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Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 1:15:15 PM   
Padriag


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This post is about a few observations of mine. What follows are my opinions, based on over a decade of observations. Its about what I see as being some pretty unrealistic habits, expectations, etc. of people online. This isn't aimed at men or women, dominants or submissives... but more or less at everyone. Its also not an attack, just food for thought.

I watch threads about emails come up regularly. They usually question why someone doesn't reply, complain about a form letter, etc. Most of it I consider rubbish because it involves a lot of unrealistic expectations.

Email is a point of contact, nothing more. But on sites like this one it has become a complex process that is sometimes virtually impossible to navigate. Consider this... a submissive we'll call Sue, hates getting form letters. But Sue has written very little about herself in her profile, just clicked some interests and left it at that. Sue has given potential dominants nothing to write to her about, there's little in her profile to respond too. So they predictably send a form letter... and they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

There is actually nothing wrong with form letters, expect for peoples expectations. A first email is just that, a first contact. It should be polite, tell a little about the person sending it, the basics of what they are seeking, and should be personalized only to a small degree. Conversely, there are some who abuse this and send out mass mailings that aren't personalized at all. Here's a thought for the CM admins... limit the number of emails you can send per day to say 10 or 20. That would cut out a lot of that very quickly.

If you write to someone and they don't reply, don't get bent about it and for crying out loud stop insulting them! If they're not interested, they aren't interested... deal with it... quietly! When I write to a lass and she doesn't respond, I take her off my favorites list and move on. I don't insult her, I don't pester her... frankly, if she's not polite enough to at least say thank you for the interest, then I don't want to hear from her. If she's not smart enough to see what a great guy I am, her loss. Gee... did that sound arrogant... you're damn skippy it did! But the point is the attitude I take. If someone doesn't reply, I let it go and move on with my life, I do not let it bother me. Why should I, the first day I joined this site I saw at least 30 profiles of attractive submissive women I thought were interesting... if number 16 doesn't reply... now serving number 17.... now serving number 17.

Another thing I see are people falling in love online having never met face to face. Yes, yes I know... you're just sure they're the One (but is his name Neo?). And if you're lucky, things do work out. But in my not so humble opinion the relationship doesn't begin, doesn't exist, until you meet face to face and spend some time with that person. Until then what you have is an acquaintance... perhaps one you're very fond of, intrigued by, and really have the hots for... but still an acquaintance. While some get lucky, most do not and more often we then seen follow up threads sometime after an announcement of meeting their dream "dom/sub/master/slave" of how they were disappointed, lied to, fakes, frauds, ad nauseum. Now how much of that would disappear if we all just kept to a policy of, "Yes I really like you, but until we meet I just can't be sure... so when would you like to do that?" While I'm against simplistic "two week" rules (which I also think are nonsense) I am very much in favor of meeting at some point. When? That varies according to what is possible. I met one lass 2 days after we first talked online. Another lass it was a year before we could meet face to face. Each of those cases were different and my choices were based on the distance involved, my circumstances, hers, etc. Anyone can be anything they want online... but face to face things tend to get real very quickly.

And what is it with people not filling out their profiles? I've seen so many one liners in profiles of all sorts that I have to wonder what these people were thinking? If you want something other than a form letter... say something about yourself... give the person writing too you something to work with. Once excuse for a very short profile I saw was this last remark "I haven't written about myself because its too easy for people to play head games if I do." And this person is even online why? Still not convinced a well written profile is to your advantage... consider this. Just the other day I got yet another email from a submissive woman who wrote me just to compliment me on my well written profile... here's part of what she said...
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I wanted to send a note along and tell you how much I enjoyed reading your profile. It is one of the most thought-out and sincere ones I have come across. ... It bothers me a bit when a person has only a few lines about themselves in their profile that leaves me wondering just what else they are about, but yours lacked nothing. A rare joy to find and read!

A well written profile makes a difference, if you don't have one, you're cheating yourself.

People have so many expectations its no small wonder they spend so much time disappointed. I have seen many people say they are leaving this site or that because "I could never find anyone interesting." That's a crock, a big smelly one at that. If you aren't meeting interesting people here, you aren't trying. Now that doesn't mean you're going to meet "The One" anytime soon, but there are lots of interesting people out there.

Perhaps the biggest is unrealistic expectation is that dominants must be perfect or that submissives should be naked and pliable. In other words that whole notion of "The One". I sometimes wonder if people have this image in their head of what this perfect "One" looks like and they compare everyone to that. Maybe I should do that... I'm a 3D artist, I could actually create that image... just post the pic and say "Have you seen this person, is this you, you may be my One, please contact." But unfortunately life and relationships and dating are not that simple... and frankly I don't think it would be good if it were. There is no "One", there's just people... and according to one statistic I came across there's about 50,000 "One's" out there for each and every one of us. That is, an average of 50,000 people you could potentially have a great relationship with. That's actually pretty good odds if you open your mind to something less than that perfect "One" and realize that that other person, who has a few quirks you don't like, is still a pretty good catch... not perfect, but a good catch.

