side can be your appendix. My daughter had her's removed after having pain on alternating sides for a couple of days until I finally took her to the hospital.

According to the dr the pain can radiate to one side or the other. The pain can come and go until it finally gets to a point where someone may be calling 911 for you.

Don't mess around with it. Get thee to a dr.

PS: I've had gallstones in the past. The pain was on my left side and it was absolutely horrible. I ended up at the hospital for 3 days. Again, don't wait, don't mess around with it.

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/14/2009 8:51:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can try a simple home remedy to see if it is gallstones.  When I used to have the attacks I would drink two tablespoons full of vinegar (either white or apple cider).  The pain would start to go away within 15 minutes.  

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/14/2009 10:48:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		i just had my gallbladder removed due to a gallstone the size of a golf ball. i was in pain on and off for 5 years before anything was done. the pain when i had attacks would send me to the ER. the pain was so bad that i thought i was having a heart attack. you may have passed a kidney stone, this will cause pain on either side depending on which kidney the stone was in. but you should have it followed up with a phyician.

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/15/2009 2:51:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		it sounds more like kidney stones to me.

Termy...get your ass to a doctor. There are times when the stones are large enough to block the duct and that is very very serious.


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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/15/2009 4:54:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Prior to having my gallbladder removed in 1993, my pain would be on my right side, just under my rib cage. I had mine removed laparoscopically (sp?) and was tent camping 9 days later.  Quality of life dramatically changed, and would do it again in a nanosecond if I had to.

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/15/2009 5:12:06 AM   
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developed a severe pain in my left side,
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pain would be on my right side, just under my rib cage.


this is why i am thinking the issue is a kidney stone


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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/15/2009 10:05:22 AM   
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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/15/2009 12:33:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		possible cancer of the spleen, liver, pancreas, gallbladder, stomach, sppendix and on and on, could be a hundred different  of things based on those symptoms, some minor and others that could prove fatal ..without diagnotics and bloodwork to confirm or rule out,  it is just guess work even on the part of a doctor ..symptoms are only clues ... they in themselves are not going to give definite answers.

And pain  does not alway appear at the source area...who would ever guess that the severe pain and hot, swelling in my ankles and knees would be end up leading to a diagnosis  of lung cancer which are uncommon symptoms,    or pain or numbness running down a persons arm could be a heart attack.

Had I went to a doctor  13 months ago when the symptoms first started  I would have had likely an 80% chance of beating the lung cancer instead it appear I have a 60% chance even though it is still consider early stage without apparent mestasis, but I had put off because I never suspected my symptoms were signs of  something as serious. 

So if you are as smart as you claim you will go to the doctor now and get yourself checked out


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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/15/2009 2:12:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sappatoti

Gallstones are not something to be taken lightly. I have recently undergone emergency gallbladder removal surgery after a four month long ordeal with abdominal pain. Had I not had the surgery when I did, my family would have been putting me into the ground.

If you wish to know the details of my experience please feel free to send me a C-mail. No, I won't tell you to go see a doctor but if the pain persists for three or more weeks (like it did with me), you really should think about it.


The same thing happened to me last April.  Never even knew I had gallstones until I ended up in the ER with the worst, most God-awful pain I have ever experienced in my life, and this includes the unmedicated homebirth of UM #3, who weighed in at 9 lbs. 2 oz.  Childbirth pain was a breeze compaired to that gallbladder attack.  I was stupid and toughed it out for nearly 10 hours before deciding it wasn't going to go away on it's on. 

As others have said, gallstones & kidney stones are not something to be trifled with.  It can and has killed people before.  Your gallbladder could burst, spreading bacteria-laden infectious material all over your abdominal and pelvic cavities. If that happens, You are likely to end up in the ICU battling for Your life. Look up the morbidity and mortality rates for septic shock.  Ask Yourself it it's really worth it.

Speaking as someone who had blocked ureters resulting in massive infection in both her kidneys as a small child, I can attest to the fact You do NOT want to end up in the hospital from this.  The pain is excruciating, the treatment painful, and the potential for long-term effects are definitely a risk. I still fight UTI issues even 33 years later. I cannot say with certainty that these issues are related to that experience, but it sure would be nice to not have gone through that hell when I was young. 

I can understand and I have much respect those who are into self-healing.  The mind can work wonders if one allows it to.  My Dad was a firm believer in this, as is my Sir, who is big into naturopathic methods of treatment and health maintenence.  I, too, have implemented some of this into my own treatment regimen for my adrenal and thyroid issues. But even these have their limitations. Those limits need to be recognized, and in those times, a more traditional approach is necessary. 

Understanding all of this, I STRONGLY urge You to at least get it checked out IMMEDIATELY .  I promise You that it has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of "failure" on Your part to "tough it out" or "heal yourself".  Term (I hope You don't mind me calling You that, as I don't really know You ), please please please take care of Yourself.  You may be right and it may turn out to be nothing, but please don't risk Your life this way. 

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/15/2009 5:30:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Termyn8or,

I am very much into holistic healing so I understand where you are coming from. The thing is, for me, self diagnosis doesn't work. Many times I have had to go get checked out for odd pains so I could then learn what I was dealing with. Mine turned out not to be gallbladder or kidney, but rather viral infections in my lungs and abdominal cavity. An antiobiotic would not have worked so I then knew what herbs to take.

I love this term used by a homeopathic physician who is also an M.D. He says homeopathy is an either and modality. Allopathic medicine does not have to be shunned, but can be a life saver in those times of great need. And, conversely, one can take a homeopathic remedy on the way to the ER for an extremely high fever. The worst thing that can happen is nothing and you're at the ER, or... the fever can break. It's a win win situation.

