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The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 12:29:26 PM   
zach7


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I love the message boards here. I've gotten a lot of my own questions answered just by reading past posts. I have noticed that in a lot of posts...not all of them...but in a lot of them the person will ask a question and get absolutly bombarded with negative responses most of the time undeservingly. It's either the way he or she asked something or the way the question was worded or they used a word or phrase that someone didn't like then everyone jumps on the "bash the OP" bandwagon and the poor guy or girl doesn't get thier question answered becouse the thread has gone in a completely different direction.
I realize that there are a lot fakes and scammers on here. I think we are all smart enough to weed out the sincere posts from someone who is really looking for help and or ideas from the fakes and scammers. I'm not saying its wrong to correct someone, its the unnessary piling on and the super sensitvity that gets annoying.
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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 12:32:22 PM   
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When one posts on a public message board it's advisable to have thick skin.  You never know what kind of responses you will get.  

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 12:33:50 PM   
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When one posts on a public message board it's advisable to have thick skin. 



Otherwise, crocodile tears sometimes do the trick.

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 12:46:58 PM   
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With all due respect to those that will and have done so, most people often cover up rude behaviour and the inability to communicate with others by stating that people have to have a thick skin, or that is a message board - you have to accept that not everyone will agree or be nice.  Or they state that they just don't sugar coat.  It's all part of peoples inability to accept that words can hurt as well as be a comfort, or that what they say can push a person one way or the other.  On the flip side, sometimes people cannot see the inflection or compassion behind the written word because it's written in black and white.  There is no face.  No hands held out.  The only hug is a virtual one.
On the whole, people converse in the way people converse to them, or how they have been taught to relate.  Personally, I have compassion for such reactions.  It's cathartic.  Of course we are all responsible for how people make us feel.  But we are also responsible for how we make people feels as well.
 
But then, rudeness is subjective and geographic.
 
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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 2:08:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: peppermint

When one posts on a public message board it's advisable to have thick skin.  You never know what kind of responses you will get.  



Your absolutely correct, but there is a definate trend in that people love to pile on someone that may not have expressed themselves in the best way. Thick skin is a two way street, if the question isn't your taste simply move on. If the OP has made a mistake in his or her wording and somebody has allready called them on it there's not much more to be said about it, let it go.

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 2:16:02 PM   
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Your absolutely correct, but there is a definate trend in that people love to pile on someone that may not have expressed themselves in the best way. Thick skin is a two way street, if the question isn't your taste simply move on. If the OP has made a mistake in his or her wording and somebody has allready called them on it there's not much more to be said about it, let it go.


I absolutely agree with you, albeit I've been guilty in the past of doing exactly the opposite. However, there is this certain thing, a little tiny thing called free speech which in essence gives anybody the right to be overtly nasty if they feel like it, given legal parameters. It's just one of those things that are a two way street.

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 2:22:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: peppermint

When one posts on a public message board it's advisable to have thick skin. 



Otherwise, crocodile tears sometimes do the trick.


But when all else fails, panda kisses make everything better.


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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 2:29:53 PM   
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I've just come to the conclusion that my point of view and way of expressing it will not always make me well liked.

There are a lot of people that are nicer than I am. I am good with that. They balance out people like me.

Sometimes I upset people, piss them off. There are people that don't like me because I've called them on their shit. I am good with that too. I don't need their shit.

There are slaves and submissives that are probably excellent slaves and submissives but find me too.......unsweet, un-whatever, too abrasive, too abrupt, too whatever.......to be MY submissive or slave. I am good with that too.

I am fully aware of the consequences of my communication style. If other people don't like it, as long as I mind the rules of engagement, it really isn't my problem.


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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 2:36:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Viridana

quote:

ORIGINAL: zach7
Your absolutely correct, but there is a definate trend in that people love to pile on someone that may not have expressed themselves in the best way. Thick skin is a two way street, if the question isn't your taste simply move on. If the OP has made a mistake in his or her wording and somebody has allready called them on it there's not much more to be said about it, let it go.


