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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:20:38 AM

JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: SubjectProperty

It is no fantasy. Yes there is a degree of falsification of documentation ect to secure the guardianship. Rememer one subnmissive here claims to know a female slave in just such an irrevocable situation.

Such a claim has been made. This, by itself on a message board, doesn't signify much, particularly from a poster who hasn't yet established a posting history from which readers can infer a credibility or lack of the same.

Damn... that hurt. But at least I can understand this statement Mr Warren. And like I told Stef in an earlier post.... I too wished it wasn't true. I've also stated a revised post on how she ended up in said situation. It did in fact turn out to be because she started cutting on her self. And became what the courts deemed, unable to properly care for herself.

But either way.... it's not my place to judge her, her Master, or any of the others involved. What I should of done was not said a damn word. I guess I was looking for an answer to help her with the situation sense it was brought up with to begin with. Because I don't know enough about t to help her get out of it like she wants too.

I do have to add this though.... my credibility or lack of what ever... is no different than anyone else on here. I find you to be a highly inteligent poster. Some times you talk so far above my head, I have to break out a dictionary or go google something you've mentioned. But because you use big words, and come across so much more smarter... doesn't mean your credibilty is any better than mine. You've just been around longer than me. This isn't a diss or anything of the sorts..... this is my response.... and like yours... my opinion on the whole damn thing.

I apologize. When I first read his statement, I tried to find the post he was referring to but couldn't ,and incorrectly assumed (and we all know what that means) it was from what seemed to be a sockpuppet that I'd noticed previously.

Had I found your post or had he supplied your name I would not have questioned the credibility.

Again, my apologize

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:29:23 AM

SubjectProperty

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The fact that youi have posted 1600 plus posts does not make you somehow more credible or knowledable than myself because I have only have 40 plus posts too date. I do not critisise you so cease critisising me without substantial cause or reason. I could challenge you beliefs but instead respect them. Why dont you learn to do likewise. It appears that if you dont like something you attack it rarther than learn to tolerate it. I believe that you have much apologising to do to many people past and present. I certainly do not know all the answers and you most certainly dont either. Have sensible debate and express your opinions without profering insults towards others.

< Message edited by SubjectProperty -- 2/8/2006 9:39:40 AM >

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:36:04 AM

truesub4u

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

I apologize. When I first read his statement, I tried to find the post he was referring to but couldn't ,and incorrectly assumed (and we all know what that means) it was from what seemed to be a sockpuppet that I'd noticed previously.

Had I found your post or had he supplied your name I would not have questioned the credibility.

Again, my apologize

Please don't.. i should of had more than 1 cup of coffee before reading this myself... let alone responding. I do believe I should be the one asking for you to forgive me of my rudeness in my response. I do like reading your postings on here. They're very informative.. and funny. Besides... does my brain good to break out my dictionary, get the cobwebs cleaned off it.

Again i'm sorry....

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:38:16 AM

SubjectProperty

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truesub,
You are a decent young women who appears to steer clear of the tempation to be rude or aggressive and you write with conviction and honesty.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:39:54 AM

IronBear

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OP's a bit upity for one who "claims" to be a slave in his profile isn't he? After all there way and there are ways, and he is not using the right way or protocol y'know. What?

Ahh well WTF whould I know anyway, I spend my time hibernating in the cave.......

"It's all in the game and how you play it........................"

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:48:27 AM

LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
OP's a bit upity for one who "claims" to be a slave in his profile isn't he? After all there way and there are ways, and he is not using the right way or protocol y'know. What?

Well he's not being polite or at all fostering a true environment of intellectual discourse and debate.

But I bristle at your thoughts that it has anything to do with being a slave and being "uppity."

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:48:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: SubjectProperty

truesub,
You are a decent young women who appears to steer clear of the tempation to be rude or aggressive and you write with conviction and honesty.

Steering clear of the temtation to be rude or aggressive..... I don't know about that. I'm not what others consider to be a actual submissive let alone slave. I know I'm not a slave. I'm too damn open minded. It's not really got anything to do with limits, because I don't know where all mine are. But as for being a submissive.. I too stand my ground stead fast on alot of things. Just like in your post about being flogged. My posting there would have others thinking of me as a Dom or a switch. Being neither.. doesn't matter to the one reading the post.

I do write with what I concider to be open honesty. But this being just a message board... like others... we read... we think.. we wonder.. but we don't always believe. And hell.. can't blame folks for that.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 9:58:25 AM

IronBear

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
OP's a bit upity for one who "claims" to be a slave in his profile isn't he? After all there way and there are ways, and he is not using the right way or protocol y'know. What?

