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Why is Master getting soft? - 6/1/2009 6:33:30 PM   
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He has become very emotional, needy, and insecure around me.  Even his voice gets a higher pitch when we are talking. I have seen him to the point of teary-eyed at just regular conversations. We do not live together and have been in our M/s relationship for just over a year. When we are out in public his personality changes to the other extreme to domineering and is obviously very offensive by the way people react to him.  This personality change was sudden, but seemed to occur right around the time our relationship got serious and he first told me he loved me.  There is nothing in his life that I am aware of that could be causing extreme stress.  Could it be because he fell in love with me that is causing the problem?  I just am not feeling the dom in him anymore and it is hard to submit when I do not feel that control.
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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/1/2009 6:38:47 PM   
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TALK  to him..you are closest...

we are strangers...and could not know why

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/1/2009 6:40:36 PM   
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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/1/2009 6:53:27 PM   
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It is so difficult when people ask the readers of this forum to read the mind of someone we do not know.  There are dozens of reasons he might be acting the way he is.  Communication is the key here.  You need to sit down with him, calmly, and discuss your concerns.  We can not do that for you.  

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/1/2009 7:03:35 PM   
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WOW. Talk about a mood killer. Maybe he just doesn't do vulnerability well, but you really should talk to him about it. There might be other issues in play that you aren't aware of.

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/1/2009 7:10:36 PM   
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High-pitched voice and tears are not necessarily signs of insecurity or neediness.  Being brash and angry to the point where you offend everyone in sight -- now that's a sign of insecurity.

I'm a pretty dominant, get-er-done kind of person, but the times I've cried in front a woman have usually been because of overwhelming happiness.

I can't tell from your post if he is needy and insecure, or if you are interpreting his behavior that way because he's no longer uber-domly-dom.  And of course there's been a change.  He gave you power.  You are able to hurt him now, if you don't reciprocate his love, or if you choose to leave.  He is unbelievably vulnerable to you.


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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/1/2009 7:21:15 PM   
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If it's a personality change, I'd guess something's going on with him emotionally (I'd look at the growing closser you noted since the timeframes coincide).  If he didn't appear to be able to control it, I'd be wondering about mood cycling from a psychological disorder.
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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/1/2009 11:17:39 PM   
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I'm struggling to find something in the content you wrote that comes across well, even if I'm trying to pry for information. Such as your description of his dominance being paralleled to public offensiveness. Being loud and obnoxious are not what most people would consider Domly traits. If that is what translates as Domly to your psyche then (pushing aside the personal assessment of it) it almost makes sense that his open vulnerability would certainly compromise the dynamic. Particularly since you refer to that vulnerability as "soft", which suggests the emotional masochist in you doesn't get fed from it.

So...there may not need to be more information divulged. It strikes me that you do not want a D/s relationship with a love that can be expressed in gentler emotional ways...which is perfectly and totally your choice. However, it appears that is suddenly what you have on your hands. You should be telling him precisely what you've written here.

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 3:17:43 AM   
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Oh just tell him to stop being such a pussy. That should fix it.

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 5:35:45 AM   
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Have you tried asking him?
Perhaps asking him if something is bothering him because he does not seem to be himself lately.

IF he has undergone a "personality change" could you encourage him to see his Dr?
It might be that he feels softer around you but it could be depression, something hormonal or neurological.

There is a good thread on balancing love with being a Master.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1240921/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1240921 

But really, I find myself wondering if you have tried telling him what you need.
He is your master, that does not make him a mind reader.
He isn't going to know what you feel or think unless you tell him.
You aren't going to know how he feels or thinks unless you ask him.

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 6:59:07 AM   
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When I read the heading, I thought the Master was suffering from FDS (Floppy Dick Syndrome).

Why do you say he is getting soft? because he is showing his emotional side and cries? Stone the bloody crows, I was brought up that men don't cry or show emotion, halfway through my first tour of 'Nam I learned to open up and cry and that it was good and healthy to cry. Perhaps the Master is developing his emotional side and is strong enough to allow you to see it.

Just talk to the bloke and ask him what is going on and let him know how it is affecting you.


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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 8:28:49 AM   
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quote:

When I read the heading, I thought the Master was suffering from FDS (Floppy Dick Syndrome).

*snicker*

to the OP:

try asking him, you might just be surprised at the answers you receive back

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 8:40:09 AM   
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people can  be  three dimentional at the  very least.plus or  minus......... and the few with  hidden shallows .
 theres more to Him than you thought  .but you wont come to understand if you dont ASK HIM.  try to  see it as an opportunity to learn about Him and how He ticks....i hope Hes  who you thought He was, and that you both find a way to be happy.

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 10:14:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear


Why do you say he is getting soft? because he is showing his emotional side and cries? Stone the bloody crows, I was brought up that men don't cry or show emotion, halfway through my first tour of 'Nam I learned to open up and cry and that it was good and healthy to cry. Perhaps the Master is developing his emotional side and is strong enough to allow you to see it.




I completely agree, I think that it is really counter productive giving men those messages, emotion is bad 'big boys don't cry' 'be brave' all that does is cause the suppression of important feelings and often an uncommunicative response. Something that is all over the boards at the moment.

Emotion is healthy, it doesnt make people 'soft'

I also agree OP that you need to talk to him. That is the only way that you will know what is going on.

