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RE: Homeland Security Warns Of Rightwing Radicals - 6/14/2009 10:52:02 AM

popeye1250

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It's funny, the lefties and the righties keep tryin to blame each other everytime there' a shooting, bombing etc.
As though the act of violence and the terrrist's "political affiliation" could bolster each other's argument!
"Hey! He used a gun, he MUST be a repub neocon!"
"Hey! He used a bomb, he MUST be a leftist pinko!"
I mean, does a criminal's political leanings, if they even have any, have any relevance at all?
They (allegedly) committed a criminal act.
"He must be one of "your guys!" is really a stretch. Most people like that would be too mentally ill to vote anyway I'd guess.
Funny, a year ago the libs/lefties couldn't stand the govt., now they lap up every word like a thirsty hound dog on a hot summer afternoon.
I wonder how long (that) will last?

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RE: Homeland Security Warns Of Rightwing Radicals - 6/14/2009 11:01:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

Which side is composed primarily of old, white, rich racists?

Republicans.

Only in the US.

"Side"? you mean there's only two, no wonder there's so many angry people over there ... not even the chance for a young white (ish), poor troublemaker !!!!

(... so much for being the "land of opportunity" !)

... I am disappointed in the US ... why model it's ways on it's former oppressor any expect to be respected?

The US rightwing threat will flourish whilst the propaganda continues to institutionalise it's inhabitant's and instill unrealistic ideas as to where it's threats really lie. As the subject of Naziism came up ... let's not forget that Hitler was VOTED in and more or less everyone (in Deutschland) thought if was great while he got places invaded,drained resources,got pissed off at Jessie Owens and they believed in him untill the country lost the war. The previous US President was voted in (very unconvincingly compared to Herr Hitler) too.[are these things related? ... I think we should be told ...

] Let us all hope that the US comes to accept and deal with the legacy (and the Bush war)

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RE: Homeland Security Warns Of Rightwing Radicals - 6/14/2009 11:16:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

It's funny, the lefties and the righties keep tryin to blame each other everytime there' a shooting, bombing etc.
As though the act of violence and the terrrist's "political affiliation" could bolster each other's argument!
"Hey! He used a gun, he MUST be a repub neocon!"
"Hey! He used a bomb, he MUST be a leftist pinko!"
I mean, does a criminal's political leanings, if they even have any, have any relevance at all?
They (allegedly) committed a criminal act.
"He must be one of "your guys!" is really a stretch. Most people like that would be too mentally ill to vote anyway I'd guess.
Funny, a year ago the libs/lefties couldn't stand the govt., now they lap up every word like a thirsty hound dog on a hot summer afternoon.
I wonder how long (that) will last?

Popeye, from what I gather, I'm "too mentally ill to vote", in a lot of eyes, but that's not a big issue for me, anyone who thinks that is mad anyway if you ask me

.

As for political leanings influencing the criminal mind, I know the answer to that ... but you DIDN'T speculate the criminal leanings that influence the political mind

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RE: Homeland Security Warns Of Rightwing Radicals - 6/14/2009 12:57:47 PM

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"The problem is that there isn't a single accepted international definition of ___________" is a silly argument.

Fine, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. But we can certainly recognize and agree upon acts of terrorism.

Since you're on a logic/semantics kick, look up the Perfectionist Fallacy.

To take your line of reasoning to it's extreme, we can't really know anybody, therefore there is no one.

That's the problem.

In this case, I'm not actually playing semantic games. (Although I'm prone to, so I can hardly blame you for that assumption here).

The problem here for me is with the term "terrorism" specifically. It's entirely subjective and whether something is considered terrorism or not pretty much depends entirely on factors entirely separate to linguistics. It comes down to whether we consider a specific use of violence legitimate or not.

It might help if I gave some specific examples of some hotly disputed groups.

Were the Contras terrorist? The African National Congress? The French Resistance?

You see the issue? The answer to all of those questions is entirely dependent on the political views of whoever is doing the answering.

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RE: Homeland Security Warns Of Rightwing Radicals - 6/14/2009 12:59:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
I mean, does a criminal's political leanings, if they even have any, have any relevance at all?

In cases like this, I think they do, because they're what provides the motivation for the crime.

That's what would differentiate it from a "crime of passion", where I'd agree the political ideology of the criminal is irrelevant.

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RE: Homeland Security Warns Of Rightwing Radicals - 6/14/2009 3:52:42 PM

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JohnnieBoy,

There are other sides in US politics, sure. In the last election, they made up about 3% of the final tally. Sometime back, when Ross Perot was running, there were enough people who switched from the GOP to the third party to ensure that Bill Clinton won. In American politics, third parties greatest influence is to act as a "spoiler" for whichever of the two major parties get their support split from.

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