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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/31/2009 5:13:26 PM

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Did someone mention nationalized healthcare....It's called medicare.

$1,068.00 deductible for a sixty day hospital stay. Medicare pays the rest.

$135.00 deductible for all other medical expenses and an 80/20 plan after that based upon medicare approved expenses.

it seems to work pretty well. Really not an "American" notion at all...We should get rid of it. I love the smell of the elderly decaying.

Rot you fuckers...So long to the Greatest generation ever. Finally I hope Congress will consider my plan of jettisoning the elderly into the Sun.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/31/2009 5:17:15 PM

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Theres nowt so blind as those who will not see.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/31/2009 5:18:38 PM

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new direction by liberals means to be more like liberal democrats

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The Republican party needs a new direction, and Palin "Young Earth Theory" just ain't cuttin the cheese.

PS: edited to add: y'all ain't nuffin but a bunch of God hatin commie luvin pinko ass libs.

Well when it works why change it?

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/31/2009 5:19:40 PM

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Repeating a falsehood over and over again doesnt make it true. Yes, there may be anecdotes of times when it works, but if you work with people in England, as I do almost every day, they are nearly to a man unhappy with access, quality and what they ultimately pay for it.

This is total bullshit. I live in the UK and for the most part the majority of people are happy with the health service as a whole.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/31/2009 5:26:53 PM

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Palins problem was she wasnt allowed to be herself until it was to late in the campaign.
by then it was way to late in the campaign.

No, Palin's (and McCain's) problem WAS allowing her to be herself.

Didn't work out too well though.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/31/2009 5:28:52 PM

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Is funny, I dont see people moving to the US from Canada or the UK for the health care.Those who do cross, have the money to pay out for their issues, the regular joe wont be able to do it. Queue jumping is an anathema for me with healthcare.
Oh and someone else pointed out to me the post about natasha richardson(rip)..... shes not alive, so healthcare, wether US or Canadian, is a non issue.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/31/2009 7:28:41 PM

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Yet, you have taken the liberty to deride those of us who hold a different opinion from yours under the spurious claim that we were trying to be morally superior to you... at the same as you were arguing that you were somehow morally superior to us because of your personal opinion. Don't dish it if you don't want to take it.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/31/2009 11:09:03 PM

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.......and i'm telling you that in the UK the NHS works. Period. You continue to suggest that nationalised health care might not work despite abundant evidence that all around the world there are examples that show it can work.

Repeating a falsehood over and over again doesnt make it true. Yes, there may be anecdotes of times when it works, but if you work with people in England, as I do almost every day, they are nearly to a man unhappy with access, quality and what they ultimately pay for it.

...and if you have lived there for nigh on 40 years you may have a more accurate perspective than talking to a bunch of people who work in the (usually well paid) financial sector, which habitually pays for private health care for its workers.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 1:04:43 AM

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Fast Reply -

If the US health care system works so well why do so many US citizens cross the border into either Canada or Mexico for medications and treatments?

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=1172

http://www.mexonline.com/medications.htm

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 8:57:14 AM

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LOL Ven you beat me to it:)
ALso this liddle tidbit..http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/31/republicans-disinvite-palin-major-fundraiser/
"Sarah Palin is out and Newt Gingrich is in.Congressional Republicans decided Tuesday to ditch the former GOP vice presidential nominee in favor of the former House speaker for the critical House-Senate fundraising dinner in June 8 in Washington. It's the marquee Republican event to raise money for GOP House and Senate candidates".

round and round and round it goes.....
Happy humpday everyone
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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 11:23:12 AM

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.......and i'm telling you that in the UK the NHS works. Period. You continue to suggest that nationalised health care might not work despite abundant evidence that all around the world there are examples that show it can work.

Repeating a falsehood over and over again doesnt make it true. Yes, there may be anecdotes of times when it works, but if you work with people in England, as I do almost every day, they are nearly to a man unhappy with access, quality and what they ultimately pay for it.

...and if you have lived there for nigh on 40 years you may have a more accurate perspective than talking to a bunch of people who work in the (usually well paid) financial sector, which habitually pays for private health care for its workers.

Its so awesome when people prove your point for you when they think they are rebutting it.
Put on your thinking cap...why would a company in any sector pay for private health care for its workers when they are already paying for nationalized health care?

There is only one reason...NHS doesnt provide care as well as the private system.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 12:14:03 PM

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..why would a company in any sector pay for private health care for its workers when they are already paying for nationalized health care?