To sum up my opinions here... email is just that... email, a point of contact, don't make more of it than it is. First letters are just introductions to a stranger, don't expect the person to write an eloquent, personalized, love letter to a stranger. Form letters are okay so long as they are polite, informative and personalized to a small degree. Rude letters are easily deleted and blocked. There's no set rule about when you should meet, but if you feel there's something there worth getting serious about then you should meet face to face. Until you meet face to face, don't invest more into it than is reasonable for an acquaintance. There is no "One", but there's lots of "almost-One's" that could turn out to be something great if you give it a chance. Don't set your expectations too high, and remember, the more you ask for the more you better be willing to offer. Nobody gets to date a supermodel if they don't have something pretty super to offer themselves.

Just my opinions... have at it you maniacs!

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 1:22:03 PM   
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actually I can find nothing to have at....I think what you said is pretty much all that needs saying on the topic. so... will only say....ditto!

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 1:28:19 PM   
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Well that about sums it all up very nicely Padraig. Perhaps your post should be flagged for all new members?

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 1:41:20 PM   
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there are only two things I would like to add

1) if you like getting email , state that in your profile

2) learn to use mail controls, it is easy to do, I was never bombarded with emails like so many people complain of

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 1:50:50 PM   
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quote:

There is no "One", there's just people... and according to one statistic I came across there's about 50,000 "One's" out there for each and every one of us. That is, an average of 50,000 people you could potentially have a great relationship with.


Have you considered the possibility that those referring to "The One," are also aware of the fact that many people would qualify, and simply use the term as a personage to describe one of the 50,000? i find it so much easier to refer to that One that i seek, as simply "The One," rather than spell out that entire explanation, which in fact i do agree with.

If there are 50,000 of them for each of us, then there is in fact "The One."

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 1:51:54 PM   
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in a nut shell...

You reap what you sow!!!


Well said Padriag

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 2:16:20 PM   
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I wouldn't even call that a rant. Way too balanced and reasonable. Lots of good points were made. You summed up my attitudes about contacts, meeting, online relationships, and profiles, very well. I've never understood why people get bent about the 'no reply' thing. I also agree that the 'first contact' message needn't be a full biography with a thesis on my views of Life, The Universe, and Everything. It's just a "hi, howdy doo, I'm interested so please check out my (hopefully) well written profile" message.

Anyway, I like what you're saying. Thanks for taking the time to say it.

Bob

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 4:10:49 PM   
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Very nicely said Padriag

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 4:52:34 PM   
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Very well said Padriag. Thank you.

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 6:09:56 PM   
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Well said, but I have to add that form letters (if that is what one chooses to use) should be revised to that they look like they have something to do with the person they're being sent to, lol.
I had a guy repeatedly send me the same one saying how strongly I felt about things that were not mentioned in my profile or some of which I hated, so that was kind of a drag, and after the third time of calling his attention to the same, I blocked him. M

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 6:18:05 PM   
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Great post!!!

I also don't understand what all the bitching about email is? I mean... Ahem... You put up a profile to what, GET EMAILS, right -- and then bitch about it when you do?

And yes... To many don't say squat about themselves which leaves the other person with no choice but to send a generic email response.

As to the "falling for someone" online? I won't lie... It's happened to me before, but yes... You can never know if two are right for each till they meet. Though, I don't see anything wrong with being head over heels "infatuated" with someone -- that's usually what helps motivate that "first meeting", ya know?

Again, great post.

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 6:27:17 PM   
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You bring up a good point Tall... not all form letters are created equal. So maybe it would be a good idea to discuss what should go in an introductory form letter.

First of all you want to cover the important facts, who you are, what you are seeking and what you are offering. These are things that absolutely are well served with a form letter because they are things that shouldn't change anyway, you'll be telling everyone this information. But its also important to present it in a warm, polite manner so it doesn't come across as list of "... just the facts ma'am."

For example, don't do this...
quote:

I am a single man. I don't have kids. I have a job. I am dominant.


But this looks much better...
quote:

To introduce myself so you know something about who is writing to you I thought you would like to know that first of all I am single and have never been married. I don't have any children either, though I do like kids and would like to have my own some day. I presently work as a decorative painter, a job I enjoy very much because it allows me to be creative.

That reads much better and more inviting and is more fun to read than just a plain list of facts even though both say basically the same thing. Sometimes an economy of words makes you seem cheap.

That should take up say at least three paragraphs, one introducing who you are, one paragraph stating what you seek, and one paragraph covering what you offer. After that should come the part I mentioned previously about being "personalized to a small degree." This part should not be a form letter, but something you write specifically to that individual. This is where you tell them what you like about them specifically, what cause you to write to them, etc.

Wrap letter up with a short paragraph summing it all up, repeating important points and emphasizing that you look forward to hearing back from them, and you've got yourself a nice introductory form letter about five paragraphs in length. Also, don't forget to use the person's name or screenname in the greeting and put a nice salutation at the end. Warmest Regards, Cordially, With Respect, etc. can all work depending who you are writing too and who you are (ie, With Respect sounds good from a submissive to a dominant, Warmest Regards for the reverse).

