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Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 7:38:04 PM

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       Forget about party affiliations and non-affiliations, where would you say you fall among the following options?

(Yes, I started a thread like this once before, but even if go find it in the archives and bump it, it wouldn't be here in PnR)

      A liberal will gave a man a fish, a conservative will teach a man to fish, a socialist thinks the gov't needs to control the processing and distribution as well as the catching, and a libertarian might put up a sign that says "this way to the ocean."

     Which theory best fits your opinion of how government should work?

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 7:42:48 PM

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It depends on the type of individual doing the fishing. No one method works for all people.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 7:46:56 PM

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I wouldn't mind being identified with 3 of those labels....but I would object to being called a socialist, though I don't reject out of hand everything labeled socialist.In other words I beleive there are many things Gov't is best suited to provide....though the fish market would not be one of those.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 8:22:43 PM

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Fuck the politicians,if you can catch your own fish they are a waste of oxygen.(and money)

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 8:32:30 PM

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It depends on the type of individual doing the fishing. No one method works for all people.

      We would absolutely have to have a flexible system, Ven, with some complete exceptions in odd little places, but on the whole, I prefer the conservative "teach him to fish" approach.

     There are some things only a government can do, and a few others that they can achieve less horribly than anything else we have, but the inherent inefficiencies never go away, and the inevitable corruption of a little bit of power won't either. The less, the better.

     I also think that passing out fish breeds not only an entitlement mentality among those who take the handouts, but also a resentment from the guys who get up early to be cold and wet all day, and sometimes don't get any fish at all.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 8:39:53 PM

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I would start up an aquaculture farm so the fish could be kept in ready supply.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 9:07:52 PM

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I would start up an aquaculture farm so the fish could be kept in ready supply.

But should the government control your farm, dictate how many employees you needed in order to meet the regulatory requirements, let you write off the interest on new equipment, or tell you that the potholes that keep breaking your delivery trucks were your own problem?

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 9:09:42 PM

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All of that can be negotiated, lawyers aren't going anywhere no matter what political system we have in place.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 9:16:20 PM

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lawyers aren't going anywhere no matter what political system we have in place.

Have I mentioned that some of my ideas might be considered a bit radical?

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 9:35:42 PM

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A liberal will gave a man a fish, a conservative will teach a man to fish, a socialist thinks the gov't needs to control the processing and distribution as well as the catching, and a libertarian might put up a sign that says "this way to the ocean."

I'm an odd mix. I'll give a man a fish if he's hungry, and as soon as he's finished eating, I'll teach him how to fish. If he comes back to me a week later complaining that he's hungry, then I'll put up the sign saying "this way to the ocean." I would be most happy with a government that applied that same general philosophy.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 9:58:53 PM

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If that is your plan, Heretic, save them for fish food.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 10:03:49 PM

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I'm sure we can work something out.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 10:05:01 PM

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*Ponders having lawyers as shark bait.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 10:28:39 PM

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*Ponders having lawyers as shark bait.

Sharks won't eat lawyers. It's called professional courtesy.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 10:35:25 PM

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True. But the scenario appeals to my sadistic side.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/14/2009 10:42:39 PM

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Mine too. But another way of looking at it is that there are probably some things even sharks won't eat.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/15/2009 12:57:54 AM

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A liberal will gave a man a fish, a conservative will teach a man to fish, a socialist thinks the gov't needs to control the processing and distribution as well as the catching, and a libertarian might put up a sign that says "this way to the ocean."

I'm an odd mix. I'll give a man a fish if he's hungry, and as soon as he's finished eating, I'll teach him how to fish. If he comes back to me a week later complaining that he's hungry, then I'll put up the sign saying "this way to the ocean." I would be most happy with a government that applied that same general philosophy.

...i'd agree with all of that. i'd also regulate fisheries to prevent over-fishing, because a lack of fish can fuck up future generations and regulate processing and distribution to avoid food poisoning caused by those interested in short term profit more than repeat sales.

Thing is, all the ideas are good. The problem comes when we are forced to choose just one.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/15/2009 3:13:15 AM

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Has anyone asked the fish how they feel about being used like this?

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/15/2009 7:14:11 PM

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Yes, Local 549 of the Fins & Gills Union is organizing a protest at this time.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/16/2009 1:24:31 PM

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A liberal will gave a man a fish, a conservative will teach a man to fish

You mean a conservative will shoot a man that fishes just in case his cousin is a pirate and uses the boat on the weekend? In this day and age we should be teaching the man to export the fish.

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Which theory best fits your opinion of how government should work?

Are those the only options?

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