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LadyHibiscus -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 1:22:43 PM)

Perhaps you could come help me deal with my basement?  I have an alarming number of things that need to be given away or organized.




PeonForHer -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 1:28:35 PM)

Er . . . basement?   Spooky.  Converting a basement into a room happens to be one of my little projects at the moment.




KoolnSassy -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 1:35:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

Ah yes, the more mysterious of people here. It's something which gets on my goat.

You get a sentence. Maybe two. Just enough to make you want to reply back to know more. You check the profile and that doesn't give much away and so you write back and you get another two sentences back with a request to go on Yahoo or MSN, and so you log in and wait for them to appear.

Then comes the killer question...

'What would you like to know about me?'

Whatever you can tell me you prize pilchard!!!

I mean how are we going to get to know one another? Crystal balls? Osmosis? Smoke signals? Spiritualism? Maybe I should get the ouija board out and start asking those from the Other Side.

Because that is how it feels like. Is there anybody there? Knock three times if so.

It's like playing Twenty Questions or an emotional version of Battleships.

How am I supposed to get to know you if you aren't going to reveal anything about yourself?

Nowadays I give up and just put it down to passive aggressive behaviour.


Cleaning up the ice tea all over Her screen. ROTFLA




masmiss -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 3:43:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

I've also noticed something else. (Oh Lockit go back to bed! hehe)

When someone has passed a number of your little test and you are willing to go to chatting and they get through a lot more... the moment some sort of power exchange or expectation is presented... all of a sudden the talkative one goes into silent slave mode.  Answering only what you ask, listening until you go silent and wait to see how long before they will speak and if you don't fall asleep by then, you ask if they are there.  I'm just waiting on you Ma'am.  Well shit... bring back that other guy I was talking to last week!

Is this what some of you have seen?  I have only seen it recently and it has me wondering!  What are your thoughts on what is happening when this happens?  I can't be the only one! lol


OMG that happens to me soooo much.  If I've asked the question "are you there?" once I've asked it a million times.  WTF?





Lockit -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 3:51:48 PM)

I do have a requirement when talking to someone because of this.  They are all there and with me or I am gone.  Don't search profiles, answer mail, talk to the fish, beat off or anything other than talk with me.  If you need to do other things... do them, don't talk to me unless you are free.  So I tied to cover that aspect if that was a part of it.  But I just fire them typically.




mummyman321 -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 5:25:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

I've also noticed something else. (Oh Lockit go back to bed! hehe)

When someone has passed a number of your little test and you are willing to go to chatting and they get through a lot more... the moment some sort of power exchange or expectation is presented... all of a sudden the talkative one goes into silent slave mode. Answering only what you ask, listening until you go silent and wait to see how long before they will speak and if you don't fall asleep by then, you ask if they are there. I'm just waiting on you Ma'am. Well shit... bring back that other guy I was talking to last week!

Is this what some of you have seen? I have only seen it recently and it has me wondering! What are your thoughts on what is happening when this happens? I can't be the only one! lol


Hey now.....some of us guys can be a little shy from time to time. :)




Andalusite -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 6:05:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: eleusis
I think this is more a "guy" thing than a submissive thing.  While I hate to stereotype, I'd say 90+% of the emails I get are of this variety- from doms, switches and male submissives. 

It seems to be a lot worse from the submissives than the switches or Dominants here, so far, though I have talked to a couple of really interesting submissive men as well. I've told them flat out, I don't want to do an interrogation scene right off the bat - my profile has a lot of information about my interests, so they can use that as a starting point, but I want to know about who they are as a person! Seriously, talking to some of them is like pulling teeth, so I just give up after an e-mail or two. If they indicate that English is their second language, I cut them a lot more slack.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 6:08:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscusWhat's up with the other guys?   Really, instead of us (we?) women chuntering on about how we need a bdsm charm school, the MEN who are successful should start a course on how the other men should behave.


Like these dorks are going to listen to anything we say? I tend to think it's one of those things a guy either gets or he doesn't get; and if he doesn't get it, he ain't gonna get it cuz he just can't get it. Perhaps I'm being unfair in that, but I've met enough socially inept submissive guys that I feel pretty sure there's some basis for my theory.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 6:24:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Or… am I being too harsh?


Not at all.  Although, to be honest, if a man hasn't told me about himself in his first e-mail, it's unlikely I'd be interested enough to respond.  But I also get the sense that you are a lot more tolerant than I am.


The problem I have, though, is that I'm just not much for talking about myself without some prompting, both in person and in e-mail. I have no problem holding up my end of a conversation, and can type or chatter away quite cheerfully about anything under the sun, but I am without a doubt my least favorite subject. To me, the perfect conversation consists of about 30% me and 70% her. I'd much rather listen, follow along, get to know her - ask questions, comment occasionaly to keep the conversation flowing, whatever, but I can't even imagine starting a conversation by talking in detail about myself.

