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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 4:31:06 PM

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slightly off topic here but how jewish do you have to be to get a passport for israel? do you have to practice the religion? is it like london where your parents both have to be jewish or just your mother? tnx

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 5:15:08 PM

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 5:22:31 PM

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Well how's this for a contentious thread then? Iranian President, Ahmidinejad (or whatever his name is) spoke at a UN conference on diversity today, naming Israel as a racist state.

Many diplomats walked out in disgust, stating that such a comment was inappropriate, and especially given the nature of the conference.

But, by most definitions, isnt Israel a racist state?

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Lady Ellen...you live "over there", far closer than many of us Americans.

You experience every day, the likelihood that if an international arms race begins....you'd experience quite a bit of it sooner than we might.

Please give your opinion.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 6:02:50 PM

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slightly off topic here but how jewish do you have to be to get a passport for israel? do you have to practice the religion? is it like london where your parents both have to be jewish or just your mother? tnx

It's all so sad.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 6:04:51 PM

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 6:05:59 PM

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Looks like it's not just the Sex that's a Dwarf, doesn't it?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 6:10:36 PM

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I have to say One Thing about UN We should get out of it seens how it was mentioned on first page and Esp since they called US dead beats

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 6:14:27 PM

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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 6:19:34 PM

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I have to say One Thing about UN We should get out of it seens how it was mentioned on first page and Esp since they called US dead beats

Seems The John Birch Society is all over this issue,.......perhaps once we kick the U.N.out of the States they might relocate to Israel where all the Diplomats will need to be of Jewish birth(# of Jewish parents to be determined at a later date)to gain passport.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 8:05:31 PM

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kit, much as we disagree I agree on this one. You don't want an Israeli or US passport in some parts of the world. It makes you a target. From what I've heard a Canadian passport is much better. They don't bother anyone, their money is pretty good and they don't generally go on vacation for the purpose of assassination. In fact they have schools to teach US citizens how to act like Canadians, and at least fool the locals.

I wish we could find some common ground here, like you could admit that they have done some really nasty shit, and I won't blame their populace, nor the Jews still in diaspora all over the world. If you could prove to me that the Protocols are less valid than say the book of Revelations somehow, but how could you ? One is older, that is all. I find truth in both.

Perhaps one day we will have a debate about this, but not today. This is not our thread.

But yes, it is a damn shame. We used to be welcome just about anywhere, but no more. All I can say is we got four years to get someone in the big chair that will start cleaning this mess up. So instead of waiting for the dog and pony show of 2012, maybe we should be talking about it now.

Maybe the Jews should be talking about it as well. Elect a PM who says "Fukit, let them in". There really aren't that many of them, what could they do ? The US has absorbed alot of refugees over the years and while we do have some big problems, they were not the cause.

Even illegal immigrant can't take our jobs, not those of my sister or me, nor could they affect the jobs of my Parents, Uncles and Aunts before most of them retired. Why ? Because like Jews, we took the time to learn something. They are successful for the most part, and envy leads to jealousy, which has resulted in pogroms across the world.

I think that it is possible that the printed word has failed us. I get from you that they can do no wrong, but did you really say that ? You get from me that they can do no right, but I never said that. They turned that body of sand into a significant nation, relatively lush, not quite a paradise but it was a pretty good shot. If it was left to the Palestinians we would be talking about a few goat farms and a couple of mosques.

I am about [] this far from mailing you kit, but it's OK out here. To give you an idea of how I am, let me note some of the story of my friend Jack. After so much bitching he quit drinking for 2½ years. He started again. Now people will bitch about Jack, because he misses appointments and the like. He pisses his olady off from time to time. He even pisses me off. However when people start bitching about him I find myself in a position to defend, even if I am pissed at him at the time. Whatever he did lately, blew someone off or fucked something up, that doesn't change the fact that he practically built the house the family used to live in, and now provides income in the form of rent for the family. There is good and bad in everyone, and to see both sides means you must really see both sides. That might sound like talking in circles, but in a way it makes sense. If you want to know the whole truth, the first step is to be objective.

Israel is far from perfect, we are far from perfect, Iran is far from perfect. The list goes on of course. To recognize the traits of these imperfections is not bigotry, nor even racist, it is simply a fact of life, and it is ignorant to ignore facts. Certain religions, races, tribes, what have you, have certain tenets and beliefs by which they live. That is a fact.

It is no reason for hate, which is sometimes found in the eye of the beholder, not the supposed hater. Understand the I have lived in a world full of imperfect people for a long time. Even my buddy Jack, consider these words - "YOU NASTY LOWDOWN SON OF A BITCH, YOU FUCKED AROUND ON YOUR OLADY AND GAVE HER A DISEASE WHICH PROBABLY CAUSED HER TWO ECOPTIC PREGNANCIES, KILLING HER ABILITY TO HAVE MORE KIDS. " And then I will head for the fridge and ask him "Ready for another beer ?".

