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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 1:50:32 PM   
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If they are elected to office, doesn't that automatically remove them from the "entertainer" list?

hmmm, maybe not ....

Rush, however, isn't an elected official, nor does he hold any official office within the Republican party.

That makes him an entertainer for the most part.


Which is exactly my point.

Why is this entertainer being given so much influence by elected officials within the party?


I dunno.

Why has Barbara Streisand and Jane Fonda been given such influence on the Democratic Party?

Firm

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 1:57:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find it interesting how the definition of "mainstream conservatisim" keeps changing. They get someone into office, proclaiming: "At last, a true conservative!" Then they support him no matter what... even when he attempts to turn the US into a theocratic totaltarian state...
Then once they've been thrown out on their asses, they step back and say: "Whoa! Now hold on! Bush wasn't a REAL conservative... you can't blame us for the wrecked economy, two wars based on lies, a drowned city, or all the abuses of executive power and assaults on the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights... No, that was Bush... we never really supported HIM...."

Y'know... fuck the GOP and the republicans in general. They're getting exactly what they deserve: political extinction. They were all "good germans" for the last eight years. None of them spoke up, none of them even mumbled under their breath, as Bush, Cheany, Rove and Rumsfeld took us down the path that Osama had hoped we would... turning the US against it's own fundamental pricipals. In fact, they helped us all down this road as often, and as forcefully as they could. They sure as hell weren't debating the merits of the PATRIOT ACT, or PATRIOT II. They just sat back, collected their paychecks and the money from the lobbyists, and stuck America's ass up on the horse and told every corrupt corperation to line up and take a turn fucking us, a.k.a "We the People" raw.

The GOP is marginalized. As the full extent of Bush's malfesance comes to light, with more memos, and more economic disasters going off like time bombs left behind by terrorists, the bulk of the American people will turn away from blithering shitheads like Limbaugh, O'Riley, Hannity, and Buchannan. The "Way Things Ought to Be" Rush? Yeah... we've had a bellyful of that crap... Now let us school your snide, bully ass on "The Way Things Really Are."

GOP = R.I.P, and good riddence to the lot of you failed losers.


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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 2:01:09 PM   
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Keep dreamin', Mars .... keep dreamin' ...  

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 2:02:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now now, Merc, you should know better that the financial WMDs (derivatives) that has been dropped upon us was built long before January. And as the name sez, its purpose is mass financial destruction.  Seriously, you expected a softer landing from that big bomb???  Now that is humor in the face of calamity!



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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 2:02:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Humm... I dunno, Firm... why is that?

And tell me, why is the KKK, the John Birch Society, Skull and Bones and every other racist, homophobic, anti-female rights organization such a big influence on yours?

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 2:09:20 PM   
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Humm... I dunno, Firm... why is that?

And tell me, why is the KKK, the John Birch Society, Skull and Bones and every other racist, homophobic, anti-female rights organization such a big influence on yours?


Few, if any posts of yours deserve much serious consideration, or thought on my (or anyone else's) part.  Mainly because they require none on your part to write.

You seem to have nothing but hatred in your heart and it pours like water into your writings.  I discovered long ago that such hatred can not be changed, reasoned with, or modified with words.

It simply must extinguish itself, or burn itself out or die with you.

What a sad, wasted experience it must be to hate so much, and so hard.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 2:10:09 PM   
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Now now, Merc, you should know better that the financial WMDs (derivatives) that has been dropped upon us was built long before January. And as the name sez, its purpose is mass financial destruction.  Seriously, you expected a softer landing from that big bomb???  Now that is humor in the face of calamity!


Yes - but it takes thought and planning to spend $1 Trillion on fresh logs to increase the fire's intensity to its current level versus using any money for some water to put it out.

The Administration is a 'fireman' to this crisis in the spirit of the 'Montag' character in Fahrenheit 451. 

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 2:13:54 PM   
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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 2:14:48 PM   
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You know, I seem to recall the religious conservatives laughing in the same manner, only to get their asses handed to them along with a bus ticket out of town.

