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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/30/2009 9:01:36 AM

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D&TD, I am ready to drop it. I found it very interesting but others do not. We are wrecking too many threads about this. The fact is I don't care if it was typed out at random, like the so many monkeys typing Shakespeare thing.

I have apologized and called for a truce, we cannot debate this here. Also, the issue is not really all that important.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/30/2009 11:09:00 AM

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D&TD, I am ready to drop it. I found it very interesting but others do not. We are wrecking too many threads about this. The fact is I don't care if it was typed out at random, like the so many monkeys typing Shakespeare thing.

I have apologized and called for a truce, we cannot debate this here. Also, the issue is not really all that important.

T

I'm not really debating the book itself Term. It's more in the context of truth and giving credit where it's due. The thing is Term, is that you found it interesting, but wouldn't you rather read the original words in it's original context, rather than a book that plagerised? Forget the book itself and all that it's about for the moment, but focus on the fact that it was a plagerisation of other text, so surely your interest should be focused on the original author and book and the context it is in(satire), instead of a lie? It wasn't random, it was plagerised. It's important because it was originally fiction, not fact. Satire, not serious. It's a whole different ball game.

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If you could prove to me that the Protocols are less valid than say the book of Revelations somehow,

The answer is there in the original text of the original book, if you really want that answer. I understand you called a truce, and I am not really bothered about the context of the book itself, rather the issue of plagerism and more importantly - the context. That makes something like the statement made in the OP directly linked.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/30/2009 5:17:01 PM

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OK, without bringing up the sordid subject again, let's say I found some very profound, even prophetic words in the lyrics to a song. How much would it matter who wrote it ?

I am a 48 year old Man in Cleveland, typing in my kitchen. My education in certain areas has been quite extensive and I have a decent job. However that education was lacking in certain areas. I have been caught in mistakes and admit it, but do you then block or ignore me completely ? Do you then assume that anything I say is not worth listening to at all ? I think not, as evidenced by the existence of your response. That's what I mean by not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Thanks to everyone who has put up with this shit, I'll try not to get the gallery in an uproar again. Can't make any promises, except possibly to make the effort. My detailed response is down in Polls.

And just to touch upon something that actually relates to the OP, Iran ran it's mouth, people walked out. That is ignorant. Iran has stated that they would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the Earth. As such I would think it be in their interest to hear every word. Ever hear the saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" ? The speaker may have revealed some important information.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/1/2009 2:47:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
OK, without bringing up the sordid subject again, let's say I found some very profound, even prophetic words in the lyrics to a song. How much would it matter who wrote it ?

It does matter Term. The context and the who and the when all matter.

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I am a 48 year old Man in Cleveland, typing in my kitchen. My education in certain areas has been quite extensive and I have a decent job. However that education was lacking in certain areas. I have been caught in mistakes and admit it, but do you then block or ignore me completely ? Do you then assume that anything I say is not worth listening to at all ? I think not, as evidenced by the existence of your response. That's what I mean by not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I do not block any responses from the boards. I find it a complete waste of time and honestly cannot understand people that do. Everyone has something to say BUT you also have to take into consideration where their information comes from. If there information is plagerised and meant to be in a different context, then I would disregard the information. I see peoples words taken out of context all the time. That is more likely to distrust that persons integrity and not take them seriously OR see that they may have another (personal) agenda. This revolves around the OP. Unfortunately it ends up being something like the boy that cried wolf.

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And just to touch upon something that actually relates to the OP, Iran ran it's mouth, people walked out. That is ignorant. Iran has stated that they would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the Earth. As such I would think it be in their interest to hear every word. Ever hear the saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" ? The speaker may have revealed some important information.

Maybe if people only see enemies, they become blind to everything else.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/1/2009 8:52:20 AM

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I will take that as your point of view, as valid as any other. However let's just say it is song lyrics, would it matter if it were written by Paul Simon or Todd Rungren ? Or me ?

The answer in the end,
Is the answer from within

That is from a song I wrote a couple of years ago. Is it less valid because there is no big name attached to it ?

Just a point to ponder. The whole can of worms is starting to rot actually. My point now is that I regret my part in the total derailment of this thread. I don't really appreciate it when it happens to my threads, and as they say, do unto others........

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/1/2009 11:17:37 AM

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I will take that as your point of view, as valid as any other. However let's just say it is song lyrics, would it matter if it were written by Paul Simon or Todd Rungren ? Or me ?

T

It depends on the context.

And I don't believe this sways from the OP at all. It is about the context. View the person making the statement. See their history. View their bias. Then the words become pretty clear.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/1/2009 11:27:33 AM

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And this "been explained to you already" shit, forget it. I thought I made it clear that does not work on me, when one questions everything, one questions everything. "I've been told before". Yes I have been told many things before. I question what was uttered by Plato, Nostradamus, Neitzche(sp), anyone. Now convince me with your smopes and what have you.

Forget Snopes. Get "Warrant for Genocide" by Norman Cohn from your local library. It has a full textual analysis alongside the book the Protocols was based on. It simply wouldn't be possible for me to do the same here without spending ten pages of comments on nothing but text comparison.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/1/2009 11:30:08 AM

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OK, without bringing up the sordid subject again, let's say I found some very profound, even prophetic words in the lyrics to a song. How much would it matter who wrote it ?

