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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/7/2009 5:24:47 PM

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I would have noticed that but I was distracted by the teeth and wrinkle adverts on the same page.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/7/2009 8:24:22 PM

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/8/2009 10:16:41 AM

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Quite fascinating. It would be of interest if some of our legal experts would find out what the final decision became. I like to understand definitions. This problem was surrounding what constitutes a prostitute or what constitutes a slave. I am not sure which. The union won and changed the laws. Some in Economics contend that the economics of the situation would have eliminated the process of slavery as well. That road we will never see.
We talk about slavery within the context of BDSM, we know that the anitbellum slavery has been outlawed. I remember High School History where we were taught that people were imported to this country as indentured servants. My understanding is that if you were black then you were a slave but if you were white then you were an indentured servant. Was the stae of indentured servitude outlawed when slavery was outlawed? Could we offer a contract for indentured servitude to the subs and not cross into an illegal state?
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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/8/2009 11:45:08 AM

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WTF?!?!??

Okay, the idiots made a legally invalid contract. No problem there. Then they FILED IT at the courtroom!?!?!?

And there is NO WAY that they could be prosecuted for prostitution unless the cops could PROVE that money had exchanged hands for sex. A null contract does not constitute proof in any way.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/8/2009 5:24:04 PM

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Maybe they wanted their 15 minutes of fame and couldn't get booked on Judge Judy?

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/8/2009 11:19:11 PM

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Stupidity wins out way too often. Recent situation or not

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/14/2009 12:30:18 PM

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Perhaps this couple is testing the legal waters, just to see what happens. M

That's kind of what I was thinking.

These people aren't exactly legal pioneers. They seem like idiots to me. She's willing to whore herself out for him, but he can't scrounge up the five grand to get her out of prison. She considers tanning as vital as food and water. She's 22 but has contracted herself to someone 10 years her senior for life. This ain't Roe v. Wade we're talking about.

As far as the legal response, what the hell were they supposed to do? Let it go that there is a prostitution clause in there? They didn't consider BDSM to be prostitution, they considered him making her have sex with other men as prostitution.

As for the resolution, there's nothing in the state or federal case listings about these two, so I guess either the cheapskate 'Master' coughed up the money or her mommy and daddy bailed her out.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/14/2009 4:56:13 PM

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I have a hard time believing that these people didn't do this to get attention. The way it's written, stating things like tanning bed sessions are as necessary as food and water and that the slave must party whenever Master wants her to suggests that it's all a big joke designed to draw attention to themselves for one reason or another.

If they were being dead serious with everything they wrote than I think they sound stupid enough to have actually accidentally filed the thing.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/17/2009 4:42:40 PM

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Next time they want a contract, they should get a real lawyer. People who are their own lawyers have fools for clients.
What did they think that line about him being allowed to pimp her out meant except prostitution?

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 3/18/2009 1:38:22 PM

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lol can anyone be that stupid. This had to be joke

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 12/10/2009 11:40:38 AM

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i, for one, can assure it is not a joke. i spent 7+ years of my life in and around pikeville and amanda graduated the year before i did. i was never super close to her, but she was a part of a loose knit group of queers, misfits, and the people that love them. i wasn't surprised, having known her, when the story first broke about their relationship or its inner workings. however, i find it as difficult to believe that she would do something this stupid on her own, be it intentional or otherwise.

i never heard anything else about the case until now, 7 years later and a state away. to my knowledge, nothing ever came of it. i've looked into it and have yet to find out anything new so it seems likely it was just dismissed. the whole situation gave the local yokels something to talk about and if she is still in the area, a scar forever.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 12/10/2009 1:45:01 PM

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Was the stae of indentured servitude outlawed when slavery was outlawed? Could we offer a contract for indentured servitude to the subs and not cross into an illegal state?
Patiently waiting for those with more experience to respond

Or you could eagerly read the constitutional amendment which will answer that question for you.

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I bet if the Pikeville cops barged in with the guy having sex with a sheep or goat, they would have left saying, "Let's go, boys. Let's give the happy couple some privacy."

Well if someone has sex with an animal in NJ, all they can TRY to get them on is abusing the animal, because believe it or not there is no beastiality law on the books. Charges Dropped Against Cop Caught Having Sex With Cows

Any agreement where sex will be exchanged for something else (no marriage jokes) is considered prostitution in most places. Yes, an arrest could be made without "catching them in the act" but in all likelihood, the charges were dismissed. They probably were also going to try to make a case for false imprisonment, but since she was "consenting" they couldn't uphold the charge.