Will you be laughing when things here are socialized as a result of the inability to win an election?

You know what they say, poverty (political or economic) re-invents itself.


You know what?  The religious conservatives are still laughing at the liberal discomfiture with their existence.  Some of us don't get our knickers in a twist just because there are those around who don't believe the same things we do. 

Inability to win an election?  Oh, come on now... do you really think the GOP will never, ever win another election?  Do you really believe this is the end of conservative ideals? 

As for poverty reinventing itself... well, no, I've heard no one ever say that.  In fact, if you Google "poverty reinvents itself" you will actually get "no results found".  Surprising for a saying that you seem to think is well known.

By the way, just what the fuck does that mean, anyway?

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And I'll tell you what, if the Rushies dont want to be marginalized, how about acting in a way that doesnt lead the leader of their own party, and the rest of the world, to that conclusion?  Sounds like a good plan, and their destiny is even in their own hands.


Seems they've managed just fine without kowtowing to what others want.  As for their destiny... whether you approve or not, it's always been in their own hands.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 2:32:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		End of conservatism? No.

But they'll be in for another 40 year stretch as the minority. Thats been witnessed before.  Do you think you will still be around to see the coming of the next republican trifecta?

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 2:41:11 PM   
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I dunno.

Why has Barbara Streisand and Jane Fonda been given such influence on the Democratic Party?

Firm


Um, they don't.

You won't find any democrats calling them "liberal leaders".

You won't have any leading Democratic party members bending over for Jane Fonda at her whim.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 3:01:43 PM   
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End of conservatism? No.

But they'll be in for another 40 year stretch as the minority. Thats been witnessed before.  Do you think you will still be around to see the coming of the next republican trifecta?


Care to tell me when exactly a party has been out of office for 40 years?  

By the way, minority doesn't mean ineffectual and powerless... just ask the Democrats who've helped run this country for the past eight years. 

And yes, I think I'll be around, but I believe your guess of forty years to be a long shot.  I'm betting we'll see our next Republican President no later than 2017.  I could be wrong... I'm only basing that on recent historical trends.  I'm sure if I put my emotions into it, I could make wild-ass claims that in 4 years the Republicans will rise to lead again and it will be 40 years before the Democrats have a man in the White House. 

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 3:17:05 PM   
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Again, show me where the term ALL was used.  You are reading something into the statement that is not there.


Ven,

So I take it that you did not mean "all" of his audience, when you said "his rabid audience"?


That is correct.



Do you then intend to correct your mis-statement?

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 3:31:14 PM   
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Again, show me where the term ALL was used.  You are reading something into the statement that is not there.


Ven,

So I take it that you did not mean "all" of his audience, when you said "his rabid audience"?


That is correct.



Do you then intend to correct your mis-statement?

Firm



Why is it a mis-statement?



Surely you toy with me. I know you are too intelligent to miss my point.

And I've made my point, without bluster, sarcasm or insult to you.

If you do not wish to admit the error of either your syntax or intent, perhaps it just best to let the issue drop.

Firm


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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 3:48:06 PM   
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Surely you toy with me. I know you are too intelligent to miss my point.

And I've made my point, without bluster, sarcasm or insult to you.

If you do not wish to admit the error of either your syntax or intent, perhaps it just best to let the issue drop.

Firm



The error is yours.  How does "his rabid audience" become his ENTIRE audience?  Are you purposefully trying to play games of misdirection in order to avoid talking about the real issues?

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 5:05:36 PM   
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You can try all you want to marginalize the people who agree with Rush by calling them "angry", "undereducated", and saying they have "malleable minds".  You won't win them over and they'll continue to believe as they do, laughing all the while at your discomfiture with their very existence.



You know, I seem to recall the religious conservatives laughing in the same manner, only to get their asses handed to them along with a bus ticket out of town.

Will you be laughing when things here are socialized as a result of the inability to win an election?

