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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 9:11:12 AM

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By your own argument, what you've just typed here has no value because it took place online and amongst many people you'll never meet.

Now you're catching on. I don't expect anyone to find my arguments and opinions valid until they come face to face with me. It's particularly proven by Lady Pact has responded. She's met me and the Ma'am and we adore her and her family (though we haven't met MrP we totally respect and send our love that way everytime they come up in our heads) and this is because actual interaction has occurred. Attachment begins in a real way when people meet. There is a chemical difference in how people's bodies respond when dealing with individuals they know and when typing about people online for a reason.

People weren't designed mentally and emotionally to have only online interactions. Our bodies tell us this everytime. Research on stress responses in the body actually prove this.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 9:22:38 AM

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LadyPact, with repect...you might check how boiJen 'spoke' to me first before you judge me.

I have no issues with how cute he is, and he is, no doubt about that, or how fine he and his Lady are in real life...my issue is with him dissin cyber, something i personally like doing...and as you feel the temperature rising...is this real?

Since you called into question boijen's validity by asking if that was really boijen in the picture, it was only fair to respond that it is, in fact, the boi.

As to your comment, I'll turn the tables. The complaint that you have is that someone is disrespecting something you enjoy. It could just as easily be said that you are disrespecting the way some people live, if you believe the cyber stuff equals real life.

To a service oriented person, they live and breathe service. It's what makes them tick. It's in their blood, their heart, and their soul. They strive to perfect it. To them, it means the world. Their motivations and actions are based on it. They don't shut it off. It's linked to every waking thought.

Then, someone comes along and says that what they type up on the screen means just as much. Can you see how that might come across as just a bit disrespectful?

Oh, and it's not you personally. I kind of have the same attitude about those who create themselves a screen name of "master so and so" and think that just because they typed it up means they are one.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 9:45:03 AM

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As to your comment, I'll turn the tables. The complaint that you have is that someone is disrespecting something you enjoy. It could just as easily be said that you are disrespecting the way some people live, if you believe the cyber stuff equals real life.

i don't understand why you need to turn tables...my complaint is that boiJen does not seem to understand what cyber is but still is quite vehemently dissin it, actually quoting me to start his rant, yes i felt personally involved.
i never stated that cyber stuff equals real life
so no i do not think it could be just as easily said that i disrespect the way some people live.

To a service oriented person, they live and breathe service. It's what makes them tick. It's in their blood, their heart, and their soul. They strive to perfect it. To them, it means the world. Their motivations and actions are based on it. They don't shut it off. It's linked to every waking thought.
i have absolutely no problems with that and understand it completely

Then, someone comes along and says that what they type up on the screen means just as much. Can you see how that might come across as just a bit disrespectful?
What exactly does he think he knows about what gets typed on a screen between two people involved in a cyber relationship? That is like assuming to know what people get up to behind closed doors...
No i do not see how that can come across disrespectful, i see it as someone overly zelous as to how we all should experience this Ds thing...mainly his way

Oh, and it's not you personally. I kind of have the same attitude about those who create themselves a screen name of "master so and so" and think that just because they typed it up means they are one.
i am not sure what you mean by this, what attitude and what does it have to do with a screenname?

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 9:48:03 AM

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Then, someone comes along and says that what they type up on the screen means just as much. Can you see how that might come across as just a bit disrespectful?

What exactly does he think he knows about what gets typed on a screen between two people involved in a cyber relationship? That is like assuming to know what people get up to behind closed doors...

One does not have to know what is typed... the point is, that it is TYPED.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 9:52:43 AM

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Cali, you beat me to it.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 10:00:08 AM

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LaTigresse, No it may not be the same meaning of service as what many of you know or want. But being so far away from him it gave me a feeling of serving him in some small way. It made me hunger and yearn to be able to serve him physically. I learned many things, via online , that he liked, what he expected of me if and when I became his slave. Hey I am the first to admit it wasn't exactly perfect but it worked for us when it had to. Till I could again be in his presence and make his coffee the way he liked, fix a hamburger the exact way he wanted it , folded his towels the way he specified those kind of things.

And Master did want physical service but 1800 miles and a border between us didn't make for daily visits. Beleive me the times I did spend with him I served him and , in his opinion, I served him well.
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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 10:05:03 AM

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that is what you do indeed...you type
you are in cyber now...if you enjoy it you stay if not you turn your computer off
you can type messages to post on threads, you might feel really uppety or happy about your postings or the postings of others
you can also type with one other person...the feelings can run very deep
but no you can never actually pour them a drink...so if your idea of service is only to serve hands on cyber will never satisfy you...not everyone is the same though some people do get a kick out of it just as much as you do when you serve a drink

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 10:06:31 AM

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OK.... I must say this and then I am done on this subject. There is a reason why I serve in the Army for 14 years now. It is so that people today and more importantly, tomorrow have their rights to their opinions. What I take offense to is the personal attacks that go on just because one does not agree with the other. There are way to fucking many people in this world who want to kill us for no other reason then that we are Americans. Agree to disagree. leave it at that. I don't agree with everyone's posts, and I seldom see a reason to personally attack them for not seeing it My way.... if you don't move on.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 1:36:19 PM

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And I don't care about being politically correct about this. Explore my ass. That's like saying if your read enough online and chat online about different kinds of surgery, you can explore what being a doctor is like.

