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missnoir -> Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 9:58:42 AM)

I was reviewing the "bdsm in vanilla movies" thread and saw no mention of the recently released Hostel. (www.hostelfilm.com)

If you haven't seen it, the movie was based on a website discovered by director Eli Roth that advertised a fetish club in Thailand allowing wealthy businessmen to pay for a human to torture. A group of traveling twentysomethings are lead to a lesser known hostel in Europe with the promise of sexy locals "up for anything". Upon arriving they are picked off, one by one, and sold to businessmen who torture them in every imaginable way possible. Needless to say, one of the kids is able to escape and thus, their story is told.

Initially, I was drawn to the movie because of the promotional website. Themes of bdsm ran throughout. There is even a link to a website called "humans for sale". Visitors are able to fill out a thorough questionnaire and evaluate their worth on the black market. The site also gives shocking true stories of human slaves and actual hostel nightmares.

Upon seeing the movie, I was astounded to see several of my very own fetish tools featured in the torturous chambers of these madmen. Don't believe me? See the movie and then visit www.medicalfetishtoys.com.

Needless to say, the movie brought about quite a bit of conversation between myself and fellow dommes. I'd like to know what others think. What did the movie do, if anything at all, to the reputation of domination and fetish? Although considered unacceptable by most, is this form of extreme fetish at the very least understandable? Do you think shedding light on such practices might encourage others to follow in-step?

I find this subject fascinating. I would love to hear what everyone else thinks.





Chaingang -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 12:57:11 PM)

Link doesn't work.




missnoir -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 1:01:46 PM)

http://www.hostelfilm.com/

If that doesn't work, google search Hostel film. It's the top link




Chaingang -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 1:03:13 PM)

Sorry, I meant the "medicalfetishtoys" link doesn't work.

BTW, Hostel sounds like a crap film. Are you recommending it of your own, or is this merely guerrilla marketing? I can't see how a film of this description could be made and actually pass a ratings board if it should anything worth watching. I assume the film has long sequences of tedium with occasional shock/horror thrills. The previews I saw looked like the film has some amputation sequences, and maybe a head drilling one also. That makes this the penultimate sleazy horror film of its genre, and that list is mighty long...




thetammyjo -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 4:39:11 PM)

Its Quintin Tarantino produced I believe -- I'd expect a lot of gore and jumpy plots.

I might rent it as a freebie when I rent something else but the trailer didn't say "come to the theater" to me. And I just don't see kink in movies about murder and torture -- perhaps I'm weird this way but it just doesn't do it for me in any way.





petwolf22 -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 4:57:19 PM)

i still am curious to see it...

gee, didn't think i'd be worth that much...scary stuff




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 5:12:10 PM)

This is the essay that I put on my LJ- spoilers attached.

Hostel is a movie about three college-age backpackers screwing their way through Europe. They find themselves somehow in Slovakia sold off to a torture house and given over to a club of sadists who get their thrills by hacking and killing.

If that’s all you want to take it for- you will be quite satisfied. The gore and gruesome factor in this movie is particularly high and you won’t leave hungry for blood. They make a passing attempt at depth: our hero gives a story early on about a brush with death when he was younger, one of the new members of the killer’s club explains his need for new and permanent thrills versus the temporary quick pleasure of a fuck. But really, you will remember this movie for the gore and death. One thing to note though: They COULD have shown a lot more than they did.

But I found the movie actually piqued my interest on quite a few levels.

First is the S&M level. The first complete torture scene that we are treated to involves a power drill. When the torturer first picks up the hardware, amongst all the other hand operated elements, almost everyone in the audience laughed. I’m pretty sure this was a visceral response to try and process the horror of actually picking up a drill to menace someone. Myself, DCS and NV however, had absolutely no reaction of laughter. I think perhaps because for us it was a bit more real, it was a part of our sphere of existence in some fashion. After the first few torture scenes, no one in the audience laughed, because it had BECOME real for them at that point and they had to deal with it.