You know what they say, poverty (political or economic) re-invents itself.



However much I dislike conservatism and the Republican party, I believe that a democracy needs a good opposition to the people in power, an opposition that offers a credible alternative to the policy makers. It's a question of balance.

By kissing up to a radio chat show entertainer, Steele has demonstrated that he is not in charge of his own party; he has also revealed the extent of his party's disarray. It's bad news for everybody, except for the Democrats of course: I wish the Republican party would rebuild itself alongside modern lines: the kind of extremism that Limbaugh incarnates is over, the country just showed that overwhelmingly, yet the Republican party still sucks up to the extremists within their midst. Time to grow up.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/4/2009 6:52:20 PM   
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Yes - but it takes thought and planning to spend $1 Trillion on fresh logs to increase the fire's intensity to its current level versus using any money for some water to put it out.
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Merc, I'm just guessing here..and I may be way off base, but you're not a Keynesian are you?

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/5/2009 2:40:51 AM   
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Fast Reply -
 
I was working at a radio station that had both FM and AM channels.  One of the AM channels aired Rush.  Now one afternoon there was an engineering malfunction and the switchboard lit up with callers screaming about the show being off the air.  I explained that it was an equipment problem and that we would send an engineer out for repairs.
Seems simple and logical, no?
 
Instead the callers ranted and raved that we (the radio station) were purposely plotting and scheming to take Rush off the air.  Huh?  That makes no sense what-so-ever.

Actually, it does make a horrid kind of sense.

When you step back a bit and recall that the Republicans have been, themselves, moving further and further towards their own extreme right wing since the 2004 election cycle.  The last half dozen years, they've been making naked appeals to people that the Republican Party did its level best to ignore and marginalize in the 60s.  And they were correct to ignore and marginalize them, because they are freaking whackaloons who believe in every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike.

These people formed the core support that the McCain campaign had to count upon.  That's why James Dobson foisted Sarah Palin off on McCain as his Vice-Presidential running mate.  McCain was favoring Joe Lieberman.

Now, when I'm inspired, I can go on about Joe Lieberman for as long as 10 or 15 minutes without repeating a single blasphemous obscenity.  Suffice to say I have zero respect for him, either as a politician or as a human being.

But for McCain, Lieberman was probably the optimum choice.

Palin was Disasta from Alaska.

She started coming under scrutiny she never had while she was simply Governor, and most likely a hell of a lot more than she ever got when Dobson's people "vetted" her.  So voters started getting an earful about Troopergate, and the fact that her ignorance simply did not seem to have any lower bound that could be fathomed, and they heard about some of her buddies, like witch-hunter Thomas Muthee.  And they probably reflected on the fact that John McCain was frail and tired, like we've never seen in a Presidential election since 1984, and maybe not even then.  Four courses of treatment for melanoma??

Had McCain won, Sarah Palin would now be only one fragile heartbeat away from the Presidency.

I think this had quite a few people voting for Obama who otherwise might not have.

My point?  The "black helicopter" crowd are now a constituency the RNC cannot afford to disregard or offend.  They are also Rush's prime audience.

So poor Michael Steele was practically ordered to STFU about Limbaugh and apologize, or lose his job.

He's only been RNC chairman for about a month, and already, his line troops are shooting him in the back.

My take on this is that the long-term consequences of the Southern Strategy that captured control of the country for the Republican Party 40 years ago are now coming home to roost.

If it goes on like this, I give the Republican Party perhaps a decade more of life, two at the most.  But I usually underestimate the speed with which a system collapse can take place once it starts into motion, so they could completely implode much sooner.

If that happens, what I'd expect to happen next is for the Democrats to grow out a "big money" faction or a "populist" faction, which would eventually calve off to form a new second party.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/7/2009 10:25:20 PM   
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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/8/2009 7:26:15 AM   
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You know .... the "politics of personal destruction"?

Are you are member of the easily lead, malleable crowd, or a member of the cynically cold and manipulative elite?

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