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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/19/2009 10:42:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GYPZYQUEEN

re post #16
small potatoes???
....well  I shall start a post to address global mutilation..rape .murder..and domination of women by phallocentricity


Before you do that, lets get straight that we're in agreement about these issues. I didn't say "the plight of women in history, specifically the last 200 years is small potatoes." I said that certain male-centric words are small potatoes when compared to the atrocities women suffered through history. That said, "Well, this is only a small injustice" is not a valid method of dismissing a claim.

It seems the first post dealt with why pornography and film treat sex as a male-domination thing. (Which is a perfectly valid point to argue.) I'm saying "Just keep explaining 'you belong to me, I can fuck you as I see fit" and you'll be doing your part in changing the world's view on sex.

The world viewing sex as "a male taking a female" is both hurtful to women's rights AND small in scope compared to changes regarding suffrage, divorce, adultery, and rape laws. In time, it will change. The priority is low, but it's on the docket.

Edit: Specification and typos.

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/19/2009 11:46:51 PM   
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I don't see being autonomous as something that needs approval from phallocentrists, and I don't dominate according to what so called submissives dictate or expect.
Being a dominant woman isn't easy, but for myself, fitting into societal submissive expectations of women is what would torture me within a relationship.    M

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 3:34:19 AM   
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GYPZYQUEEN wrote:
I have had sub potentials turn away in baffled confusion from me because they felt it was not DOMME to fuk them( my cock) when I want.. and take cum out by mouth..milk them..

I think you just have to treat that as part of the selection process of finding a sub who is compatible with you.  I'm sure there must be plenty of subs out there who understand that dominant women want to have sex, too.

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How do you as a DOMME explain the above( he will be fukked) to your boy??
relabeling..wording...

I'm not usually a fan of trying to change something by using a different word for it (unless the current word is offensive to people or something like that).  If he thinks it `isn't dominant' for you to give him a blow job, it isn't going to matter if you call it `giving my sub a blowjob', `taking his cum out by mouth', `eating his cock' or whatever else.  The problem is that he has a preconcieved idea that any situation that involves his cock being in your mouth is one in which you are submitting to him.  This probably means that he has other preconceived ideas about what dominant women should and should not do and isn't the sub for you.

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 3:52:06 AM   
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The problem is that he has a preconcieved idea that any situation that involves his cock being in your mouth is one in which you are submitting to him.  This probably means that he has other preconceived ideas about what dominant women should and should not do and isn't the sub for you.
 
I'm not so sure, Beeble.  At one time I most certainly assumed that cocksucking was inherently a submissive thing for a woman to do.  That assumption got uprooted with a pop the first time one particular woman who did it explained how it made her feel.  People can change.

Mind you, I've always felt submissive when I've been giving a woman a BJ - and I've never wanted to hear her tell me that she's felt submissive in receiving it.  I've just thought, 'just shut up and be dominant when I tell you to be'.  ;-)




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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 4:04:39 AM   
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hmm

i think she's saying that cock is always made the dominant in pornos, and even in Femdom pornos women aren't made to look that dominant or something

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 5:07:40 AM   
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I figure it this way, as long as I am telling him when and how to fuck, I am the one in charge. He doesn't get to pick or chose he has to follow what I say.
In some of those porn flicks they do try and make it seem as if a cock is dominant. But I figure it this way, if she has her legs up on his shoulders and is wearing a pair of stiletto heeled shoes, if she wants him to stop all she has to do is jab him in the eye with her heel he won't look so dominant with a shoe stickin' outta his eye socket that's for damn sure.

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 5:32:34 AM   
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Have you been slacking on church attendance recently, Lashra?

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 5:39:39 AM   
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In amongst your post, you certainly do have some valid points. But, you know, porn isn't made to reflect 'real' life. If someone pays too much attention to porn, then all I can say is that is one pitiful education on women.



Porn is predominantly made by men, for men. All porn, including fetish and BDSM porn is made with commercialism in mind. It is also often made by people who have very little knowledge in the niche they are making, and thus their product reaks of those stereotypes and clichés. Most producers of porn have a phallocentric view of sexuality because that is the industry and environment they are in; they don't 'get it'. They are probably not even aware that there are women out there who are dominant, like kink and BDSM, and that their dominance extends to sex as well. They often don't realise that some dominant women do not feel the only intercourse position she can remain dominant in is woman-on-top position. There are even fewer who realise that some femdoms are secure in their dominance and do not fall into the 'dominance-is-defined-by-the-act' trap. There are hardly any porn producers that are aware that a lot of women don't view the penis as dominant, or even define dominance by genitals.



In hetero porn, the lust and sexual focus will always be on the woman and what she can do for the penis; it's all at the whim of male desire and pleasure only. Regardless of the genre of porn, her orgasm, 'real' response, what she thinks, or feels (other than her focus on him), is of no concern. It is unlikely to change whilst the market is male dominated. There are a few producers of female focused porn out there, but I personally find it all very 'soapy' and vanilla, and not to my taste. There is often the notion that for porn to appeal to a female market, it has to be about soft focus, touchy, fluffy, romantic type stuff. Sure, that's often true. But producers don't seem to realise that actually, what most women want to see in their erotic visuals is expression of real (or plausible) passion/lust as well as genuine female focus (regardless of a femdom genre) in porn. I digress somewhat, but none of this will change unless women start becoming part of the market, and demanding a product to their taste.



