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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 1/19/2006 12:54:35 PM

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shock collars are one of those things i sooo WISH were safe...sigh

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 1/19/2006 4:48:51 PM

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Interesting device. Wouldn't happen to know where I could buy one already modified?

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secures around /above the testes

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 1/24/2006 11:39:32 PM

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horses are also about 12 hundred pounds or more.

, what about all those electric fences that are around the fields of horses ? How much do they deliver ? There are many of them where I live, and I got caught quite a few times when I was a child, it's quite unpleasant, but far from life threatening (even for a child weighting about 25 kg). Could be a good comparison (there is no "tightly controlled range") ?

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 1/30/2006 4:06:59 AM

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Yes, it is probably not as dangerous to break your leg as it is to break your neck, but remember, in EMT school one learns that a femur fracture is considered life threatening as well.

Yes, but the reasons that a femur fracture is potentially life threatening vary quite a bit - mainly blood loss resulting in hypovalaemic shock and fatty embolisms.

Just to be picky

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 1/31/2006 9:44:16 AM

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I have friends who do play with collars like you mentioned, and seem to do fine. But they may get hurt tomorrow, so don't let that convince you.

I have been popped by many a fence charger (from arm to leg) across the heart even. Hazard of growing up in the country, I suppose. It is little more than a glorified scoot across the carpet, cold morning, doorknob zap. Much like the violet wands I adore so very much.

I bet a call/email to the company who manufactures them under the guise of worry about your precious fluffy would render all the technical information about voltage, current, waveform, etc. output you would need to make an informed decision. Also keep in mind a canine has much more muscle around the kneck than you. Although the collar could be stitched or Velcroed into a pair of undies to produce the desired effect on the buttocks!

At a party I let my friends who are such aficionados of said collars pop me with one. OUCH. Not only was it attention-getting, but it reminded me why I am a top, pain sucks!

Good luck to you, and do be careful.

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/18/2006 7:25:49 PM

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i have wanted to get into the shock collars for a long time now. i was thinking of putting it around the thigh i saw something about having a low setting one around the neck but even still wouldnt that be for a short time and not constantly shocking that area of your body for health and safety issues? lets say the earlier post was correct and it is 10 amps then what would be perfectly safe ? and do they make them as such?

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/18/2006 7:50:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: dorechan
I do want to improve my obedience, but I don't want to damage my health in the process (and my Princess doesn't want that either).

Thank you very much for the answers.

Rather than address what everyone else has addressed, I must say that the one thing that stood out above ALL else to me in your post was what I quoted up above. And that caused me to ask a few questions as a result that I thought I might pose here to gain better insight.

Why do you feel that in order to improve and learn obedience - or that an electrical shock is the *main* way to be trained to be obedient?

The BEST obedience training revolves around *positive* reinforcement when they do what they are wanted and supposed to do, not to punish them when they misbehave. That goes for humans as well as animals.

You are an adult. You desire to be her pet. You seem to say that you desire to submit to her and obey her. So it seems that the stage is set for you to obey her already, and that any training should be about personal preference unless you are planning or expecting to resist and balk and otherwise be disobedient in one form or another.

Could you clarify a little about why either of you feels a need to have to use electrical shock as a form of negative reinforcement to train you as a human or a pet?

Why is the assumption that you will choose to be disobedient and thus you will need to be fitted with some devide to correct you?

Perhaps I just don't understand. It just doesn't seem that you or your behavior is getting the benefit of the doubt from the get go - but that may be due to my not understanding the situation or dynamics clearly or fully.

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/19/2006 1:16:55 PM

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they do sell a shock-collar on extreme-restraints.com, that should propably be safe for playing..