I absolutely agree with you, albeit I've been guilty in the past of doing exactly the opposite. However, there is this certain thing, a little tiny thing called free speech which in essence gives anybody the right to be overtly nasty if they feel like it, given legal parameters. It's just one of those things that are a two way street.



Agreed, I agree with freedom of speech and having thick skin. I was waiting to see how long thick skin and freedom of speech would come up, didn't take long. Thanks for you responses.

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 2:41:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I've just come to the conclusion that my point of view and way of expressing it will not always make me well liked.

There are a lot of people that are nicer than I am. I am good with that. They balance out people like me.

Sometimes I upset people, piss them off. There are people that don't like me because I've called them on their shit. I am good with that too. I don't need their shit.

There are slaves and submissives that are probably excellent slaves and submissives but find me too.......unsweet, un-whatever, too abrasive, too abrupt, too whatever.......to be MY submissive or slave. I am good with that too.

I am fully aware of the consequences of my communication style. If other people don't like it, as long as I mind the rules of engagement, it really isn't my problem.



Well, first of all, I disagree that there are a lot of people nicer than you. I think you're one of the nicest people on the boards. Yes, you're blunt and don't pull your punches, but I've never seen you throw a cheap shot. You're an uncommonly fairminded and classy woman. In my opinion, being blunt is far nicer than sugarcoating something to the point where it wasn't even worth saying anything at all.

Second, I don't think you're the kind of poster the OP is talking about at all. I think he's referring to the posters who seem to go out of their way to find something to pick apart in every post, rather than make a sincere effort to determine what the posters is really trying to convey - people who seem to treat every thread as an opportunity to show how clever they are and how dumb the other poster is. That's not you.

Now please don't be mean to me for disagreeing with you. K?


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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 3:57:02 PM   
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Hello zach7 and welcome to the Forums. 
 
 
You will also start to notice who does and does not like each other and who can agree to disagree without being an asshole about it.
 
                                                
                                                                 
 
Some of what you are observing are the inevitable social politics of any group.  
 
 
                                          
 
And remember, we have a whole lotta masochists and sadists in here.
 
 
 
                                              
 
 

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 4:18:12 PM   
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And remember, we have a whole lotta masochists and sadists in here.

 
Hello Vendaval.  Hope your week rocks!
 
I keep seeing this point raised continuously on threads.  I have regularly held up my stance that the term 'consensual' is pretty much a lame buzzz word that people use to try and make BDSM an acceptable activity and I unlike the majority, see it as a void term.  Virtually all people on forums such as this demand that consent play a big part in relationships, or otherwise, define shit(general term to encompass many things/activities etc) as abuse(as a negative term).  But I keep seeing similar statements such as this given up as a reason or an excuse - that because there are sadists here, that makes it somehow acceptable, regardless if the person asked what is deemed a common sense question or not?  It's funny.  Do sadists define themselves as unconsensually abusive?  Meh, but maybe that is another thread.
 
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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 6:52:13 PM   
zach7


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I've just come to the conclusion that my point of view and way of expressing it will not always make me well liked.

There are a lot of people that are nicer than I am. I am good with that. They balance out people like me.

Sometimes I upset people, piss them off. There are people that don't like me because I've called them on their shit. I am good with that too. I don't need their shit.

There are slaves and submissives that are probably excellent slaves and submissives but find me too.......unsweet, un-whatever, too abrasive, too abrupt, too whatever.......to be MY submissive or slave. I am good with that too.

I am fully aware of the consequences of my communication style. If other people don't like it, as long as I mind the rules of engagement, it really isn't my problem.



Well, first of all, I disagree that there are a lot of people nicer than you. I think you're one of the nicest people on the boards. Yes, you're blunt and don't pull your punches, but I've never seen you throw a cheap shot. You're an uncommonly fairminded and classy woman. In my opinion, being blunt is far nicer than sugarcoating something to the point where it wasn't even worth saying anything at all.

Second, I don't think you're the kind of poster the OP is talking about at all. I think he's referring to the posters who seem to go out of their way to find something to pick apart in every post, rather than make a sincere effort to determine what the posters is really trying to convey - people who seem to treat every thread as an opportunity to show how clever they are and how dumb the other poster is. That's not you.