When someone finally makes female focused porn, that genuinely focuses on women, displays real passion/chemistry, with a focus on BDSM as well as penetrative sex for HER pleasure (in all positions); and also shows a non pantomime kind of female dominance... you can be darned sure I'll be signing up, and spending some hard earned cash.



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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 6:40:24 AM   
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the fact that all heterosexual, potentially reproductive sex is considered "male dominant" in this society


I agree with ShaktiSama. Since "society" considers BDSM deviant, an possibly even a psychological disorder, we shouldn't give a damn what "society" thinks about fucking. It should be pretty easy for a domina to make the act a female-dominant one.

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 6:57:47 AM   
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Today's lesson is about Japan.      

Why Japan?   Because - as everyone might want to know - today is "National Penis Day" in Japan!   What wrong with ours? Why we don't have such an important day in the U.S. and the rest of the world?  

damm the pics didn't show, anyone know how to do that?


 





















       



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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 6:59:09 AM   
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Oh crap!  It IS!  I totally forgot about that!  Awesome celebration they have in Okinawa! :D

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 7:02:30 AM   
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LOL, I have wanted to celebrate a penis from time to time... oh yes, but a national holiday? ROFL! 

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 7:05:24 AM   
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Actually i got that email about 6 weeks ago ;;-)).  You missed it

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 8:03:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Have you been slacking on church attendance recently, Lashra?

Definitely, I have not been since I was oh....10 years old and tried to ask the Priest a question and told me that believers "never question the word". I chalked that up to mean they did not want people to really know what was going on.

Why do you ask?

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 8:09:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

Unfortunately, not all dominant women are emotionally or physically wired to achieve full satisfaction just beating people or sticking things in their butts all the time.

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Unfortunately, not all dominant women are emotionally or physically wired to achieve full satisfaction just beating people or sticking things in their butts all the time.


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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 9:33:31 AM   
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Ech, who cares about porn? It's usually made for men, who just want to wank in some specific...hmm, vibes. So it tells absolutely nothing about dominant women from the real world. Time's a wasting to bother...

And domina can do with her sub whatever she wants, right? So if she wants to fuck with him, there is nothing "less dominant" in it.




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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 9:51:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub
I agree with ShaktiSama. Since "society" considers BDSM deviant, an possibly even a psychological disorder, we shouldn't give a damn what "society" thinks about fucking. It should be pretty easy for a domina to make the act a female-dominant one.


You would think so, but unfortunately it isn't this easy.  Like dominance, submission is about a person's internal headspace as much as about blatant, outward physical interactions.  I would agree with Peon that people can sometimes change, easily and overnight--but sometimes they can't.

I can tell a submissive man that I want to use his cock, that he's fulfilling my desires and needs when we're having sex, I can put things in context with all sorts of verbal domination and bdsm trappings if I like--but if he doesn't feel submissive in the act?  He's not going to be capable of maintaining his erection and giving me the experience I'm looking for.  And as with any other "erectile dysfunction", this leads to hurt feelings and insecurity all around.

Yes, I know, many people have already said that this is an issue of base line compatibility, and that when a domina runs into the problem, she should just ditch the guy immediately as a lost cause and find another.  It's certainly possible that this would be the kindest thing to do for both of their sakes.  It gives her the chance to find a slave who is able to give her the full range of sexual pleasure; it gives him a chance to find a domina who is better suited to his abilities, a woman who will be perfectly happy with the things he can give in a relationship without expecting penetration.

As with some of the discussions we have about discipline, though, the "ditch him instantly" answer is a harsh one for both parties.  I don't think the OP is entirely out of line for bringing up this subject and looking for some other possibility than instituting a flat policy of "no dick, no domme".  Maybe with a little loving encouragement, some men could get over this mindset and be trained to perform as service tops?  Maybe some dommes can learn to do without heterosex and accept a boy who cannot be all things to all women?  Maybe a semi-cuckold or poly relationship structure is the answer in some cases, where some boys provide sexual service and others don't.  I don't know, I just think there is more than one possibility.





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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 10:33:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

Unfortunately, not all dominant women are emotionally or physically wired to achieve full satisfaction just beating people or sticking things in their butts all the time.



LIES!!!! DAMN LIES!!!!!!


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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 4:58:15 PM   
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i am not a Domme but as far as i can tell, as long as it's what, how, where and when She wants it, the Domme  is in charge and in control, no matter what it is that's happening, f*cking included.  Makes perfect sense to me.  Why can't men see that?  ~shakes my head in amazement~

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RE: male fukking female as domming but f to m?? - 4/20/2009 5:49:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SlaveBlutarsky

I've been on the receiving end of some very, very dominant blowjobs in my day. Don't even get me started on fucking and being fucked. I just think of those fond memories instead of worrying about trying to find porn related to it. 


umm, please do get started on fucking and being fucked.  I'd love to hear it.


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