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Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 1:15:17 PM

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An Arkansas man accused of a shooting at a Little Rock military center in which one soldier was killed and another was wounded pleaded not guilty during an arraignment Tuesday, authorities said.
Abdulhakim Bledsoe, 23, of Little Rock faces a first-degree murder charge and 16 counts of engaging in a terrorist act, Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas said.
The terrorist counts stem from the shots fired at an occupied building.
Bledsoe is being held without bail.
The suspect is a Muslim convert who has also gone by Carlos Bledsoe and Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/02/arkansas.recruiter.shooting/?iref=mpstoryview

From reading this, the act of terrorism is not the shooting, but the attack on a building housing people, not the individuals.
Sadly, each religion inherits " nutjobs ".
I wonder if the CM members and society as a whole will be as willing to denounce and vilify " Islam" as they have been in the Christian Terrorist thread about Christians.
For me, just as with the Doctor killer, this is a murderer, who happens to have a religious background and has lost sight of what that religion teaches.
I am waiting to see what, if anything, our President has to say on this matter. He was quick to reply to the killing of Dr.Tiller.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 1:30:04 PM

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I wonder if the CM members and society as a whole will be as willing to denounce and vilify " Islam" as they have been in the Christian Terrorist thread about Christians.

I've read every word posted on this forum in regards to the terrorist attack on Dr. Tiller and I can't find any villification of christianity and certainly no criticism to compare to the villification and criticism of islam routinely seen on this forum.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 2:23:01 PM

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Don't worry... there will never be the same outrage for american soldiers getting killed as there is for terrorists getting "tortured" in gitmo.
I wonder if this act will lead to christian terrorists recruitment as gitmo did for islamists.
Since philosophy was so quick to point out that there are so many christian terrorists in the US.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 2:53:46 PM

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Since philosophy was so quick to point out that there are so many christian terrorists in the US.

......i pointed out that they exist. not that there are 'many'. Feel free to find a quote of mine where i said that..........either that or apologise. i'll be waiting, but i wont hold my breath.

As for the OP......i condemn terrorists of whatever stripe.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 3:14:10 PM

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"i condemn terrorists of whatever stripe".
wow... now that is some kind of bold statement there. do you feel better after that declaration?

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 3:19:56 PM

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Since philosophy was so quick to point out that there are so many christian terrorists in the US.

......i pointed out that they exist. not that there are 'many'. Feel free to find a quote of mine where i said that..........either that or apologise. i'll be waiting, but i wont hold my breath.

As for the OP......i condemn terrorists of whatever stripe.

As do I, philosophy. I tend not to label their race, religious beliefs or other such stuff that really has nothing to do with the act.

Terrorist or terrorism infers an organized group of people with a common agenda of inflicting fear and harm on it's " enemies". One thinks of training camps, an oraganizational structure to the terrorists gang, caches of weapons, plots and schemes being worked out to do what ever deed they have in mind. That may not be the absolute definition, but that is what the inference is to many/most people.

In the case of the man who killed Dr. Tiller and this man who killed the soldiers, it was an individual act, without backing from any organized anything. < by all accounts known>. That makes it murder to me, not terrorism.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 3:26:47 PM

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if one belongs to a religion that wages jihad on the us, and it's soldiers, and he is part of that religion, then i would say that is an organized group.
i don't think christians have waged a holy war on muslims or abortion doctors just yet.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 3:34:03 PM

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if one belongs to a religion that wages jihad on the us, and it's soldiers, and he is part of that religion, then i would say that is an organized group.

So because he is a Muslim, he must be part of some terrorist group, and not just a nut job ?

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 3:40:14 PM

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i'm not saying 100%... but if he goes out and kills one soldier and injures one, i'd say he's bought into this whole jihad thing.
but i tend to jump to conclusions.

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if one belongs to a religion that wages jihad on the us, and it's soldiers, and he is part of that religion, then i would say that is an organized group.

So because he is a Muslim, he must be part of some terrorist group, and not just a nut job ?

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 3:56:19 PM

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So because he is a Muslim, he must be part of some terrorist group, and not just a nut job ?

I have been trying to figure out why he is charged with terrorism, and I came across the US Legal definition and he fits that, by his act.

"(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;"

I hope, and believe, this was the act of a deranged individual, not of any organized wacky splinter group. I am sure we will find out soon enough.

http://terrorism.about.com/od/whatisterroris1/ss/DefineTerrorism_5.htm

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 3:59:04 PM

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i'm not saying 100%... but if he goes out and kills one soldier and injures one, i'd say he's bought into this whole jihad thing.
but i tend to jump to conclusions.