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 10:41:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: colouredin

I completely agree, I think that it is really counter productive giving men those messages, emotion is bad 'big boys don't cry' 'be brave' all that does is cause the suppression of important feelings and often an uncommunicative response. Something that is all over the boards at the moment.

Personally, I totally agree. However, I refrained from making that assessment myself because it's not pertinent to the OP's situation. It would appear she does see dominance translated in a 'boys don't cry' demeanor and it's not really our place to call it good or bad. The only apparent problem is she's in a relationship with a Dom who no longer has that stalwart, ironclad exterior.

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

I also agree OP that you need to talk to him. That is the only way that you will know what is going on.

And this is also something being echoed here that I don't think applies. It strikes me that her finding out the reason he is 'softening' isn't really important. The fact that he already has is changing the dynamic for her. It's done. Talking to him may glean for her some information that she may decide alters her view of him back to feeling he is more dominant (and I'm all thumbs up for communication), but it seems the damage is already done.

The issue really lies within her and whether she is able to fathom a reason for his 'softening' that would be internally believable/acceptable for her to still feel submissive to him.

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 10:57:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Oh just tell him to stop being such a pussy. That should fix it.


Yep... mom always said "big boys dont cry".  Dad always said "I'll give you something to cry about"
I have zero tolerance for cry babies of either gender.  To all the whiney bitches in the world...man up

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 1:44:00 PM   
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Hey All, theheartofglass

I think you are finding out what most people in relationships end up encountering, M/s or not, that is, that people are real, and the ideal of a pure dom is more of a myth than you thought.

There is an old quote, from another discipline altogether that I believe applies here, in respect to martial arts and other esoteric practices. When a person begins to criticize, judge, or act as if they know better than the teacher, then no fruitful work can be done, it is time to move on, to leave and either find a new teacher, or become ones own teacher.

This applies to D/s, when you begin to see the mistakes of your Master, when you sense that he is not what he originally appeared to be, then it is time to evaluate yourself and him in the context of your relationship. A Dom who acts this way is actually behaving very badly in that he has a real responsibility to create for you the sensual and cathartic environment that you both agreed on, if he really cared, he would continue and redouble his efforts in meeting your actual desires.

When you are able to outthink and judge your Master, then he is obviously not of a sufficient level to provide the kinds of experiences that you need, this is most likely lazyness on his part, as it usually is, but can be a whole bunch of stuff together. The reasons are never important, there are a thousand reasons for any outcome, but it doesn't change the way it is. If you are coming to a posting board with this, then you are in a situation that is obviously unpleasant for you, so get out. You are a sub, not a babysitter, mommy, or wet nurse, that isn't what you signed up for, so don't put up with it.

There are many types of people, but they generally fall into three main types, idiots, crybabys, and jerks. Either they think, feel, or move too much. Your master sounds like a crybaby, his taking of a dom position is probably a distortion of his narcissistic need for a provider, an all accessible mommy that he lacked, or didn't get enough of when he was a baby, now he is simply projecting onto you, due to emotional attachment, his narcisstic needs, and not in a dom way, but in a childish and pointless grab, for whatever reason, and really, who gives a shit, for some "if you really cared, you'd be psychic, and fullfill my needs without me having to order you around".

You need to tell him, to paraphrase SailingBum "Man up!" But in reality, that's most likely completely pointless. You need to feel dominated and controlled, or so it sounds to me. However the first part of any controll is self-control. No sub is ever going to feel within control with a person who has no mastery of himself and his emotions, or speech and intonation and so on and so forth.

So to sum up, this sounds ridiculous, if it is truly not what you want, then it's time to find a new dom.

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 2:15:51 PM   
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If this behaviour is something completely new and a total turnover of his "usual self", the first thing that comes to my mind is some personal trauma (bad news, injuries or disease of a loved one, loss of job etc). Some people have difficulties talking about such things when they happen....

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/2/2009 5:49:29 PM   
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He has become very emotional, needy


For someone who asks a question you come up with the answer rather quickly... I gotta stop eating salami while I am typing, my keyboard gets rather sticky.

What if... he is an emotionally conflicted person, who used D/s as a way to get to a personal relationship without having to date and court? And now is having a hard time surfacing his real personality? It is not unusual for people to use D/s as a shortcut to "love", and it is frankly the only explanation I can think of. Helped by your rather generous "hints"..

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RE: Why is Master getting soft? - 6/3/2009 3:57:33 AM   
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Good morning!
That exactly happened to us, except Daddy never got offensive. He simply panicked and pulled back, not writing love anymore or love you. He said he still has feelings, still cares but when I asked him if he still loved me, he said, "I really don't know what that means anymore" His past relationships really screwed him up so that when we became so close-yes after 13 months-he panicked. He won't talk about it, has to work it out himself but he did try and push me away, and I refused to go. Got mean, got nasty, never hit me though but really pushed me to where any sane woman would have left. I love him, I cannot. So I stayed and will let him work it out. Things are pretty much the same way except for those little things and when I ask him if he has worked any on the issue, he shakes his head and says "I do not want to discuss it yet."

I am not going anywhere, my vanilla situation requires I live and die here, so does his. But maybe yours is different. But I understand your being thrown for a loop on a moment's notice. I went thru a weekend of hell trying to hang onto him. I think he will come around, years maybe but time I have. I hope yours works out but I think it sounds like his past caught up with him and he got scared. Many men don't take love-emotions-vulnerablility well. Good luck ,big hugs,and I am here if you need to blab-just mail me.
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