There's no substitute for experience - you only know it's raining because you have the experience of feeling and watching rain. But, why do you think online D/s is not an experience? Online D/s might not be your cup of tea; it's certainly not my cup of tea - but it remains an experience all the same.

Edited to add: it's not inconceivable to think that whereas some of us need close, regular contact, others do not. Being limited by your experiences works both ways - if you've never indulged in online D/s, then how do you know what you can get out of it?

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 1:52:56 PM

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I don't have to go to prison to know that it is not for me.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:20:26 PM

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I don't have to go to prison to know that it is not for me.

I won't attempt to read your mind, but experience is everything. You have an impression of prison, but an impression is not the same as an experience; you really can't say for certain how you would respond to being in prison until you've experienced it.

To me, you're expecting a like-cause to produce a like-effect, but this suggests the future will always be like the past, when in fact it quite clearly is not the case.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:28:55 PM

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No, I am not at all suggesting the future will be like the past. I am quite simply very aware of my own preferences. Very much like I am aware of my own strengths and yes, weaknesses.

I am, at heart, a pessimistic person. I need proof. I need tactile, hands on. So yes, I can say quite certainly that I will never ever have any interest in an online only, M/s relationship.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:34:35 PM

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No, I am not at all suggesting the future will be like the past. I am quite simply very aware of my own preferences.

Isn't expecting your preferences to be constant, akin to expecting the future to be like the past?

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:34:56 PM

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I don't have to go to prison to know that it is not for me.

Are you sure? you might consider cyber as an option if you'd ever find yourself in prison...especially if perhaps you'd be locked up for life and all your inmates are gross.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:37:54 PM

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No, I am not at all suggesting the future will be like the past. I am quite simply very aware of my own preferences.

Isn't expecting your preferences to be constant, akin to expecting the future to be like the past?

Not in my world. There are certain aspects of my personality that will likely not change.

Although it is also possible that you will become a gay submissive.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:39:16 PM

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I don't have to go to prison to know that it is not for me.

Are you sure? you might consider cyber as an option if you'd ever find yourself in prison...especially if perhaps you'd be locked up for life and all your inmates are gross.

Since I am perfectly comfortable with celibacy, I don't see that as a problem. Not to mention, the least of my worries, if I am in prison.....

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:41:43 PM

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Wow I didn't realize this was such a sensitive subject for some.

Evidently there are some people who feel that they can truly connect with another human being without ever seeing them or touching them, nor having the intention of ever seeing them or touching them (as that was my original question - no interest in ever progressing from online to offline). Many of us such as boi, Cali and others don't see how there can be any true intimacy with that sort of connection. That's why I posed the question to start with. I see why boi is vehemently defending her position as she feels so strongly about her service. Let me give a better example ...

I can only speak of my own experiences and feelings and am not going to pass judgement on others. I'm not here to say one side is wrong and the other is right, so take this next bit with a grain of salt. I will say this however - my brother serves in the US Army and spent 15 months in the worst neighborhood in Baghdad, his unit suffered the highest casualty rate of active-duty American soldiers. If you can imagine every horror of war - a sniper taking out your buddy standing next to you with a headshot, watching an IED take out the Humvee in front of you, securing crime scenes of young children who had been executed, being forced to shoot a young boy armed with grenades ... there are things that he has had to experience first-hand that few of us can even begin to comprehend.

Now I've seen the film "Saving Private Ryan" and played war video games on my Xbox while in the cozy confines of my house. Saving Private Ryan touched me emotionally, brought me to tears even to THINK of what it must have been like for those men to go through that. But I could not even begin to imagine what it must have been like to have actually been there, heard the bullets zipping over my head and IED's exploding, seen the devastation and death, smelled the stench of rotting corpses. I can munch away on my ham sandwich blasting bad guys on my Xbox, I can feel touched by a film so real I can get an idea of what it *could* be like .... but I have never had to scoop my best friend's brains back into his helmet. I've never delivered the body of a young boy to his mother. I won't even pretend to equate my "combat experience" to the kinds of things that my brother - and thousands of other veterans - have had to deal with in real life.

So while boi's comments might have been a bit defensive at times, you have to put into perspective how someone who dedicates themselves to real, in-the-flesh service would take offense at those comparing a purely cyber-experience and saying it's just as real because they felt an emotional connection through a computer screen.

Again - I'm not here to pass judgement and say one is right, one is wrong. Obviously my PERSONAL feeling is that strictly an online scenario doesn't cut it for me ... but that's MY kink. Different strokes for different folks - everyone is wired differently.

God bless the men like Mr. P - we thank you for your service.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:42:08 PM

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comfortable with celibacy....oooof...i have suffered some of that celibacy and i was sooooo not comfortable with it....my respect to you

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:43:05 PM

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Although it is also possible that you will become a gay submissive.

Hopefully.

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RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? - 5/12/2009 2:46:00 PM

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