Pain is a warning signal, thus if it persists, to the doctor I go.

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/16/2009 9:49:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I had trouble with gallstones the pain was a few inches above my bellybutton and a bit to my right. Eating did help for a little bit right afterward and it didn't seem to be affected by greasy or fatty foods (according to so much online information, that should have adversely affected me).

This is not something to mess with Termy, this is not something that the holistic approach or ignoring will help. I did that and nearly died because my gallbladder finally burst inside of me after several months of stoically sucking up the pain.

Now I have a scar from my sternum almost to my hip bone. I wound up with 29 staples, 10 days in ICU then bedridden for a long time.

There are times when a doctor is necessary and this could be one of those times for you.

Please listen to your body and respond to it.

ETA:
For several months I vomited nightly around 3am. In the beginning it was typical seeming vomit (lol) then it became a sort of yellow bile. I was in the middle of a divorce so I thought it was stress. The pain was 'drop to my knees and beg for death' but I still ignored it.

My teeth were also affected in the end, due to the bile. The enamel has been permanently damaged, visibly eroded. (So much for perfect teeth)

I had what I thought was indigestion that was not helped by Tums type products too.

Stupidly I let this go on for about 6 months until one Sunday morning. At 4am my gallbladder ruptured while I was laying on my bathroom floor utterly exhausted from vomiting. Luckily I had my cellphone with me.

So again, please listen to your body.

Extreme pain means something is wrong!!


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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/16/2009 6:02:10 PM   
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  I also had my gallbladder removed but i had pain in the middle part near my tummy and could not eat or swallow without extreme pain. The pain was so bad that at times I could not even lay down. I lived with that for about 7 months-dang military doctors kept giving me the runaround. Finally after one trip to the civilian ER they admitted me that night. I had not really gallstones but alot of crystals. They ended up doing something scans and something down my throat to clean it out while I was unconscious. Then a second surgery after that to remove the gallbladder itself. Spent near a week in the hospital. Dont' wait, get yourself checked, as someone earlier said, it was the worst pain since having UM's ( i guess they are called here) And I say that cause I'm the type of person to where no news is good news ::shrugs:: but you just gotta know sometimes. Good luck!
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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/16/2009 6:53:41 PM   
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It might be kidney stones.. It is not something to mess with if it is Kidney stones.. You can pass them and they hurt like hell without painkillers.

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/16/2009 7:16:23 PM   
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While I share your hatred of going to the doctor, um, go to the doctor. 
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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/16/2009 10:03:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Pardon my vulgarity, but when was the last time you took a good shit? I had this same exact issue about a month ago, just this terrible pain on my left side that caused tears if I tried to move.  I did end up going to the doctor on the third day even though it seemed to be clearing up, and low and behold, I was just really freaking constipated. Also, was there, or is there currently blood in your urine? That's one thing they checked at the doctors office just to make sure I didn't have a gallstone, so I suppose that may be something you should check for if that's something you're worried about. 
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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/17/2009 7:52:10 AM   
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Thanks for caring and sharing. It is going away on it's own. I think I might have to go along with the kidney stone theory. It makes sense. Now my thing is to figure out how to keep it from happening again.

I think at this point it has passed and I am just dealing with the residual irritation.

My resolve in not going to a doctor is still strong. I must admit this one almost beat me. This resolve is not borne from fear or the lack of insurance, I firmly believe that my mind believes that it has no choice but to heal itself or perish. So far so good.

I would be interested in how to keep this from happening again though, I don't need this all over again.

So right now I'm feeling pretty good so I'm off to rabblerouse a bit before work. I'll be checking back to see if someone has anything more to say.

Thanks again.

T

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RE: Gallstones ??? - 2/17/2009 8:42:20 AM   
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fr

Thanks for caring and sharing. It is going away on it's own. I think I might have to go along with the kidney stone theory. It makes sense. Now my thing is to figure out how to keep it from happening again.

I think at this point it has passed and I am just dealing with the residual irritation.

My resolve in not going to a doctor is still strong. I must admit this one almost beat me. This resolve is not borne from fear or the lack of insurance, I firmly believe that my mind believes that it has no choice but to heal itself or perish. So far so good.

I would be interested in how to keep this from happening again though, I don't need this all over again.

So right now I'm feeling pretty good so I'm off to rabblerouse a bit before work. I'll be checking back to see if someone has anything more to say.

Thanks again.

T


I suppose that kidney stone symptoms probably differ somewhat for everyone, but I've had kidney stones three times and only the pain intensity sounds the same as you describe.  Each time, my pain started as a very dull ache in the kidney area and slowely spread around almost to the groin area.  There was no way to find a comfortable position wheather sitting, standing,  or lying down.  Food and beverages didn't make any difference...when I felt like eating at all.  The pain is caused as the stone tries to travel from the kidney to the bladder.  Once it is there it may be a day or three before it is actually passed out of the body.  If you "catch" it, like the doctors like for you to do, they will take a look at it and see what components it is made of then make recommendations as to what needs to change in your diet to try to keep them from happening again.  What they will probably say is to cut down on salt, cut down on red meat, and drink LOTS of water.

If you take a close look at a kidney stone it looks like a very small goathead like you always seem to get in your bicycle tires.  The spikes tear into the tube going from the kidney to the bladder causing the pain.  The urethra is larger and you may or may not even feel the stone as it is pissed away some time later.  For me, the shortest time before the stone passed was about 6 hours and the longest was about 10, but it can go on for longer, but the longer it takes the more serious the situation.

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