S&M is not always fluffy. It’s not always about the good endorphin highs, the spiritual travels and the endurance points. Sometimes it’s blood and pain. I know for a fact that there are some sadists in the world who will watch Hostel and get extremely aroused by the movie, the killing, the torture. I know the difference between the ones in the movie and the ones who don’t do it is a mere breath of conscience and self-awareness. A mere conviction that it would be wrong to do that. Even a lot of kinksters don’t like to consider that, that in some ways we really are NOT different than evil wrong people. Our desires really ARE that deep, that dark, that cruel, that taboo.

This is both a good and a bad thing. It helps us explain and become more acceptable. Blindfolds and kinky sex hooray! Gags for the masses! On the other hand, it pushes the cruelties further away.

Another level is that of judgement of death. Our protagonist gets a lucky break with a chainsaw and manages to escape- by killing his torturer and a guard. He kills another torturer in the process of rescuing a girl. In escaping by car he has to choose whether to give himself up or run over the people who led him to Slovakia and seduced and sold him. He chooses to run them over. Later he is faced with a choice of running a gang of children over or not. He actually gets the children to kill the men following him. In the very end, he is faced with the opportunity to walk away or kill the torturer who killed his friend. He not only kills him, but exacts revenge by slicing off the two fingers which he had lost.

Is one form of murder ok? Is vengeance ok? Is killing someone to save yourself acceptable? Is torture worse than murder? Are the children as wrong as the men? We learn in the movie that the hero wants to be a lawyer. Here he is faced with real life issues and exacts justice at every turn.

For myself I know I could kill. I know if faced with the right circumstance, I would kill without mercy and without regret. That disturbs me on occasion while it also comforts me. What bothers me most is how easily I would dismiss anything except my own sense of righteousness when the time came, and how fragile that balance is. What would make me better than someone who would burn an eyeball out with a blow torch?

In another sense of death, the woman our hero saves kills herself after seeing her face mangled and burned. Was her death wrong because she wasted the life he had given back to her by rescuing her? Or did she allow him to escape by providing a distraction? Does it matter? How do you balance good or bad? Does it even matter?

Frankly I liked my ending better. My ending was that the hero, by traveling through Europe to find the best pussy to screw, is forced to learn the thrill of the kill. Thus he himself becomes addicted and a member of the killer’s club. His sense of right and wrong is as skewed as anyone’s and falls victim to his own desires for more.

Instead he exacts revenge on the torturer by slicing off his fingers and then slitting his throat, leaves him for dead and gets on the train supposedly towards home and safety. The end.






mantis65 -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 8:47:00 PM)

Well “sounds like” a crap movie isn’t a review. You would have to see it to know for sure. Haven’t yet but I know its sort of borrows the formula from a very shocking movie called Audition.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/audition/
Audition is basically a romantic comedy like sleepless in Seattle in then turns into a nightmare. Hostel is like porkys and then becomes a movie about a human slaughter house.

With Horror movies it’s a matter of taste. But sense I know the J –horror formula its using I may not be to surprise by the gruesomeness then again I thought the same think about Audition and there was some nasty stuff that actually disturbed me.
I usually find horror movie gore almost comical in a b-move type way with Audition
I didn’t.
I haven’t seen Hostel but everyone that I know that has (and loves horror) has loved it.




mantis65 -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 8:48:57 PM)

sorry LuckyAlbatross i skipped over you post i saw the spoiler warning !
Even if it sucks I don’t want to know to much


In fact I better avoid this thread till I see it !!!
mantis




cloudboy -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 10:07:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Sorry, I meant the "medicalfetishtoys" link doesn't work.

BTW, Hostel sounds like a crap film. Are you recommending it of your own, or is this merely guerrilla marketing? I can't see how a film of this description could be made and actually pass a ratings board if it should anything worth watching. I assume the film has long sequences of tedium with occasional shock/horror thrills. The previews I saw looked like the film has some amputation sequences, and maybe a head drilling one also. That makes this the penultimate sleazy horror film of its genre, and that list is mighty long...