I don't think a woman has to exactly pry my resume out of me, but for me to start out by saying, "Hi, I'm Panda, here's my story" just feels like the height of arrogance and rudeness to me. It's very unnatural for me, and frankly, I kind of like that about myself. I don't like feeling as though whatever social interaction I'm engaged in is about me. I don't know, maybe that's not what you ladies are talking about; but if that is what you're saying, then maybe I am one of those guys you're talking about.




LadyPact -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 6:31:56 PM)

There's a happy medium between pulling teeth and feeling like someone is completely focused on themselves.  




Venatrix -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 6:51:10 PM)

I think the disparity in numbers between femdoms and malesubs works against those who are uncomfortable talking about themselves without encouragement.  Given the vast quantity of email that femdoms get, much of it completely useless, when I'm ready to start looking for someone again I shall have to be even more ruthless than I am now, in order to cut through the worthless emails to get to that someone special.  That means that an email is going to have to pique my interest enough both to view the gentleman's profile and to respond to him.  Incidentally, a good email doesn't necessarily have to be directly about the writer.  It can be about something I've written in my profile or journal which will obliquely reveal something about him. 




MsMillgrove -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 6:51:54 PM)

What you've described Lockit has happened to the rest of us.  It is a guy thing, they do fall silent, etc.

The level of frustration over this has become so awful for me;  I don't answer most mail anymore, at least not quickly.

One  positive suggestion. If you format your questions specifically, they usually answer. The best one:

"Tell me what a typical day is like for you?"

This query is simple, clear and easier for most males than a broader, "tell me about yourself".  Most replies tell you a great deal about the person.  Because I have spent the better part of my life professionally interviewing people, I know how to ask questions that elict info quickly. 

The sad fact, here at CM, is that most of the time, when I have obtained that info, I've become acquainted with someone who is not a match.

Sigh,  MsM




PeonForHer -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 7:30:19 PM)

I was just thinking, you could save weblinks to posts like that, Panda.  They might be handy should you feel tongue-tied with a woman in the future.   




Lockit -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 7:50:48 PM)

Panda you speak about yourself all the time and do very well!  Maybe you choke up when asked because when you are posting you come across very well!

I have different ways of talking to people and asking things, but for those who seem to choke or I think are hiding something or avoiding something... it is just more difficult than I wish to get through.  I have tried repeatedly to give a chance in this area and things may improve slightly but in the end, when emotional... tight as a clam.  I can't have that in a relationship.  I end up eating them alive.

If I am loving and attentive and do all I can to help with issues or prove there is nothing to be afraid of and they still choke... well, I just can't do it.  There is nothing worse than someone who is insecure or afraid and responding to me or life from that place.  I just don't have the patience for it in certain situations and I know that, so I won't let myself be put in positions like that.

I think there are some great submissive's out there that do not have a problem with communication and if I am fortunate... I will find one of those!  But I would rather talk to myself until the end of time than to struggle constantly over communication issues.  Sometimes I wonder who gets lost in the process, who might be a wonderful submissive... but personally I just can't take the risk.




PeonForHer -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 8:03:49 PM)

I think some will get lost in the process I'm afraid, Lockit.  I have a few male friends who are great company - great talkers, and interesting - but their writing doesn't reflect that at all.  I can't see a way round it the problem, though.  Doubtless, there are many more who won't be forthcoming in writing because they're just, generally, not forthcoming.

I just had the most surreal thought.  Imagine Clint Eastwood - as his usual characters in spaghetti westerns.  Taciturn is an understatement.  How would he come across in a cmail to a prospective partner at CM?  I can imagine a woman thinking "Well, this bloke's a crashing bore - delete" . . . .  Internet dating could see the death of the 'strong, silent type'.




bamabbwsub -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 8:15:51 PM)

This thread is cracking me up!  The reason?  Because I'm reading about a lot of the male DOMINANTS that I've encountered!

Truly, as one poster mentioned, I believe this is more of a male issue, and not just a male submissive issue. 

To me, the ones who can actively engage in and participate in a two-sided conversation are those who are genuinely interested in finding a true partner, rather than merely finding that femme du jour to wank off to.

True, it's very disheartening when you think you've found someone worthy of your time (and, my time is quite valuable to me!), only to find out that a) they aren't the person you thought they were initially or b) they aren't compatible with you after all.

But hey...that's all part of the "dating" or "meeting" process, right?  Weed out the ones (as early as possible!) who don't suit.

Oh, and BTW...Stella, you crack me up!  Osmosis, indeed!!!  [:D]




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 8:40:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

There's a happy medium between pulling teeth and feeling like someone is completely focused on themselves.  


Yeah. You're absolutely right. And I would say  I'm definitely in that middle ground. Once the conversation (or the e-mail exchange) is underway, I'll have no problem at all holding up my end. It's just that the more the conversation leans toward me, the more conscious I am of it, and the more uncomfortable i feel with it. I'm just way, way more comfortable if we're spending the bulk of the time talking about the other person rather than myself, and it's almost unheard of for me to to start a conversation with me as the subject. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to recall a single time in my life when I've done so.