Now please don't be mean to me for disagreeing with you. K?




Wow, I couldn't have said that second part any better myself. Being brutally honest is good, constructive criticism is good. Being dominate or submissive or a masochist or sadist shouldn't matter...thick skin, thin skin, medium skin shouldn't matter...freedom of speach is something to hide behind when making mean comments to another person. A lot of folks that are posting are new to the scene, don't scare em off, help em...thats why they're here...they're looking for answers.

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 8:42:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zach7

Wow, I couldn't have said that second part any better myself. Being brutally honest is good, constructive criticism is good. Being dominate or submissive or a masochist or sadist shouldn't matter...thick skin, thin skin, medium skin shouldn't matter...freedom of speach is something to hide behind when making mean comments to another person. A lot of folks that are posting are new to the scene, don't scare em off, help em...thats why they're here...they're looking for answers.
On the other hand, you do get some people who take disagreement or even questioning of their views as a personal attack.

Or who will indulge in passive-aggressive sniping and then get all indignant if somebody snaps back.


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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 8:53:31 PM   
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But also there are times when someone comes here regular to be an attention whore, crazy person, doing the same dumb thing over and over or to ask advice they have no intention on taking or to complain of their newest "illness". I think the regulars here can think of many of the looney's that came to create drama. When we all jumped on the person because they keep asking advice that they should be asking doctors, or ask advice and then refute any idea you give them, until we finally tire of trying to help and ignore them, people jump on them. The new peope who dont know their background on the boards say how mean we all are. So sometimes it appears cruel because you dont know the full history of the poster whos trolling for kicks, attention, pity party or just because.

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 9:08:04 PM   
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Sometimes a negative response is warranted...and sometimes the response is not meant to be negative but is perceived that way by the OP. Disagreeing is not being rude but it is easily taken that way when as the.Dark has stated you can't see the body language.

Butch

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 9:14:18 PM   
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AMEN to that!!!!!

damn, kd...you're FAST!  My response is actually to Lushy.......

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/23/2009 9:23:56 PM   
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It's not always undeservedly. If somebody is snotty as all hell on a previous thread, it is unlikely that the people he or she was so snotty to is going to treat him or her with kid gloves. Karma you know, what comes around, goes around. Payback is a bitch.

A lot of us do read profiles also, and will see the discrepancies between what the post says and what the profile says. So if the profile says he's a dominant male, but the post bewails his inability to be sissified by some gorgeous young domme, we are likely to point out his inability to make up his mind, or be truthful, or both.

But if we go over the line, we will be modified.


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RE: The Message Boards - 3/24/2009 12:07:43 AM   
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OK thick skin or thin skin. If someone came in here and posted that they were about to commit suicide, how would you respond ?

I have learned ALOT in life and the thing I usually start with is "OK, but you can always do that tomorrow, and it is a one way street, so give yourself a bit of time to think about it". That is BTW one of the most effective statements you can use.

But would people just yell "DO IT, DO IT !". I think not. I think we have enough common fucking decency not to do that, especially when one must turn to a message board full of kinksters for help. None of us wants to see others go, at least like this. While I believe it is their right, it is not always right.

One of the problems with human nature is that too many see correction or contradiction as an offensive act. In most cases it is simply not true. I would suggest that near half of human conflict is caused by misunderstanding, that is, taking offense when none was intended.

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RE: The Message Boards - 3/24/2009 1:09:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

But also there are times when someone comes here regular to be an attention whore, crazy person, doing the same dumb thing over and over or to ask advice they have no intention on taking or to complain of their newest "illness". I think the regulars here can think of many of the looney's that came to create drama. When we all jumped on the person because they keep asking advice that they should be asking doctors, or ask advice and then refute any idea you give them, until we finally tire of trying to help and ignore them, people jump on them. The new peope who dont know their background on the boards say how mean we all are. So sometimes it appears cruel because you dont know the full history of the poster whos trolling for kicks, attention, pity party or just because.


It clogs up the forums when some people decide to go on a mission to single out those who come across to them as trolling and instead of ignoring they create drama themselves.And then people wonder why their posts disappear when they ignore the guidelines and moderators reminders.

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