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"FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund could t... - 3/5/2009 4:53:11 PM   
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And you thought it could not get any worse?  Maybe it is time to start burying money in the back yard again.  Would your money be safer in a bank out of the U.S.?
 
 
"FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund could tank"
 
March 5, 2009
 

"WASHINGTON (AFP) – The US government is warning banks that its deposit insurance fund could go broke this year as bank failures mount.

The head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Sheila Bair, in a letter to bank chief executives dated March 2, defended the FDIC's plan to raise fees on banks and assess an emergency fee to shore up the fund and maintain investor confidence.

Bair acknowledged the new fees, announced Friday, would put additional pressure on banks at time of financial crisis and a deepening recession, but insisted they were critical to keep the insurance fund solvent and protect.

"Without these assessments, the deposit insurance fund could become insolvent this year," Bair wrote.

The FDIC chief said in the letter that the rapidly deteriorating economic conditions
raised the prospects of "a large number" of bank failures through 2010."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090305/pl_afp/financeeconomyusbankinggovernment

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 4:55:01 PM   
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uh oh :(

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 5:02:50 PM   
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Yeah. 

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 5:04:11 PM   
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well....shit. things just keep getting better and better don't they?

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 5:11:49 PM   
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Canada, anyone?

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 5:13:05 PM   
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SO far we havnt lost a bank yet....

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 5:13:31 PM   
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Well... fuck.

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 5:22:19 PM   
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And your banking system is run much more efficiently.  I feel a summer trip coming on, either by road or train.

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 5:42:00 PM   
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Insurance gives the false impression of security, thus encouraging more erratic behavior than without. Systemic insurance, serves the same end, on a much larger and less containable scale, when inevitably the premise will be tested. We are world collapsing over the notion that everything can be insured, which is a false notion.

I guess I should specify, insurance in the context of financial constructs are concerned. Insurance, and the bets laid in the guise of insurance are a large part of this mess. To many insuring the improbable that finally happened, and paying the policy off causes them to fall into insolvency, etc.. They never had the capital to pay off if it was ever time to collect in a meaningful way, same thing with FDIC, the amount they have is a true pittance, and is simply a psychological mind game, that is only useful in very small scale failures, it never had enough to cover an obligation that would be required in a real crisis.



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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 5:55:06 PM   
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Anybody got any mason jars? I'm thinking of digging a few deposit holes in my backyard..........

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 6:18:40 PM   
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OK, This was depressing and scary.

I have to go to Humor now and see if
I can find something that will cheer me up.

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 6:37:47 PM   
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Hey, we knew one old guy with a collection of beehives in his back yard.  How is that for a safe place to hide your savings?

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 7:55:16 PM   
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quote:

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Anybody got any mason jars? I'm thinking of digging a few deposit holes in my backyard..........
I have a couple hundred. You have any silver to trade with?

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 10:04:34 PM   
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quote:

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Hey, we knew one old guy with a collection of beehives in his back yard.  How is that for a safe place to hide your savings?


Well, if your money turns up missing, and a week later you see the neighborhood bears cruisin' around in an El Dorado with gold-plated hubcaps, you'll quickly see the flaw in your reasoning.


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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 10:26:23 PM   
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The FDIC chief said in the letter that the rapidly deteriorating economic conditions
raised the prospects of "a large number" of bank failures through 2010."



I've got worse news than that, Ven. He may be understating the problem, drastically understating it. There are a growing number of economists who maintain that the banking system is not just in deep trouble, but that it's already insolvent - that the banks are essentially bankrupt. That they simply do not have the money to meet the legal definition of solvency, which in simplest terms requires that banks have on hand shareholder capital equivalent to 10% of the obligations on their books. With the number of foreclosures still rising, and rising at faster and faster rates, there is almost zero chance that the banks will be able to meet that requirement this year. We're talking trillions of dollars here. Thus, massive and widespread bank failures are probably inevitable.

The only solution is to at least partly nationalize the banking system, even if only for a limited time period. Mind you, I'm not saying I advocate that; I'm just saying that's probably going to be the only realistic option. There's no other way to fix this, because the federal government is the only entity in the world that has the kind of money needed to keep the banks solvent. Faced with a choice between nationalizing the banks and letting the banking system fail, they won't have any choice but to nationalize the banks.