Tarantino seems to be slumming it these days:

>Once a victim is kidnapped, he or she is stripped to the underwear and handcuffed to a chair in a stark, concrete room. A paying customer will enter in a rubber apron and surgical mask and, using a wide array of tools and objects laid out on a nearby table, proceed to torture and kill the victim.

Roth knows that you can't present a concept this heinous to your audience without being willing to follow through on the gore and sadism, and Roth is more than eager to endlessly exploit his subject matter. His film is cruel, sadistic, and fairly sick (one scene, featuring a woman getting her face sheared off with a blow torch, I found particularly difficult to watch). Hostel has more scenes featuring people vomiting behind gag balls than any movie in recent memory. The make-up work by the prolific K.N.B. EFX Group (Sin City, Land of the Dead) is outstanding, as always.

As with Cabin Fever, Roth struggles with consistency of tone, and this undermines the cruelty of his violence. Hostel is a very funny movie, and if it had been any less funny, it would have been too disturbing for mainstream audiences. However, the scenes of violence in this film are dead serious, and it's difficult to tell whether Roth's directorial mood swings are intentional or not.<

http://www.smart-popcorn.com/reviews/1237/




cacodylic -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/9/2006 11:35:16 PM)

quote:

S&M is not always fluffy. It’s not always about the good endorphin highs, the spiritual travels and the endurance points. Sometimes it’s blood and pain. I know for a fact that there are some sadists in the world who will watch Hostel and get extremely aroused by the movie, the killing, the torture. I know the difference between the ones in the movie and the ones who don’t do it is a mere breath of conscience and self-awareness. A mere conviction that it would be wrong to do that.

I found this movie really depressing. As a relative newbie sub, I've definitely learned to be very cautious about whom I even approach. I'm so turned off by the greed and the <hmmm, 'unflattering' comment here> exhibited by so many profile posters, both dom and sub.

The movie seemed all too realistic re the torturers -- and even more so re the profiteers who cater to them... history and current news offer plenty of evidence that such things are out there.

quote:

Even a lot of kinksters don’t like to consider that, that in some ways we really are NOT different than evil wrong people. Our desires really ARE that deep, that dark, that cruel, that taboo.
This is both a good and a bad thing. It helps us explain and become more acceptable. Blindfolds and kinky sex hooray! Gags for the masses! On the other hand, it pushes the cruelties further away.

Well, I have definite limits and a well-developed sense of self-preservation [;)]

quote:

Is one form of murder ok? Is vengeance ok? Is killing someone to save yourself acceptable? Is torture worse than murder?

Sometimes Sometimes Definitely Sometimes

quote:

For myself I know I could kill. I know if faced with the right circumstance, I would kill without mercy and without regret. That disturbs me on occasion while it also comforts me.

Same here

quote:

What bothers me most is how easily I would dismiss anything except my own sense of righteousness when the time came, and how fragile that balance is. What would make me better than someone who would burn an eyeball out with a blow torch?

Geez, if you have to ask.... LOL




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/10/2006 6:21:27 AM)

I got dragged to see this on opening day. That friend is NEVER allowed to pick movies again.

Keep in mind that I don't like gore films anyway ~

First half: gratuituous sex. Second half: gratuitous gore.

Bleah.




windchymes -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/10/2006 7:00:42 AM)

Ok, question for you movie buffs. Remember the movie "Seven", starring Morgan Freeman, and it was based on killings linked to each of the seven deadly sins.

In the scene based on "lust".....I have replayed that scene several times, but because it's flashy lighting, loud, and quick, I just cannot tell exactly what has happened. How the girl died, what the guy is screaming about "get if off me!"

What really happened in that scene??? I even searched the net looking for an answer.

thanks




stef -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/10/2006 8:14:25 AM)

I'm not sure if you're watching an "edited for broadcast" or uncut version, but I remember the latter showing the scene in pretty graphic detail. The guy is screaming because Kevin Spacey's character made him wear a strap-on harness with a large serrated blade where the dildo normaly would have been. He was forced to use it on the woman and that was the mechanism of her demise.