There is only one reason...NHS doesnt provide care as well as the private system.

.....it's so funny when people think they've made a point but are just hanging on to their blinkers with both hands.

The NHS provides good quality care for everyone. That's its purpose. It achieves it purpose as well as anything that big can. However, should you want even better care than good quality then feel free to pay for it.
The alternative system is that only those who can pay for care, or are lucky enough to qualify for charity, get the care they need. If you fall through the cracks, then tough titties.
Now, you and others clearly see health care as a simple consumerist concept. Heath care a a commodity. Essentially its monetarism, a concept introduced to the UK by Thatcher and hated by 99% of the population.
Some of us don't see health care in that way. Unlike Thatcher we do believe there is such a thing as society......and that we are perfectly able, perhaps even oblgated, to do things for the common good.
Now we can differ in our opinion of what a society ought to do or not do. That's all good. But when you insist the the NHS is a failure you're wholly, factually and apparently wilfully wrong.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 12:38:31 PM

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.......and i'm telling you that in the UK the NHS works. Period. You continue to suggest that nationalised health care might not work despite abundant evidence that all around the world there are examples that show it can work.

There seems to be abundant evidence that the NHS has its share of problems, as well.

NHS 'failings' over elderly falls

Learning disabled 'failed by NHS'

Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait

Culture of targets prevents nurses from tending to patients

Children being failed by health system, says head of watchdog

Our cancer shame: Survival rates still lag behind EU despite spending billions

Failing hospital 'caused deaths'

Health gap drive 'wasted money'

Longer GP opening hours branded wasteful 'PR exercise' by doctors

"Political meddling" threatens general practice, warns GP leader

Children at risk through lack of training for doctors and nurses, report warns

Chocolate should be taxed to control obesity epidemic, doctors are told

1,000 villagers wait for a dentist after just one NHS practice opens

Study that proves the folly of NHS Alzheimer's drug ban

NHS charges to rise in England

Disabled children wait up to two years for wheelchairs

These are just a handful of articles related to the NHS published in the last 30 days.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 12:48:39 PM

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The NHS provides good quality care for everyone. That's its purpose. It achieves it purpose as well as anything that big can. However, should you want even better care than good quality then feel free to pay for it.

Which is exactly what the US has..without an NHS and without rationing.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 12:53:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

.......and i'm telling you that in the UK the NHS works. Period. You continue to suggest that nationalised health care might not work despite abundant evidence that all around the world there are examples that show it can work.

There seems to be abundant evidence that the NHS has its share of problems, as well.

NHS 'failings' over elderly falls

Learning disabled 'failed by NHS'

Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait

Culture of targets prevents nurses from tending to patients

Children being failed by health system, says head of watchdog

Our cancer shame: Survival rates still lag behind EU despite spending billions

Failing hospital 'caused deaths'

Health gap drive 'wasted money'

Longer GP opening hours branded wasteful 'PR exercise' by doctors

"Political meddling" threatens general practice, warns GP leader

Children at risk through lack of training for doctors and nurses, report warns

Chocolate should be taxed to control obesity epidemic, doctors are told

1,000 villagers wait for a dentist after just one NHS practice opens

Study that proves the folly of NHS Alzheimer's drug ban

NHS charges to rise in England

Disabled children wait up to two years for wheelchairs

These are just a handful of articles related to the NHS published in the last 30 days.

WOW...I wonder,could someone with the patience ,the time and the inclination...find a like amount of links that indict our system?

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 12:59:02 PM

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WOW...I wonder,could someone with the patience ,the time and the inclination...find a like amount of links that indict our system?

Why waste the time? Obviously what makes noise is problems, not successes. Studies of access and outcomes are fruitful, a pissing war of links is a waste of time.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 1:00:39 PM

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WOW...I wonder,could someone with the patience ,the time and the inclination...find a like amount of links that indict our system?

I'm sure they could, but that's beside the point.

The question is, why trade in one "functional but with problems" system for another "functional but with problems" system?

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 1:07:11 PM

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To ensure coverage for everybody.Hence the name "Universal Coverage".

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 1:11:20 PM

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To ensure coverage for everybody.Hence the name "Universal Coverage".

Coverage, universal or not, is useless if the care you need is not allowed or not available.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 4/1/2009 1:14:59 PM

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Sorry Treasure,but what is truly useless is available treatments ....beyond the financial reach of one in need of them.

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