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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/21/2009 5:33:03 PM   
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I enjoy public display as long that display is in front of other like minded individuals. Their are certain things that should not be shared with the general public. I'll give you an example. Every year they have a prayer day. Were kids at schools, people at work, and public officials meet at a designated spot and hold hands and pray. This is a Christian deal. I don't mind if they pray, I just don't believe that I should have to watch it. The bottom line is no group or individuals have the right to force there lifestyles on anybody else in a public setting. To do so shows disregard for others believes and an arrogant attitude on the participants part.
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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 2:35:37 PM   
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There is another thread discussing public kneeling as a punishment, possibly nude, and what an outrage it was.

I understand why the nudity would be unacceptable, but excluding that I was left with two questions.

If you are comfortable in yourself, with your partner, and in the type of relationship you are in, why would you be ashamed to show it in public.

Because sometimes, you choose to keep things private, or only between people you are close with.  That I don't want to demonstrate breath play in my local starbucks does not mean that I don't love the guy I would have been doing it with.

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Also, how is kneeling any different or more uncomfortable than watching others make out in public? Atleast kneeling shows both love and respect. Making out show lust and passion.
I don't do kissing either.  I don't do public displays of affection.  Other people doing them unnerves me, but, live and let live and if that's what they want to do...

I think there are public signs of power exchange/kink based relationships that most people wouldn't notice, something like walking half a step behind, or specific speach patterns, or what Steel was mentioning re ordering in restaurants and such like.

There are times when my relationship will flow into how I act and interact publically, but, that will not often involve PDAs, or something that is going to cause A Random Child to ask their parent a question. 

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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 2:44:52 PM   
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for me i don't mind public displays but as others have said and my M'Lady agrees that the unintentional may not want to be included in the display. as humiliation does not do much for me as a punishment my M'lady doesn't use it as such. my M'Lady takes great care not to expose the vanilla folks when in public. for me being ignored is the harshest as i am a service submissive, but for each their own.

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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 7:11:57 PM   
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Because kneeling in public will ruin her clothes. Are you prepared to buy her new ones?

And because you need to explain when the toddler behind you asks loudly "Mommy, why is that lady on the gwound?". Are you able to do so without subjecting others to your sex life?

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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 7:53:10 PM   
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Depends on where you're kneeling, I sit on the ground and kneel sometimes  nor for bdsm or kink,  and  my clothing, if I pick good spots are none worse for the wear. Course I'm not kneeling just any old where.

If  any kids in my care asked why the lady was on the ground I'd say because she chooses to be, or wants to be. It's not that difficult a question.


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Because kneeling in public will ruin her clothes. Are you prepared to buy her new ones?

And because you need to explain when the toddler behind you asks loudly "Mommy, why is that lady on the gwound?". Are you able to do so without subjecting others to your sex life?


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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 8:24:32 PM   
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Because it is not done, nor understood by the general public. That is how it is different.

Now as to whether it should, or should not be done, that is entirely upto the consequences that people are willing to accept. My girl follows behind me, and just to my left. There have been times when we have been outside a restaurant, waiting for a table, and I will sit on a bench, and she will kneel at my feet. I go through the door before her. She carries the bags from shopping. She even calls me "Master" in public. I have never had a problem with any of this in public. It has nothing to do with kink, or sex. It is part of our relationship dynamic.

As to explaining to an UM, why someone is doing something. That would be up to their parents to do, just like anything they may see. As to making other feel uncomfortable in public, again that has to do with accepting consequences. When you are out in public, there are all kinds of things that may occur, deal with it. If you are going to do things in public, someone may call you on it, deal with it.

Hopefully I have stayed with the OP, unlike some of the posts I read that replied about "fucking on a counter", when the OP asked about kneeling.


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Also, how is kneeling any different or more uncomfortable than watching others make out in public? Atleast kneeling shows both love and respect. Making out show lust and passion.


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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 8:33:54 PM   
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 Hopefully I have stayed with the OP, unlike some of the posts I read that replied about "fucking on a counter", when the OP asked about kneeling. 


