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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 4:36:49 PM   
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I don't know why you're bothering to try to hijack a thread about resistance to Barack Obama's huge budget projections, if you're not even and American Democrat or Progressive, but oh well.

So far as the projections themselves go, it's the Obama administration's own predictions (as well as independant predictions based on his numbers) which are being discussed. Three months in and he's saying he's on track to be the biggest spender in the history of the nation - after Progressives here pretended for years that they hate deficit spending.


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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

You have to be part of the US electoral system to be a democrat I was simply making conversation about an observation, you are not the first person to use the term in that way.
If you are going to compare the Obama budget with the Bush one at this early stage in i.e. 3 months compared with the two term total of eight years then the exponential curve is not the best curve for your case, as it will simply say ‘no change yet, still flat’



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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 4:55:55 PM   
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I was told that those protests were attended by people from both sides of the political spectrum and they were as much about local government spending as federal spending. The Californiator for example going back on his promises to not raise vehicle tax which was raised by one protestor I heard, I think he is a Republican.
 
In light of this why would a Democrat at one of those protests be resisting the resistance? You make it about Obama other people have said it was bipartisan against all politicians. These protestors sound like they are suffering from having too many voices and are unable to give one consistent reason for the protest.


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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 5:27:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I don't know why you're bothering to try to hijack a thread about resistance to Barack Obama's huge budget projections, if you're not even an American Democrat or Progressive, but oh well.



......you're not trying to pull that CelticLord stunt are you? The US economy affects the entire world, as recent events have proved. Therefore all opinions are valid.

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 5:29:25 PM   
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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 6:42:23 PM   
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So you admit that we are as a god unto you.

I knew it all along...


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I don't know why you're bothering to try to hijack a thread about resistance to Barack Obama's huge budget projections, if you're not even an American Democrat or Progressive, but oh well.



......you're not trying to pull that CelticLord stunt are you? The US economy affects the entire world, as recent events have proved. Therefore all opinions are valid.


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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 7:22:08 PM   
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So you admit that we are as a god unto you.

I knew it all along...








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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 7:25:45 PM   
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After Bush came into office with a surplus and promptly turned that into a deficit with his tax cuts.

A deficit he ran every year he was in office.

Deficits that doubled the national debt during his two terms.



and obama has tripled the deficit in the first 3 months of his term    

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 7:28:09 PM   
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Prove  it.

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 7:33:17 PM   
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all the bailouts, etc... for a start,
you have a calculator on the pc I'm sure

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871911466984927.html

http://money.aol.com/article/report-expected-to-show-federal-deficit/422826?icid=sphere_wsj_teaser

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/93789



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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 7:48:21 PM   
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TARP and the bailouts are bush`s.

Got a calender?   lol

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 7:51:39 PM   
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did you mean calendar

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/17/2009 7:56:10 PM   
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Yep that's what he meant..........You do realise the deficit your attributing to President Obama (our currently in office 3 mos. President)is built on the back of former President Bush's(he of the 2 terms 8 years in office)deficit

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/28/2009 12:18:53 AM   
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Actually, the Boston Tea Party was over the fact that the British Government was giving a tax cut to ONE COMPANY and ONE COMPANY only. It was a tax cut for the East India Tea Company--which was nother more--than the British government's favortism to one tea company opposed to the other tea companies, whom Parliament raised their taxes on. The Tea Act mandated that the colonists could only buy tea from one company. The East India Tea Company had a virtual monopoly on all of the tea sold in the colonies, and all other competition was practically stifled out. Just like the US Government bailing out certain banks and insurance companies to the exclusion of others. Additionally, you had other taxes like the Stamp Act, which Parliament passed in 1765 as a measure of taxing all public documents, playing cards, and newspapers. What really pissed everyone off was that England did not manufacture these documents. They were an internal tax placed on the colonies.

Do you want more? Additionally, England and King George III:

He.has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.


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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/28/2009 4:33:17 AM   
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Don't forget Obama's outrageous new national sales tax on cigarettes.

Throw that nasty government tobacco in that harbor, and grow your own if you're going to smoke!

Why not ? Govt. tobacco ? The govt. subsidizes (hands out cash) tobacco farming that has an average profit in excess of $4,000/acre.

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/28/2009 4:47:22 AM   
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Actually, the Boston Tea Party was over the fact that the British Government was giving a tax cut to ONE COMPANY and ONE COMPANY only. It was a tax cut for the East India Tea Company--which was nother more--than the British government's favortism to one tea company opposed to the other tea companies, whom Parliament raised their taxes on. The Tea Act mandated that the colonists could only buy tea from one company. The East India Tea Company had a virtual monopoly on all of the tea sold in the colonies, and all other competition was practically stifled out. Just like the US Government bailing out certain banks and insurance companies to the exclusion of others. Additionally, you had other taxes like the Stamp Act, which Parliament passed in 1765 as a measure of taxing all public documents, playing cards, and newspapers. What really pissed everyone off was that England did not manufacture these documents. They were an internal tax placed on the colonies.

Do you want more? Additionally, England and King George III:

1764, the crown had by then affirmed the exclusive use of the British pound note as the currency.

“The Colonists would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War."
Benjamin Franklin from his autobiography

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/28/2009 4:52:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I don't know why you're bothering to try to hijack a thread about resistance to Barack Obama's huge budget projections, if you're not even and American Democrat or Progressive, but oh well.

So far as the projections themselves go, it's the Obama administration's own predictions (as well as independant predictions based on his numbers) which are being discussed. Three months in and he's saying he's on track to be the biggest spender in the history of the nation - after Progressives here pretended for years that they hate deficit spending.

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

You have to be part of the US electoral system to be a democrat I was simply making conversation about an observation, you are not the first person to use the term in that way.
If you are going to compare the Obama budget with the Bush one at this early stage in i.e. 3 months compared with the two term total of eight years then the exponential curve is not the best curve for your case, as it will simply say ‘no change yet, still flat’


Yep, wars and socializing the rich...is very expensive.

"Deficits don't matter" Dick Cheney.

Ever notice how private industry never has much to say about deficits ? It's because they are very, very profitable.

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/28/2009 12:24:36 PM   
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I think it's wonderful how hard working middle and lower income America stood up today for the upper 2% of income earner's right to fuck them over and leave them holding the bag.


That is one of the most brilliant sentences I've ever read on this board.



Except for it's ignorance.

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/28/2009 12:32:46 PM   
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.Call that partisan,but some of us can actually stomach deficit spending if the reasoning behind it is sound


That's where my beef with both parties is. I wish we'd have an option to vote people in that would actually limit spending to what we have.

I hated Bush's dramatic deficit increases. And thus I hate even more the fact that Obama's first 2 years has a deficit far bigger than all 8 of Bush's years put together.

My participation with the Tea Party then was simply in agreement with the root reason for the party - to protest out of control government spending.

I do wish these protests had begun years ago, but better late than never.

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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/28/2009 2:26:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cagey18

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

I think it's wonderful how hard working middle and lower income America stood up today for the upper 2% of income earner's right to fuck them over and leave them holding the bag.


That is one of the most brilliant sentences I've ever read on this board.



Except for it's ignorance.


Feel free to elaborate on why you do not seem to believe that we have had an incredible transfer of wealth in the past thirty years, particularly in the the past eight, from the bottom 95% to the top 5%.  Particularly the top 1-2%.


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RE: Boston Tea Party Was Over A Tax Cut,Not Tax Increases - 4/28/2009 2:34:09 PM   
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Please feel free to take back the strawman - that's not something I said.

Feel free also to read my other posts in the thread as to my actual stance on the protest, and then you might understand why Mars is ignorant.

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