Not only is slavery illegal making the contract void, but even various portions of the contract. A parent can not legally waive child support since the support is for the child, not for the parent. As mentioned, "use her body for free or for money" is prostition on her part, and makes him a pimp since it is implied he would be making those decisions.

I think it might have been filed intentionally, but not in a bid for attention or out of stupidity. The article doesn't mention who brought the contract to the court for filing (although it could possibly have been done by mail), but I think one of the parties was attempting to make a point to the other party and knew even though there could be arrests made, it could get dismissed by even a half assed defense attorney.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 12/10/2009 3:15:07 PM

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Well if someone has sex with an animal in NJ, all they can TRY to get them on is abusing the animal, because believe it or not there is no beastiality law on the books.

You mean they actually got that part right in Clerks II? LoL

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 12/10/2009 3:21:33 PM

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Phhht.. I hate old threads, they leave a bad taste in my mouth. But I had to make this comment.. that slave SUCKED as a negotiator!!

#16 "Slave can marry, but cannot comsummate the vows."

It means she may marry somone OTHER than the master, but cannot have sex with said husband

#18. "....won't ask for child support."

It means that if she happens to get pregnant BY her master, that any money responsibility is hers, and she is not to ask for him to support said child

#23 "Slave agrees to party with the Master whenever Master agrees."

Seems like this part is self explanatory. He says jump, she does. It doesnt matter if its swapping with another couple, partying with drugs, ect.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 12/10/2009 3:34:55 PM

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Actually, legally, it might be fun to watch how this one plays out.
Quite!
It could be kind of interesting because if it hits court, a judge is going to have to rule
and then our old friend precedent comes into play...
As all they need to do in regard the Prostitution charge is claim that any behaviors involved were mutually consesnsual and NOT done for monetary recompense, If I were the prosecutor, I'd tell the judge "NO WAY IN HELL WILL THIS GO TO TRIAL!
I would like to see the legal grounds for the prosecution charges
Thin to nonexistant.
I suspect a good defense lawyer could shred it in minutes.
I'm NOT a defense lawyer and I can shread it in minutes, so no doubt on THAT one .

Mt bet is this never sees the inside of a courthouse

And as to the comment made by Kana, "Unless they are blazingly stupid", consider the state involved, KENTUCKY, which is NOT known for it's high educational standing, so 'nuf said there. This applies to ALL parties in the case, since the idiots involved had to go WAAAYYY out of their way to bring this upon themselves in the first place.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 12/10/2009 3:45:45 PM

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As all they need to do in regard the Prostitution charge is claim that any behaviors involved were mutually consesnsual and NOT done for monetary recompense, If I were the prosecutor, I'd tell the judge "NO WAY IN HELL WILL THIS GO TO TRIAL!

First of all the contract stated for money. Secondly, monetary compensation is not the only thing that would make it prostitution. Sex in exchange for money or goods will make it prostitution. His determining the WHO she has sex with makes him a pimp. When it comes to the legal argument, it isn't nearly as simple as you would like to make it out to be.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 12/10/2009 3:59:14 PM

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How could they possibly think it was a good idea to notirize what is basically a promise to break the law? Its like filing a contract to provide your neighbor with weed at certain price for a certain amount of time.

ETA: actually if you filed a weed contract they couldn't arrest you unless you had weed in your house. But they could get a search warrant in a heart beat

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 12/10/2009 4:43:34 PM

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... Its like filing a contract to provide your neighbor with weed at certain price for a certain amount of time.

ETA: actually if you filed a weed contract they couldn't arrest you unless you had weed in your house. But they could get a search warrant in a heart beat

not exactly. if you live in California and your neighbor has a valid prescription for cannabis from their MD, you could file with the Local Department of Health to be recognized as your neighbor's "caregiver" and then it would be completely legal for you to have plants growing in your yard or dried product stored in your home, for your neighbor's use. Expenses for the growing of the plants would be something that your neighbor would pay...now, to the uninformed, it might appear that a crime has been committed, but as soon as it gets to the local courthouse...guess what? no laws have been broken, so...dismissed.

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RE: Pair Arrested For Sex Slave Contract - 12/10/2009 6:35:20 PM

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Good point! but not exactly what I had inmind...

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not exactly. if you live in California and your neighbor has a valid prescription for cannabis from their MD, you could file with the Local Department of Health to be recognized as your neighbor's "caregiver" and then it would be completely legal for you to have plants growing in your yard or dried product stored in your home, for your neighbor's use. Expenses for the growing of the plants would be something that your neighbor would pay...now, to the uninformed, it might appear that a crime has been committed, but as soon as it gets to the local courthouse...guess what? no laws have been broken, so...dismissed.

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