The OP asked why we would feel shame about public displays.  My point was to illustrate that keeping some things private doesn’t mean we are ashamed of them,
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If you are comfortable in yourself, with your partner, and in the type of relationship you are in, why would you be ashamed to show it in public.   


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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 8:47:32 PM   
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Ahhh. My bad. I can see where kneeling and fucking on a counter relate to one another very closely.

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 Hopefully I have stayed with the OP, unlike some of the posts I read that replied about "fucking on a counter", when the OP asked about kneeling. 


The OP asked why we would feel shame about public displays.  My point was to illustrate that keeping some things private doesn’t mean we are ashamed of them,
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If you are comfortable in yourself, with your partner, and in the type of relationship you are in, why would you be ashamed to show it in public.   



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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 9:12:59 PM   
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It would seem you are deliberately choosing to misunderstand.  I was not focused on just one action (kneeling) but was addressing the OP’s assumption that if we are not willing to do something in public, we must be ashamed of it.  I disagree with that assumption.

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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 9:32:05 PM   
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Doing private things in public? Hmmm... this thread has given me an idea to both introduce kink and intimacy to society and also revive the economy at the same time. But it was just this thread but also the fact that I saw a man and a woman at the local bus stop here in London. This wasn't a straightforward kiss and cuddle, as the guy's hands were all over the woman's ass like a demented spider and they were busy intertwining their tongues for all to see. All this at a bus stop.

maybe I am not put off by this because of a concern for public decency and decorum, but because it's new. I mean if you're a couple standing at the bus stop I guess there's nothing better than to occupy your time, and what better way to occupy your time than with each other?

This is what is wrong with Britain today, and which is why most likely our economy is falling apart. We have become too straight-laced, we have become a nation of prudes, and this is why everything is going down the tubes. We need to be more openminded and tolerant, and not be ashamed that we form relationships or get intimate or even enjoy a bit of the old hanky panky. It's time to be honest, upfront, and to make Britain great again, to show the way for the rest of the world.

We don't have to stop with a kiss and a cuddle, but go further, much further, and embrace a good old session of slap and tickle at the bus stop and on public transport. Right from the start we know that boys have willies and girls don't, and it would be great to move to more enlightening, educational times when we can make use of what we have got and show others how we use what we have got. No need to restrain yourself to a kiss and a cuddle, you could go further, much further, maybe even a blow job, a hand job, and maybe while the 69 is stuck in traffic somewhere even have her over an unattended litter bin for a bit of rear entry.

And why restrict everything to each other or to plain old heterosexual, boring, vanilla sex? Sex is good, sex is healthy, no matter whether it's delicate sex, rough sex, same sex, group sex, it's all sex. You can do it with each other or do it with others at the bus stop, couples together, or have a threesome, a foursome, or a moresome. Communities would form of loving people, you would not only get to know your neighbours much better and much more intimately, but also anyone who cares to pass by on the street.

I mean, you would no longer need to advertise for it, would you? There would be no online games, players, wannabes, fakes, not least when you could get yourself down to the local bus stop for some hot love action. If you knew that you were guaranteed a blow job, a massage, or a quick shag just by going down to your local bus stop, you'd soon find a reason to travel, wouldn't you? People would lose those complexes over their bodies, they would grow more in confidence (and guys in inches) knowing that there's always someone waiting for you down at the bus stop who's hot and horny and willing. This would be brilliant for introducing kink and fetishes, you could tie your submissive up to the lamppost, bus stop, or even chain them to the railings if you were really hardcore. Or you could have your partner over the bench for a good spanking.

And the fun needn't end at the bus stop, but continue when you get on the bus. You could even take out the seats so that everyone can pile on as soon as they get on the bus, and in place of tickets public transport companies could sell condoms (at least they would know that they would stay non-transferable after being used). You would just have to modify the interiors, brakes and suspension to transform your buses into special Bonky Buses.

