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RE: Stop-Signs - 4/6/2009 6:41:28 PM   
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In my 2 relationships, “ouch” is not a safe word; neither are tears ,screams, flinches, begging and general vociferous reactions. There is a lot of trust there; and even when they go past what I think I can or should endure, the bottom line is that they are not harming me. 
Granted, we must all define ‘harm’ for ourselves.
And keep in mind that we did not start at that level; we worked up to it and learned about each other over the years. It helped that I wanted to expand my pain tolerance and so we had a mutual goal about pain play.
Perhaps you could ask him to tell you ahead of time when he is going to ‘push’ it and ask him for a little extra emotional support after.  Good communication always helps! 

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RE: Stop-Signs - 4/6/2009 6:46:57 PM   
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In our relationship, crying and trying to get away is not unusual at all. I know him well enough to know it does NOT mean stop, so I dont. Now, when we are doing certain activities, I know how he moves will mean he needs me to back off but that took a while to learn. If you hadnt told him beforehand what signified STOP, then there was no way for him to know.

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RE: Stop-Signs - 4/6/2009 8:19:29 PM   
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And this is one of the reasons I didn't respond to mail from sadists, I don't like this stuff. I don't like pain, I don't like my pain being ignored, I don't like someone getting off on hurting me. Because when he ignores your pain, it can then change over from ignoring your physical pain to ignoring, or not caring about, your emotional state. And for me, that's a deal breaker.


While some may go that route of ignoring one's pain followed by ignoring or not caring for one's emotional state, not all do. I know sadists who enjoy inflicting pain that the masochist or bottom doesn't necessarily like, who feed from it, but they do not ignore the pain and they watch to see that they don't go too far. Sadist doesn't equal evil and uncaring and there is a difference between hurting someone and harming them. It really comes down to how well you know the person and how well they know you and what you have discussed as far as limits, likes and dislikes, what kind of person they are, not whether or not they are a sadist.

~This is a general reply btw, just sparked by that particular part in your post, DesFIP, got me thinking.~


I think it's my fault. I didn't express it clearly. In my head, and I know this isn't universal, if someone's inflicting physical pain on me, then I will interpret it as him not caring about how I feel. Obviously this isn't true with any ethical sadist, but it is how I interpret it.

If the op also interprets physical pain as not caring, then she would have the same difficulty I do.

My way of getting around it was to look for a dominant bondage top, not a sadist.


I knew there was more to it than expressed in what you said, but what you did say is what sparked me to do a general reply as I did and it really wasn't directed at you, just inspired by what you said and how you said it.

Your clarification put it in a whole different light here. I can understand better why you said it. It is how you interpret pain delivered to you. We interpret delivered pain and those who like to deliver it differently. I appreciate you clarifying. Thanks .

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RE: Stop-Signs - 4/7/2009 2:28:24 AM   
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Thank you everyone for your really helpful replies. We did talk about the whole issue (he apparently wasn't aware crying bothers me so much - there even was one time where it didn't bother me at all that I completely forgot about). Well, anyway, he'll watch me more carefully (he already did pay attention to my responses apparently... hmm... stupid me :p)
So yep, I agree, communication always helps.

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RE: Stop-Signs - 4/7/2009 2:28:50 AM   
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Sorry if my initial response seemed flippant, it was not my intent.

My experience is different in that while Master is a sadist, I am not a masochist.  I never enjoy the pain and suffering, I only enjoy the energy I get from Him; the more He gets excited by my suffering the more I am willing to bear.  I suppose since He knows my suffering is suffering and not pleasure, perhaps He is more attuned to look for signs of harmful distress, amps up the intensity ever so slowly.  So far this has not been a problem. 

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RE: Stop-Signs - 4/7/2009 5:29:24 AM   
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Not a problem :)
You were right in a way - and, with the information given no one could know if we had actually ever talked about anything I guess...

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