Well he's not being polite or at all fostering a true environment of intellectual discourse and debate.

But I bristle at your thoughts that it has anything to do with being a slave and being "uppity."

Gods your sexy when you bristle LA.........................

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 10:07:32 AM

Sunshine119

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

So it appears that this was a result of her being abusive to herself some 6 years ago. (Longer than I even knew they was together, they're been together for just over 10 years) But I've known about the Guardianship order for 3 years when she first brought it to my attention with a plea to help her get out of it. Not knowing a damn thing about guardianship ownership.. I adviced her to leave. Get out. Divorce the bastard. All i've been able to do is sit back and watch for 3 years now.. the bullshit she's having to go through to get out of this all together.

North Carolina will allow the divorce but until everything else is taken care of.. he's still her Guardian... unless it's turned over to someone else or the state. I personally can't and will not get involved on that level. All I can do is sit and be here for to talk to. And wish her the best.

Since I can't seem to figure out how to email you personally now, I'm posting this here, sorry.

Since I run a social service agency and have lots of people who self-mutilate here, I have some experience in this area.

There are two things you can do to help her if that is what she really wants. One, for every person under guardianship there has to be an advocate appointed by the court to make sure she is alright. Now, in many states these advocates are never heard from unless abuse is reported to them because they are so overworked. In NC the adult legislation can be found at http://www.naswnc.org/legislative_agenda.htm

She can also petition the court for release from this as well. A psychiatric exam will be scheduled during which time it will be determined if she is competent to live her life without a guardian.

Self-mutilation (cutting) is not enough to get guardianship in any state. There must have been other mitigating factors involved. If she wants out, there are outs.....can she live on her own? Can she work?

If you need more info, feel free to write me.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 10:22:19 AM

JohnWarren

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quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

I apologize. When I first read his statement, I tried to find the post he was referring to but couldn't ,and incorrectly assumed (and we all know what that means) it was from what seemed to be a sockpuppet that I'd noticed previously.

Had I found your post or had he supplied your name I would not have questioned the credibility.

Again, my apologize

Please don't.. i should of had more than 1 cup of coffee before reading this myself... let alone responding. I do believe I should be the one asking for you to forgive me of my rudeness in my response. I do like reading your postings on here. They're very informative.. and funny. Besides... does my brain good to break out my dictionary, get the cobwebs cleaned off it.

Again i'm sorry....

You weren't rude and I really needed to apologize. I jumped to a conclusion that wasn't correct.

Besides if I don't admit it when I'm wrong then what happens when people later encounter a comment of mine of which they are unsure.

Let's just leave it that we are both civilized people [grin] and make good posts.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 10:39:43 AM

truesub4u

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ORIGINAL: Sunshine119

There are two things you can do to help her if that is what she really wants. One, for every person under guardianship there has to be an advocate appointed by the court to make sure she is alright. Now, in many states these advocates are never heard from unless abuse is reported to them because they are so overworked. In NC the adult legislation can be found at http://www.naswnc.org/legislative_agenda.htm

She can also petition the court for release from this as well. A psychiatric exam will be scheduled during which time it will be determined if she is competent to live her life without a guardian.

Self-mutilation (cutting) is not enough to get guardianship in any state. There must have been other mitigating factors involved. If she wants out, there are outs.....can she live on her own? Can she work?

If you need more info, feel free to write me.

Thank you Sunshine... I did try to get a message to you on collarme... I'm looking into the site you posted as well.

I'll let you know how it comes about.

Thank you again.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 12:29:35 PM

stef

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ORIGINAL: SubjectProperty

The fact that youi have posted 1600 plus posts does not make you somehow more credible or knowledable than myself because I have only have 40 plus posts too date.

You're right. What makes him more credible than you is that he's a known quantity. He hasn't been here posting under god knows how many other accounts and he's not pursuing some hidden agenda. He doesn't start pathetic threads about how he's being persecuted by the evil moderators and he doesn't stoop to insulting anyone that has the temerity to disagree with him. That's just off the top of my head.

If you think he (or anyone here for that matter) owes you an apology, you need to consider switch to a better grade of crack.

~stef

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 12:34:10 PM

BitaTruble

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Adult Guardianship Order; This is difficult to aquire but by no means impossible to achieve.It is expensive and time consuming(from 1 to 2 years) to enact. It is also the closest to real Ownership and oftentimes the power granted is awesome and can include reasonable physical chastisement;physical restraint and locked seclusion. If the Subject absconded then the Police/Sheriff Department would have to search for,locate,detain anbd return the subject back into your custody.

So anyone thinking of exercising real power and control should explore the above possibilities.