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 6:49:11 PM   
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Gawd....how much I've wanted to say this since joining this board!

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

Another thing I see are people falling in love online having never met face to face. Yes, yes I know... you're just sure they're the One (but is his name Neo?). And if you're lucky, things do work out. But in my not so humble opinion the relationship doesn't begin, doesn't exist, until you meet face to face and spend some time with that person. Until then what you have is an acquaintance... perhaps one you're very fond of, intrigued by, and really have the hots for... but still an acquaintance. While some get lucky, most do not and more often we then seen follow up threads sometime after an announcement of meeting their dream "dom/sub/master/slave" of how they were disappointed, lied to, fakes, frauds, ad nauseum.


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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 6:57:04 PM   
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Perhaps you consider writing a self-help book? *grin*

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 7:22:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Padriag

And what is it with people not filling out their profiles? I've seen so many one liners in profiles of all sorts that I have to wonder what these people were thinking? If you want something other than a form letter... say something about yourself... give the person writing too you something to work with. Once excuse for a very short profile I saw was this last remark "I haven't written about myself because its too easy for people to play head games if I do." And this person is even online why?


Well, since you are, in my opinion, easily one of the two or three best writers here ... I can hammer one of your points without mercy and not look too foolish.

Your statement above only makes sense if taken from the point of view that everyone making a profile on COLLARME, is looking to hook-up ... which probably isn't true. I know at least one person that is here for no other reason past liking it here. Amazingly, this person has as much right to be here, for whatever reason they are here, as anyone else here ... and probably doesn't have to answer the question of "why" to anyone.

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 7:35:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn


Well, since you are, in my opinion, easily one of the two or three best writers here ... I can hammer one of your points without mercy and not look too foolish.

Yeah, but you still look cute when you're foolish so you shouldn't worry

quote:

Your statement above only makes sense if taken from the point of view that everyone making a profile on COLLARME, is looking to hook-up ... which probably isn't true. I know at least one person that is here for no other reason past liking it here. Amazingly, this person has as much right to be here, for whatever reason they are here, as anyone else here ... and probably doesn't have to answer the question of "why" to anyone.

That's true. Actually when I first joined here I was one of those people. Technically I still am, because my life is rather busy just now. Living in two states and commuting back and forth for business keeps you hopping. But that will settle down in a few months and at that point I'll be more actively interested in meeting someone. But my point does hold in these cases. If you aren't looking for anything more than friendship, say so. While unfortunately it probably won't deter the mass mailers (its a shame CM can't track that and ban people for it), it would deter some of those who see that cute face of yours and just can't resist taking a chance... okay, in your case not even then. Seriously though, a profile is a good place to convey all kinds of information about yourself... including saying you're just here to enjoy the forums, make friends and even say the kinds of friends you'd like to make. Its a good point to raise because you are right in that my post had a strong slant towards those looking to meet someone "romantically".

And BTW, as someone who has written professionally in the past, that was a really nice thing to say

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 8:05:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Padriag

And what is it with people not filling out their profiles? ....A well written profile makes a difference, if you don't have one, you're cheating yourself.


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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 8:49:02 PM   
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Awesome, as always, Padriag...

thanks for another interesting observation!

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 9:12:10 PM   
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Another thing I see are people falling in love online having never met face to face. Yes, yes I know... you're just sure they're the One


LOL more like 'falling in lust', though I will admit that I have seen a few relationships develop online, between two people who had never met...and yet, they did fall in love...so, it could happen. Though, I personally think its more of lust than love...but who am I to say differently?

Emails, I could really care less about them, but I do agree with you on that point. If someone does not reply to an enquiry that you sent out...oh well, smile, and move on. It's not that big a deal. It's not a personal attack against you ( I mean let's face it, they don't know you ), so stop making it personal.

Filling out profiles. Ok. I have to agree with you here, even though mine is short, almost to the point of being rude. But I do agree, a profile is one of the first impressions that you are going to make on someone. You should take your time with it, and make it interesting enough that a person reading it can at least get some kind of a feel about you.

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People have so many expectations its no small wonder they spend so much time disappointed. I have seen many people say they are leaving this site or that because "I could never find anyone interesting." That's a crock, a big smelly one at that. If you aren't meeting interesting people here, you aren't trying. Now that doesn't mean you're going to meet "The One" anytime soon, but there are lots of interesting people out there.


this right here, I totally agree with. There are so many interesting people in this world, and yes, some of them are even on this site. If you can't meet someone, or at least come away with some that you can call friend...you just are not trying. You have to remember that just because you sign up here does not mean that automatically that someone special is going to fall into your lap. You do have to put some effort into it also

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RE: Email, Relationships, Profiles and other nonsense - 1/22/2006 9:22:36 PM   
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quote:

LOL more like 'falling in lust', though I will admit that I have seen a few relationships develop online, between two people who had never met...and yet, they did fall in love...so, it could happen


i for one would never wish a lustless love on anyone.

st

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