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/26/2006 1:48:20 PM

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As an anesthesiologist, I am responsible for the electrical safety of patients undergoing surgery. Leakage current, macro shock, micro shock, defibrillation, pacemaker malfunction, milliamps, nerve stimulation, electrocautery, grounded vs ungrounded, joules, square waves, pulsed, bipolar, biphasic, etc etc etc are all part of my daily professional lexicon. Much of what is written above is wrong. Much is right. Much is essentially right, but written so unclearly as to be rendered useless. Without going into too many technical details, let me just say: DON'T PLAY WITH ELECTRICITY. The above post says it well: it "should probably be safe." Of course, considering the stakes we're playing for here, PROBABLY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. Electricity is fickle. As the device around your neck ages, so too will the delivery of electricity. One day you're sweating, another you're not. One day the battery is fresh, another it is old. Many other factors will affect the consistency of the effects. And the effects WILL vary. All it takes is for ONE time that a small clot of blood forms in the carotid artery, which ends up getting stuck in your brain and causing a stroke, to make all of the theorhetical discussions moot. The woman with the brain-damaged dog? That is not theory. That is practice. This is high-stakes stuff. If you do play with it, avoid the neck, head and heart. But I recommend you don't play with electricity at all. It is basically impossible to be sure that it won't end in catastrophe.

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/26/2006 2:20:20 PM

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Please forgive me, but is She more worried about your genitalia than you?!

ACK!

I love good electro torture, but I've been in the room as a DM when electro play had gone wrong. PLEASE be very careful! Accidents do happen, and what you don't know can easily kill you.

Electricity is fine and wonderful to play with, but only under HIGHLY controllable circumstances.

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/26/2006 4:15:11 PM

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ok the closest i have gotten to ellectrical play was with one of thoughs belts that send an electric curent to make the musels contract. i had gotten curriesabout if it would work on any musels so i tryed puting it on my pussy it was interesting . but i think the curent is different

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/27/2006 4:32:08 PM

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here is a discussion on shock collars

http://www.collarchat.com/m_248902/mpage_1/key_shock/tm.htm

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/29/2006 3:04:20 PM

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one thing i haven't seen mentioned here, with a lot of "suggestions" is the most dangerous part of electric play, is where it is attached. And also mentiones of a 3 volt battery vs a device with a 9 volt one. the power source doesnt always have a direct reflection on the power output of a device.
I am an electrical engineer and also into electric play.. A few thigns to think about,, first attemtping to compare a collar nased on a rated dog size of 25 pounds, isnt a good idea. the electrical resisitance of an animals skin is different than humans , since most animals skin is thicker than ours.
The most potential danger is where the 2 electrodes touch. or which way is fastest to ground. Across the chest , or neck is dangerous.
funny part is shock from rear of genitals to front, (penis) would cuase far less damage then a neck one.
One would be safer with buing a tens unit which has been designed for humans.. all the talk of voltage, and amps and watts, is , from my point of view meaningless, since it isn't only the current that can kill you, it is where it contacts your body.. 1 volt at 60 amps on the chest will most likely kill you...
Mind you i am a trained educated professional when i say this, i can take if weearing proper attire, take my bare hand and touch a 13,000 volt line and not even feel it..
so even mentioning volts/amps and watts are meaningless, unless the conditions are specified.. not wise to go by

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/31/2008 8:12:52 AM

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so if you were to design such a controling device, what would it look like. How far away could you remotely control it.

Being on the genitals seems to be more pleasure then punishment.

Electrical shock seems to have a history of mind alteration. which leads me to believe that there is lots of studies about what works.

If you made it happen I would suspect that you may go down in BDSM history as the man who invented the best remote controled device. A hint might be to spread the contacts over a bigger space.

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/31/2008 3:04:59 PM

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first it must be understood that its partly the current but its the resistance as well on a dog there is fur and on people its direct skin contact. next the skin can change its resistance due to sweat and salt.i would place it on your thigh before the neck sir. test it before you wear it.

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RE: shock collar: electric current ? - 3/31/2008 5:29:20 PM

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Its why they call some *things*....edge play...

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