A perfect image to go with morning tea.

~stef




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/10/2006 8:17:09 AM)

quote:

I'm not sure if you're watching an "edited for broadcast" or uncut version, but I remember the latter showing the scene in pretty graphic detail. The guy is screaming because Kevin Spacey's character made him wear a strap-on harness with a large serrated blade where the dildo normaly would have been. He was forced to use it on the woman and that was the mechanism of her demise.

A perfect image to go with morning tea.

~stef


::crossing that one off my list of movies to see::




Chaingang -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/10/2006 8:18:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes
What really happened in that scene??? I even searched the net looking for an answer.


Just in passing it's worth noting that one of the things that Seven has going for it is its mainly Greek Tragedy type violence - most of it is implied and off-screen.

IIRC, the scene to which you refer is one in which John Doe had a jagged hunting dagger made into a phallus of some kind. The detectives even visit the shop where an artisan manufactured the device and has a photo of it, there's a bit of an exchange where it's not clear how or why the man would take such a seemingly outrageous commission. The confession of the man who fucked the prostitute reveals that he didn't want to perform the act as demanded by John Doe but that he was forced to because he had a gun in his mouth - so the choice was fuck and kill or die. So the man was forced to kill the prostitute by repeat stabs in the vagina with the dagger/phallus - a very appalling way to die. The defense of necessity (fear of death) is often taken as exoneration of any wrongdoing, BTW.




Gauge -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/10/2006 9:08:55 AM)

quote:

I found this movie really depressing. As a relative newbie sub, I've definitely learned to be very cautious about whom I even approach. I'm so turned off by the greed and the <hmmm, 'unflattering' comment here> exhibited by so many profile posters, both dom and sub.

The movie seemed all too realistic re the torturers -- and even more so re the profiteers who cater to them... history and current news offer plenty of evidence that such things are out there.



It is easy to dismiss a horror film like Friday the 13th or Nightmare On Elm Street because the villains are so obviously fictional that we can laugh at them.

It is far more difficult to dismiss something that is actually feasible and realistic. It strikes a chord of true horror because we realize that it could happen... and, in some instances, does.




windchymes -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/10/2006 10:06:30 AM)

Thanks for filling me in. It was definitely the tv version, and I didn't see a lot of the detail you all mentioned.

Sorry about the morning tea.




Eclecta -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/22/2006 12:55:44 AM)

I am so looking forward to seeing this movie.. Tarantino is just awesome, so I know I'll love the movie. I'll let ya know what I think after I see it.




SophiaBelle -> RE: Reactions to Hostel (2/22/2006 9:19:14 AM)

As usual LA- you deliver fully with your post.

I have not seen the movie. I rather downright refuse :-/ my manfellow however, has, and was on and off displeased. He is a big fan of gore, but said that he found the tone of the movie to be off. I myself despise Tarantino with a passion (I feel he simply likes shock factor and is a director/writer attention whore) and thus had no qualms saying 'no' to this movie.

Someone else mentioned J-horror- and I've never brought it up, but a lot of J-horror is mired with BDSM tidbits- and is also usually much more disturbing than the horror made over here in the US of A. (See Suicide Club if you'd like to be heavily disturbed by underlying themes of commercialism and lolita men torturing animals.) In point and fact, J-horror makes me sit and reasses my own limits and desires, for instance, in the particular scene mentioned in Suicide Club, there are veiled rape scenes (they are in large pillow cases) and the men start killing the girls they are raping. I found myself distinctly turned off by this- and I was faintly relieved that MY PARTICULAR kink did not extend so far (I am NOT knocking anyone else's kink.)

Back to Hostel! Eitherway, I may watch it once it's out on viday-o. But if I want cheap tits and gore, I'll go see Final Destination 3 again.




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