You could even bring your toybox with you whenever you travel. This would stimulate the economy, there would be new industries, making condoms, vibrators, strap-on dildos, floggers, etc. It would also be good for the environment, it would cut out car journeys almost completely overnight because who is going to sit in their car and pay for petrol when they know they can get a good seeing to just by travelling on public transport? It would be good for public healthcare systems, because bonking is healthy, you can burn lots of calories through shagging, the nation would be fitter. We could get the elderly and old people involved, pensioners, old people's homes would clear out, so too would geriatric wards as thousands of wrinklies head down to the local bus stop to catch up on what they missed in their younger years.

There would be no more rush hour, as people wouldn't rush, and people wouldn't get upset about being packed on public transport like sardines, because more bodies mean more opportunities. Public transport would no longer be just an amenity, not least when you don't only ride the bus or the train but also each other, it would be a national pastime.

Think of the revenue we could earn by making London the most perverted capital of the world, think of the tourists. It would make the engineering works much simpler, condoms could be sold also on London Underground, and you could even change the names of some of the stations on the London Underground network, for example Kings Cross would be Kinky Cross, Marble Arch would become Marble Arse, Cockfosters on the Piccadilly Line could become the world capital for fellatio and the line renamed the Pick-A-Willy Line, Shepherds Bush could become Sheila's Bush, but I guess you would have to close Turnham Green because perhaps people wouldn't want to travel there.

What say you? Isn't this a good idea?

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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 10:07:19 PM   
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I have always admired you from afar.....but now I think I love you! Brilliant and pointed! 

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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/22/2009 10:12:06 PM   
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Definately a misunderstanding, of some shape. The OP had two questions, but one had an example, which often sets the bar for understanding the meaning or context, which was kneeling. Kneeling and fucking on a counter relate as two different ends of a spectrum, so it seemed rather unrealistic to use fucking on a counter as an example.

There is a large difference between kneeling, or other forms of mild displays of the various alternative dynamics, and fucking on a counter. My point was that fucking on a counter is a bit extreme, when it did not seem the intention of the OP. I feel that this type of extreme examples, is what often leads to people declaring "forcing your kink on someone" or "uncomfortable public displays.". If you take things in the context of the words of the OP, it does not seem to be extreme things the OP is refering to.

As far as assumption it being shame, I will not comment on that as I try not to assume what someone else feels or if their motives are deliberate or not. Know what I mean?

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It would seem you are deliberately choosing to misunderstand.  I was not focused on just one action (kneeling) but was addressing the OP’s assumption that if we are not willing to do something in public, we must be ashamed of it.  I disagree with that assumption.


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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/23/2009 8:04:22 AM   
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I honestly never understood (and still don't) why kneeling in public is considered a bad thing.  It's a completely benign act, in my opinion, and while it may catch a glance or two, isn't something I or anyone I know would consider offensive by any means.

That said, I'm not a fan of turning the unsuspecting public into props for my personal amusement.  But I truly don't see how kneeling would do that. 


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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/23/2009 8:31:48 AM   
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Considering I see public nudity every year at the annual biker bash that doesn't bother me. Doing it in front of people that aren't prepared for that...not such a good thing. But other things, the kneeling, walking behind, wearing a collar (even if it's an obvious collar) in public? I don't have a problem with that. If the general public has an issue then they really need to keep in mind that by going to that public place they have, in an unspoken way, agreed to being in the same place as many other people with different tastes and manners. That makes it not my problem. When I go to a public place I am going with the understanding that I will be exposed to screaming little people, ill mannered adults, people running around in clothing that probably has NEVER fit them, at least not since childhood and if I find it offensive I have the option to no longer be in public. That is the only option I have so why do others think it is my responsibility to monitor what I say and do so closely in public? Granted, I do because I was raised that way, but apparently not everyone was and if I was at the mall and saw someone running around nude my reaction would most likely be .... "Alrighty then" and go on. And since mine are all grown if I had my next generation with me and they asked about it, most likely my answer would be... "Different strokes hon".
 
Making a huge deal out of it it makes it a huge deal. Making light of it, in the same respect, makes it a minor incident. It's the over-reacting individuals that cause such a ruccous (I'm sure that's a word, just not sure it that's how you spell it) and those are also most likely the same ones that have that screaming, insensitive spouse in the middle of the cereal isle in Walmart and the kids that talk worse then most bikers I know so tell me why I need to give a rats ass about what they think of me?
 