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Yes there is a degree of falsification of documentation ect to secure the guardianship.

So, are you advocating that people commit perjury and how do you counter the argument that perjury will make the documentation null and void?

::is STILL waiting for your contradiction in the flogging thread to be cleared up::

Celeste

::edited for an actual typo::

< Message edited by BitaTruble -- 2/8/2006 12:35:27 PM >

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 1:47:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: SubjectProperty

Hello,knock knock,is anybody at home please? I refered to Adult and not child adoption. Do not coment upon matters about which you have no real authentic knowledge and have not extensively researched and sort advice upon from diverse and differing legal opionion.

Then perhaps you should refrain as well---

we are all here entitled to comment, pass opinions, add whatever $.02 we have--we read your comments--take what we need and move on--please have the courtesy to do the same--stef has been here a long time and has as many valid opinions as I am sure you do---

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 2:46:15 PM

veronicaofML

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stef has been here a long time and has as many valid opinions as I am sure you do---

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EXCEPT m'Lady,, stef tends to start trouble..she likes to jump on people for no provocation..
THAT is unjustified...
she is--a human--with her feelings,..experiences...
but
she attacks for NO reason..
she has done it to ME and a few others...

it is one thing to state an opinion...
but to claim someone else is completely wrong????????

no no no

everyone is entitled...she is not above all others.
if she ever had 'a' kind word..it would be different m'Lady

MY 2 cents

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 4:32:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: veronicaofML

EXCEPT m'Lady,, stef tends to start trouble..she likes to jump on people for no provocation..
THAT is unjustified...

When the need arises I am the glaring light of day, a clue-by-four applied upside the head of the terminally clueless and I do not suffer fools gladly. I make no apologies for that. I do take exception to your claim that when I do 'educate' someone, they are not deserving of it.

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she is--a human--with her feelings,..experiences...
but
she attacks for NO reason..
she has done it to ME and a few others...

You're full of shit, wolfie. I've never "attacked" you for no reason, unless you consider pointing out where you're wrong as an "attack."

quote:

it is one thing to state an opinion...
but to claim someone else is completely wrong????????

Sometimes people are completely wrong. Uh oh, I suppose that's an attack too.

quote:

everyone is entitled...she is not above all others.
if she ever had 'a' kind word..it would be different m'Lady

Everyone is entitled to what?

As for kind words, I spend a *considerable* amount of time here answering questions and providing information on all manner of subjects. You don't provide a fraction of a percent of the service I do here. Some "SERVICE ONLY" submissive you are.

~stef

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 8:43:45 PM

veronicaofML

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As for kind words, I spend a *considerable* amount of time here answering questions and providing information on all manner of subjects. You don't provide a fraction of a percent of the service I do here. Some "SERVICE ONLY" submissive you are.

~stef

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grow up stef
you aint the town cryer

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 10:30:18 PM

stef

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Don't like being called on your lies? You better get used to it wolfie.

~stef

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 11:00:10 PM

slave4Darby3d

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I've watched from the sidelines quite the flurry over this. I gently offer this:

SubjectProperty - While I appreciate your taking the time to write your lengthy pieces, I felt you took a stab at anyone who feels that they are a slave. Whether you believe that a slave needs to be "legally" owned to be owned is of no consequence to one who has given over control, to whatever degree, to another. I have done such a thing. Do I need the law to tell me I have no rights and freedoms in order to solidify my feeling of ownership? Certainly not. True slavery - truly owned property - is not something the laws of my country allow. So, in the absence of THAT freedom I offer my own. Yes, my expressing myself, offering myself, and being accepted as a slave is an exercise of my freedom. Consensual Slavery. And, yes, at any moment I could unlock my collar and cuffs, change my passwords, change the locks, etc. What truly does it for me is that I choose not to. My Master needs no paper (although he does have some), he needs no locks (although he has those too), he needs no validation by anyone outside of us that he is my Master. I feel it as deeply and as truly as my own pulse. The fact that I get to live this, and experience the true shared joy (and pain) of it with Him, transcends any border, boundary or law.

Kindly reserve your dissertations and definitions - speak of who YOU are and what YOU are, and give me an opportunity to appreciate you for it.

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RE: How to aquire Power and Control akin to Ownership w... - 2/8/2006 11:02:05 PM

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*sigh* No, Sir.

see:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_212364/mpage_1/key_13th%2CAmendment/tm.htm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_122105/mpage_4/key_13th%252CAmendment/tm.htm#123193

There is no legal evasion of the 13th amendment. However, illegal slave trading goes on, and some other countries may still recognise slavery. i am not an expert on international law.

candystripper

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