You can't seperate the medium and the message in that way. That's like arguing that Howard Zinn's Marxism has no bearing on his analysis of history.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/1/2009 11:43:57 AM

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In the sense that Israel is a state set up for one people - whether defined ethnically or religiously, and unlike other democratic states does not celebrate and promote multi-culturalism and is organised in such a way as to prevent any change to the mono-cultural environment which forms it.

It is a situation comparable to we in England declaring that belonging to the Church Of England, and being able to prove that one's ancestors were members likewise, is the sole arbiter of whether one should receive democratic rights within England which should rightly attach to anyone naturalising into any other westernised democracy. Were we to declare such a thing we should be condemned as racist.

Notwithstanding the reasons behind the prevention of multi-cultural democratic influence within Israel, it meets the description of a racist state within most definitions thereof.

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Racist against whom? Since race is not involved. But if you would be called racist you would be racist against them all which is not racism at all. If you are in control of your territory and decide not to allow anybody else in but Redheads that would be your choice. I would consider it a stupid criteria but it's your decision none the less. If they decide to keep everybody else out that's for them to decide. Nobody else should have any say as long as they are not forcing their citizens to stay in.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/1/2009 5:01:29 PM

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The Iranian president has far bigger issues than worrying over what Israel is doing, not least the abysmal state of human rights in his own country. That it is the only Shiite Muslim state in the world suggests a somewhat false sense of security and the sooner he is out of power the better.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/1/2009 5:40:31 PM

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"If you are in control of your territory and decide not to allow anybody else in but Redheads that would be your choice"

And why could they do that and I can't ?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/2/2009 2:16:08 PM

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Beside the point since it's a religion not a race, not like people can't escape it like people born with traits such as not having red hair, even that could be escaped but it's your natural identity so why would you want to? Racism is a nonsense concept if you are going to say only certain discrimination gets to be called racism. For me discriminating against people based on hair colour, eye colour or nose type would be just as racist as discriminating based on skin colour. Race who is a race anyway, where are these clear lines that separate?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/2/2009 2:44:11 PM

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Being a jew I will admit, Israelis can be a very racist people.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/2/2009 3:16:44 PM

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Being a jew I will admit, Israelis can be a very racist people.

Whoever said stupidity wasn't universal

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/2/2009 4:33:10 PM

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Not really. He says he supports the 2 state solution meaning one state for the Jews and one for the Arabs.
In Iran, there are more Jews then anywhere else in the area except for Israel. This is because, unlike the US, during WWII Iran offered European Jews Iranians passports to get them out of Nazi hands.
The 12 synagogues in Tehran function without problem or harassment – unlike Mosques in this country. The Iranian constitution requires that at least 2 representatives of the Jewish community be represented in their parliament.
Look these things up and when you find they are true ask yourself why you don’t typically hear them in this country.
If the US constituted itself as a Protestant country with a board of ministers able to overrule any law we would call it racist. Israel is a Jewish state with a board of Rabbis who can overrule any law.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/3/2009 2:34:23 PM

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The Kol Nidre Rae. It might as well be a race, as they are fiercely loyal. Actually a commendable trait in my view.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/5/2009 7:20:50 PM

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But, by most definitions, isnt Israel a racist state?

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Well how's this for a contentious thread then? Iranian President, Ahmidinejad (or whatever his name is) spoke at a UN conference on diversity today, naming Israel as a racist state.

Many diplomats walked out in disgust, stating that such a comment was inappropriate, and especially given the nature of the conference.

But, by most definitions, isnt Israel a racist state?

Cue 273 pages of contentious debate

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Lady Ellen...you live "over there", far closer than many of us Americans.

You experience every day, the likelihood that if an international arms race begins....you'd experience quite a bit of it sooner than we might.

Please give your opinion.

"over (fucking) there" are you having a laugh?

I'm glad you are confident in representing the many of you "Americans" that live on your continent.

It's playtime (want to sing your anthems first ... that should take about two days) let's play "hear no evil,see no evil,speak no evil" first shall we ? ... the USA should win that (must make an effort so that all the participants experience winning at least ONE) then we can move on to "pin the tail on the racist" ... thats when the decision making gets sickening (specially if you've been fed too many sweets by a sugar daddy superpower)

Perhaps then we can go for "name the American anthem" (I always get stuck on Brazil because I don't speak Portugese and the USA one is annoying me because everyone hums in the middle as if they don't know the words and I know there really are a few)

Someone is bound to say the right things to fuck the topic up now but I will not enter this topic in debate.

Israel is a racist state.Fact

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/5/2009 7:33:13 PM

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People go on about the ineffectual U.N. but it's the thing that brings all these heads of state together to talk in one place. Without it all you are left with is even more suspicion and paranoia about what the aims of each nation state are.

Please tell me what the alternative is?

You say ... even more (suspicion and paranoia)! There is enough suspicion and paranoia (and needless death) to prove that the UN "security" council is toothless and populated by frauds.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/5/2009 7:33:49 PM

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Pretty snarky sounding there Pirate. You are aware people are just settling down from the riot I caused right ?

Although it does give me an idea, how about a snarky set of words to the US national anthen ? I know they already got home of the fee and land of the slave, but I think we can go alot farther than that. All it takes is a bit of creativity.

Would sort of be like kicking someone when they're down though, don'cha think ?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 5/5/2009 7:41:58 PM

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Nope,I missed your riot,now I'm really pissed off,I live for a good riot too.

New set of words to the US anthem tune eh? ... I suspect thats been done a few times but it is bound to be overdue (I'm sure the Chinese version will be in place shortly after 2012 when the World [Mayan calendar] ends ...)

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