I have also done some nasty things, so if I am to hate based on actions, I would have to hate myself as well. It simply is not worth the mental energy. But I savor the truth, and not only will I take it unsweetened, that is how I dish it out. Some read that as hate, but it is not, I assure you.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/28/2009 10:36:10 AM

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I have to say One Thing about UN We should get out of it seens how it was mentioned on first page and Esp since they called US dead beats

Seems The John Birch Society is all over this issue,.......perhaps once we kick the U.N.out of the States they might relocate to Israel where all the Diplomats will need to be of Jewish birth(# of Jewish parents to be determined at a later date)to gain passport.

so You believe Mike that the UN has are best interests at heart Right ?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/28/2009 5:03:12 PM

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I have to say One Thing about UN We should get out of it seens how it was mentioned on first page and Esp since they called US dead beats

Seems The John Birch Society is all over this issue,.......perhaps once we kick the U.N.out of the States they might relocate to Israel where all the Diplomats will need to be of Jewish birth(# of Jewish parents to be determined at a later date)to gain passport.

so You believe Mike that the UN has are best interests at heart Right ?

No,but than I don't beleive that is the Charter under which the U.N.. was formed.Our "best interests" are seen to most efficiantly by our gov't.
On the other hand there are international issues in which the U.N. serves the general good of humanity.....not perfectly ,but till you have another international body in mind...we would seem to be best served by the current body.Imperfect as it is.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/29/2009 9:48:12 AM

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The UN is pretty much useless. They can't stop us from doing whatever we please, same with Israel, Russia, China and all the big players. The rest of them are penny ante punks, they might kill a herd of goats somewhere but that's about it.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/29/2009 12:19:38 PM

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People go on about the ineffectual U.N. but it's the thing that brings all these heads of state together to talk in one place. Without it all you are left with is even more suspicion and paranoia about what the aims of each nation state are.

Please tell me what the alternative is?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/29/2009 3:34:16 PM

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I wish we could find some common ground here, like you could admit that they have done some really nasty shit, and I won't blame their populace, nor the Jews still in diaspora all over the world. If you could prove to me that the Protocols are less valid than say the book of Revelations somehow, but how could you ? One is older, that is all. I find truth in both.

It's already been explained to you that the protocols were made up. It is mostly a plagarization of an anti Napoleon satire.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/29/2009 4:00:45 PM

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Term actually tried to engage me in a public duel over this - he has faith in his holy book.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/29/2009 11:20:27 PM

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The thread got pulled. OK, I guess the status quo goes on. I could take a fucking walk, but no, it's OK, a bit of flame now and then is OK. Try to hit my left side next time OK ?

And this "been explained to you already" shit, forget it. I thought I made it clear that does not work on me, when one questions everything, one questions everything. "I've been told before". Yes I have been told many things before. I question what was uttered by Plato, Nostradamus, Neitzche(sp), anyone. Now convince me with your smopes and what have you.

If I just accepted what everyone believed about a subject, why the hell would I bring it up ? I even question snopes.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/29/2009 11:34:25 PM

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The thread got pulled. OK, I guess the status quo goes on. I could take a fucking walk, but no, it's OK, a bit of flame now and then is OK. Try to hit my left side next time OK ?

And this "been explained to you already" shit, forget it. I thought I made it clear that does not work on me, when one questions everything, one questions everything. "I've been told before". Yes I have been told many things before. I question what was uttered by Plato, Nostradamus, Neitzche(sp), anyone. Now convince me with your smopes and what have you.

If I just accepted what everyone believed about a subject, why the hell would I bring it up ? I even question snopes.

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So you ignore plentiful proof because you dislike the outcome? I guess that puts paid to your various and sundry claims of being an open minded inqurirer.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/30/2009 8:36:03 AM

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I am ready to drop it. They won't let me start a thread about it, and I don't think it's right to pervade the whole forum with the subject. Now what was the OP about ?

Oh Israel, that's right. I believe they are a racist, or at least a seperatist state, but really I don't think Iran has much to brag about in their "quest" for true egalitarianism. Someone said something about the pot calling the kettle black, I agree.

However I do think Israel should take down the wall, let the people in and just get along.

And if Iran wants the bomb, why not ? Just let them know in plain terms that if they use it there will be no more Iran.

And as far as the seperatism goes, I have no problem with it. I am just as bad because I would rather hear a car stereo blasting the Rolling Stones than Jay Z.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/30/2009 8:42:24 AM

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Term, you do realise that 'book' (and I use that term vaguely) is nothing but plagerism don't you? That it's all stolen? And that it has been verified as a fake? It's hate properganda, manipulated so as to seem authentic?
Apology for hijack.

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