The math is simple. The Obama administration knows this, but they're not telling us that. Yet. I believe they're waiting until the walls start to fall, at which time people will be so terrified they'll jump at any solution. Right now, people aren't scared enough yet, so nationalizing the banks would serve only to hasten the economic decline, and Obama would be blamed for causing the collapse. If they wait until it's inevitable, they can just step out front and say, "hey, we tried everything, but now we have no choice." And people will be more inclined to give them a pass. I think we're looking at a very ugly, and a very scary, year or two here.This latest message from Sheila Bair is just one more subtle step in the process of preparing us for the nationalization of the banking system.


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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 10:33:29 PM   
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Wow...that really is a scary thought. Maybe I should buy gold. Then again, it could easily be as devalued as the dollar. Yikes!

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/5/2009 10:42:38 PM   
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Here. In case anyone wants to read a little more about what I'm saying, I found one of the articles I saw about this. Actually, this one is over a month old, so the numbers may have changed since then. But if they have, I doubt they've changed for the better.

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The math is not complicated. Bank losses from the write-offs of bad loans and busted derivatives tally up to $1.5 trillion so far. In addition, $5 trillion to $10 trillion worth of off-balance-sheet businesses such as structured investment vehicles -- leveraged lending vehicles used by big banks to fatten their profits in boom times -- are being forced back to banks' balance sheets by regulators. Rules require banks to keep a base of real shareholder capital amounting to 10% of those funds. So banks need to find up to $1 trillion within the next year to meet that objective. Add the $1.5 trillion in losses to $1 trillion in needed new reserves, and you can see that banks need as much as $2.5 trillion in new capital to remain solvent under current rules. I know that we throw around words like "trillion" like they're nothing, but that is a lot of money. Consider that the entire world banking system had only $2 trillion in shareholder capital in 2007, before everything blew up.
In aggregate, therefore, the entire system is simply insolvent, as liabilities are greater than assets. Governments aren't forcing banks to admit this, but investors are, and that is why big banks' shares have lost half of their value this year. Governments, meanwhile, are trying desperately to help banks plug the gap, but they're coming up short. When you add the $500 billion from sovereign wealth funds to the $500 billion from the first tranche of the Troubled Assets Relief Program, it's only $1 trillion. That's already been provided. So that leaves a gap of $500 billion to $1.5 trillion.

The easy way to fix this problem, of course, would be to change the rules: Tell the banks they don't need to keep 10% capital reserves. But that sort of glib solution only sounds good, and the reality is that in any normal business sense most of these businesses are ruined. ...


The best course of action, which would have been the most painful in the short term but beneficial in the long term, would have been to force banks to open all their books to regulators and investors, allowing us to see which were solvent and which were not. Then the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which is sort of a mini-nationalizer, could have closed the bad banks and merged their assets into strong banks, and we would be halfway through the crisis by now.Instead, the previous Treasury secretary, Henry Paulson, decided on this disastrous course of putting insolvent banks on life support at public expense, which has only led to a massive waste of money and time.

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/6/2009 12:03:20 AM   
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And you thought it could not get any worse?  Maybe it is time to start burying money in the back yard again.  Would your money be safer in a bank out of the U.S.?
 
 
"FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund could tank"
 
March 5, 2009
 

"WASHINGTON (AFP) – The US government is warning banks that its deposit insurance fund could go broke this year as bank failures mount.

The head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Sheila Bair, in a letter to bank chief executives dated March 2, defended the FDIC's plan to raise fees on banks and assess an emergency fee to shore up the fund and maintain investor confidence.

Bair acknowledged the new fees, announced Friday, would put additional pressure on banks at time of financial crisis and a deepening recession, but insisted they were critical to keep the insurance fund solvent and protect.

"Without these assessments, the deposit insurance fund could become insolvent this year," Bair wrote.

The FDIC chief said in the letter that the rapidly deteriorating economic conditions
raised the prospects of "a large number" of bank failures through 2010."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090305/pl_afp/financeeconomyusbankinggovernment


Ok maybe I don't understand how it works but if the FDIC is there to cover peoples money in banks. When most banks fail it is my understanding that the money in the accounts are still there and the government or another bank takes over. Either way business continues. So why is the FDIC going broke? Where are they spending money?

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/6/2009 12:04:36 AM   
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Hello blacksword 404,
 
I am not the person who can answer this question.  Got a broker on speed dial?

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RE: "FDIC warns US bank deposit insurance fund cou... - 3/6/2009 12:19:34 AM   
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Hello blacksword 404,
 
I am not the person who can answer this question.  Got a broker on speed dial?


Hey. No I do my own.

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