What I find so sad about this is we know next to nothing about this and you're ready to lump this guy in with the jihadists while OTOH denying that Roeder is a christian terrorist despite the fact that we have a mountain of evidence indicating Roeder was influenced by his faith and supported by a group of like minded fellow travelers, including at least one convicted terrorist.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 4:24:18 PM

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Oh contare DK, we do know a little somthing about him.
He traveled to Yemen, using a Somali passport. He was arrested in Yemen for this. He studied Jihad under an Islamic scolar while in Yemen. He has been on the FBI' terrorist watch list for a while. Does that make him part of an organized terrorist group, not at the moment. By all accounts he acted alone, but he certainly has roots to extremists.

What I find so sad in this is that our President has not come out and offered his sympathies to the surviving soldier and the dead soldier's family and assured them all would be done to bring this criminal to justice, as he did immediately following the murder of Dr. Tiller. That pisses me off more than anything else.
Commander in Chief, my ass.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 4:38:31 PM

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Don't worry... there will never be the same outrage for american soldiers getting killed as there is for terrorists getting "tortured" in gitmo.

Pretty selective reasoning there--not to mention blatantly false.

There's been protest aplenty since before Bush indulged Rumsfeld, ignoring military leaders, getting us into this quick in/out bullshit in Afghanistan and Iraq. And protest aplenty continues.

Geez.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 4:47:14 PM

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Not to mention, the general argument here is: the other "evil" people are doing it, therefore WE should be dragging ourselves down to their level!

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 4:59:12 PM

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Oh contare DK, we do know a little somthing about him.
He traveled to Yemen, using a Somali passport. He was arrested in Yemen for this. He studied Jihad under an Islamic scolar while in Yemen. He has been on the FBI' terrorist watch list for a while. Does that make him part of an organized terrorist group, not at the moment. By all accounts he acted alone, but he certainly has roots to extremists.

What I find so sad in this is that our President has not come out and offered his sympathies to the surviving soldier and the dead soldier's family and assured them all would be done to bring this criminal to justice, as he did immediately following the murder of Dr. Tiller. That pisses me off more than anything else.
Commander in Chief, my ass.

So it outraged you every time GWB failed to publicly acknowledge a soldier's murder? I've checked every post you've ever made and didn't find any outrage on the subject.

BTW just so you know SoP is for the President to do that sort of thing directly to survivors of servicemen not by press release.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 5:28:37 PM

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I don't recall any threads here of the murder of a soldier on US soil by a civilian. I may have missed them. I do remember one soldier in Detroit being killed just after he had just returned from Iraq. Not sure if it was a thread here or not. Not sure if I was even a member then.

So let's not play the GWB card. I wasn't a fan of his either. Nice try tho.

I do however, remember President Clinton speaking out about finding those responsible for the people who bombed the USS Cole and offering his support to the families. And the same with a few other attacks on US Soldiers/bases during his reign. I don't think there is an unwritten rule that Presidents only offer support behind closed doors.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 5:41:14 PM

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I got the AP version, so no one could scream "FOX NEWS! FOX NEWS!" like it's a moster or something...

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article.aspx?aID=115143.54928.127284

A prosecutor said Muhammad admitted shooting Long and another soldier "because of what they had done to Muslims in the past.
At Tuesday's court hearing, Deputy Prosecutor Scott Duncan said Muhammad told investigators that "he would have killed more soldiers had they been in the parking lot."
Investigators described the killing as one motivated by politics and religion: A Muslim convert upset with the U.S. military drove to a recruiting center and opened fire.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 6:25:06 PM

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I see why the liberals haven't commented. CNN doesn't even mention this on their website.
I guess that shows how important it is to liberals.
Obama's dog chewing a microphone was much more important.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 7:00:25 PM

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MissSepphora1: "...i don't think christians have waged a holy war on muslims or abortion doctors just yet."

Then you have no concept of history. And, FYI, the closest English translation of jihad is "struggle", particularly the struggle with one's own iman, translated most closely to "faith". "Holy War" has nothing to do with it, and Christians historically have had that strongest dibs on that.

At last count, there were a hell of a lot more Christians killing abortion doctors than Muslims and Jews combined. This is why someone cleverly coined the bumpersticker "God, please protect me from your followers."

Religion is beautiful, it is people who are ugly. I certainly didn't haul my puppies off to the pound when Berkowitz said "The dog made me do it." It's easy in that instance to see that it is the individual who is flawed, and not a far stretch in my mind from the current subject.

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RE: Islamic Terrorist kills two in Arkansas - 6/2/2009 7:25:42 PM

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should i add... right now.

maybe you should look up the history of muslims as well.
everyone in the west points at christians as the bad guys, because really all we are taught is our own history. we aren't taught in school about the wars in islam. we are taught about the salem witch trails, but not about women being stoned for talking to a man.

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