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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/23/2009 8:39:42 AM   
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Using fast reply........

Another consideration is what and where "in public" actually is.

What is acceptable in NYC, isn't necessarily going to be acceptable in Smallville Kansas.


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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/23/2009 11:58:35 AM   
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Depends on where you're kneeling, I sit on the ground and kneel sometimes  nor for bdsm or kink,  and  my clothing, if I pick good spots are none worse for the wear. Course I'm not kneeling just any old where.

If  any kids in my care asked why the lady was on the ground I'd say because she chooses to be, or wants to be. It's not that difficult a question.




But you clarify this by saying you pick appropriate places. Sitting on the grass in the park is appropriate. Being on your hands and knees for 20 minutes in a McDonald's play area is not. Neither is parking your butt in a grocery aisle while making others have to maneuver around you.

The op doesn't say anything about appropriate places. And that's the difference.

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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/23/2009 1:08:19 PM   
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I think discussing the action alone here, such as kneeling is meaningless. Why?

I'm talking about here a situation in an English-speaking country, which I guess is the natural environment for most people here using the boards.

English is a language which is heavily reliant on context. This is why you can use the N word with your black friend but not with a stranger who is black. It's all down to context.

However language just isn't words, it's everything else too, and that can also include gestures, body language, posture, eye contact and actions. Any interaction between a couple can be seen as language.

Context can also be applied to actions. Kneeling may be innocuous as an activity, but then again it may not. Kneeling in front of your partner as a joke is going to be seen just as differently as when it is done seriously and when the kneeling is out of context it's going to attract far more attention than when it is done in context. You and your partner probably won't say anything, but you won't need to, but the actual context of the kneeling will make it very clear why that person is kneeling and that in itself can speak volumes.

Why? Because if you put anything on display in a public place, no matter what it is, the context which is generally unde3rstood is 'I/we want the attention.' This shows a healthy disrespect for something known as public decency.

This is the same argument made against buskers and street performers. the authorities don't have anything against music, street theate or performance art, but buskers and street performers don't show any respect for public decency.

Now don'rt get me wrong, I'm working in theatre, I'm all for staging a publicity event or getting involved in 'guerilla theatre'. I even have plans to go round supermarkets in London with my actors and stage an argument, complete with gun, but together with flyers and with the specific aim of promoting performances held in a venue at a set date and time.

However this is a different context. Do you really want to be advertising your D/s relationship to the general public?

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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/23/2009 1:25:43 PM   
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Humiliation and degradation are hard limits for me so This is something I would not do...actually any form of public punishment is a no no for me.

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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/23/2009 1:42:40 PM   
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just because there are some uncooth slobs around doesnt mean we should act like arrogant arseholes too.  using the general public to punish youre slave is arrogant and rude.

i think it is about where - london, NYC - any big city people would hardly bat an eye.  big cities are anonymous places filled with all kinds of everyone from all over the world and acceptance for people and their different cultures is growing all the time.

small towns not so much - its about being sensitive to the situation youre in.





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RE: 2 public display questions - 2/23/2009 5:03:44 PM   
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LOL if something is on the bottom shelf at a store and I can't bend over to get it cause my back injury I will sit down while looking at said items but I don't do it where it's busy and I don't sit way out where people can't get by me. It embarrases Daddy, but I have to do what I need to do, to be able to look way down there.

I was more replyin that it won't automatically ruin clothing, than anything else:)
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Depends on where you're kneeling, I sit on the ground and kneel sometimes  nor for bdsm or kink,  and  my clothing, if I pick good spots are none worse for the wear. Course I'm not kneeling just any old where.

If  any kids in my care asked why the lady was on the ground I'd say because she chooses to be, or wants to be. It's not that difficult a question.




But you clarify this by saying you pick appropriate places. Sitting on the grass in the park is appropriate. Being on your hands and knees for 20 minutes in a McDonald's play area is not. Neither is parking your butt in a grocery aisle while making others have to maneuver around you.

The op doesn't say anything about appropriate places. And that's the difference.

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