And I know I sometimes carry this to a fault. I had a car accident once; broke my nose, and just about all of the ribs on my right side. They got me all settled in at the hospital, showed me how to work the TV and all that, and I figured I should start calling some friends to let 'em know what the deal was. First one I called was my friend Mary, and as soon as she answered and I said, "Hi, how are you?" she started chattering away about her day, cheerful as a chipmunk. Her daughter this, her sister that, the people at work, etc. I just listened, laughed every now and then, asked a few questions, and thoroughly enjoyed the whloe conversation.

When she was all out of anecdotes, she said, "So. How are you doing?" I said, "Well, not so good. I had a car accident today. Broke a bunch of ribs, and just feeling kind of sore all over."

"What? Why didn't you say something? I've just been going on and on about all this silly stuff that could have waited, and you're laying in the hospital with your ribs caved in!"

"Well," I said, "I knew we'd get around to that sooner or later, and once we did, it'd be the only thing you'd want to talk about. And i wouldn't have gotten a chance to hear your news. So I figured it could just wait."

So I dunno. Maybe i do keep my light too far under the bushel. It's just my nature, and that's the way it is, I guess. That's probably why I tend to do better with women whose thought processes are thorough and deliberate, whose conversational styles are more methodical and sequential, given to natural pauses and insertion points. I never like having to squeeze things in; I prefer conversations where whatever each person says just seems to flow out naturally and spontaneously, and fill in whatever opening just presented itself.




LadyPact -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 9:07:04 PM)

Well, you did fine just there.  Believe it or not, that's still a story about you.




SlaveBlutarsky -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 9:11:12 PM)

I, shockingly enough, have a hard time talking about myself. A Domme asked me about myself recently and I gave her the 'well, I was born in and blah balh blah ' like bio type crap, but I find it hard to really go in depth to someone who I don't know about myself for whatever reason. She then came back and kind of chided me for my lack of a response and gave me a few clarifying things to guide me with and I was fine. For me, it realy depends on how much I've gotten from the other person before I can really tell them who I am.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Tell me who you are... (5/7/2009 9:18:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

I think the disparity in numbers between femdoms and malesubs works against those who are uncomfortable talking about themselves without encouragement.  Given the vast quantity of email that femdoms get, much of it completely useless, when I'm ready to start looking for someone again I shall have to be even more ruthless than I am now, in order to cut through the worthless emails to get to that someone special.


And you know what? I think you just put your finger on a big part of the problem. More and more over the years, I've become acutely aware of what maddeningly dysfunctional dweebs the vast majority of other guys are on the internetz, and as self-defeating as it may be, my reaction has been to just try to separate myself from the medium as much as possible. That behavior is so revolting to me, I don't want to feel associated with it in any way, to the point where I find myself withdrawing more and more from the internet itself just because I feel so fucking unclean swimming in that poisoned pool. It's just not worth the effort it takes to draw a distinction between myself and those other characters.

It's like living in a town where there's only one singles bar, and every time i go there hoping to meet a really nice, interesting, intelligent woman to just have a nice conversation with, there are 500 other guys in the place who've never heard of this amazing new invention called deodorant, wearing clothes that haven't been washed sinced the day they fished them out of the bin at the Goodwill, puking in the trash cans, swinging from the light fixtures by their prehensile tails, scratching their armpits, and making chimpanzee noises at every woman that walks past. I don't even want to try to strike up a conversation with one of the women who are sitting there, aghast and appalled and wondering why they couldn't have had the good fortune to have been born lesbians - I just want to go home, throw away the clothes I'm wearing, and take a shower with Lysol. That's pretty much the way I view the internet. I'm so disgusted with it, I find it increasingly difficult to even find a glimmer of interest in trying to form any relationships on it, beyond posting in the forums. And I think that definitely dilutes  my motivation to make any meaningful effort to write an interesting e-mail to anyone.

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix
That means that an email is going to have to pique my interest enough both to view the gentleman's profile and to respond to him.  Incidentally, a good email doesn't necessarily have to be directly about the writer.  It can be about something I've written in my profile or journal which will obliquely reveal something about him. 


And actually, that's typically the way I usually do begin any correspondence, whether it's with someone I'm interested in as a potential partner or someone I just like and respect and want to chat with. I'll usually talk about something they wrote, and why it means something to me. In the process of telling them what it meant to me, I know I'm also telling them a lot about who I am. That's not the reason I write that way, but of course I'm aware that it has that secondary effect.  It's just the way I usually strike up conversations in face-to-face life, and it feels the most natural to me. If they find  something I say interesting, they'll usually write back, talking about whatever it is I said, and then I'll write back, and they'll write back, and I'll write back, and next thing you know we know quite a lot about one another. Pretty much the way humans get to know each other in real life. The more things change, the more things stay the same, eh?




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