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Kirata -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 7:21:34 PM)
~ FR ~ King Abdullah told Obama during his visit to Riyadh last week that Arab patience was wearing thin and that a solution of the Arab-Israeli conflict would be the "magic key" to all issues in the region, al-Hayat said, quoting what it called informed sources.... Saudi Arabia was the driving force behind an Arab peace initiative first put forward by Arab states in 2002 offering Israel recognition in return for withdrawal from Arab land occupied in 1967 and a Palestinian state.... Saudi Arabia believes the collapse of Middle East peacemaking has given Iran a chance to expand its regional influence through Sunni Islamist groups such as the Palestinian Hamas, as well as its Shi'ite traditional Hezbollah allies in Lebanon. Reuters K.

subrob1967 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 7:21:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 I suppose you are one of those folks that believe the Jews run all of the world. You probably also believe the Jews cause all of our problems and run every economy in the world. In fact, I am a Jew, when I get done with work; I like to swim in my trillions of dollars that I keep in my trillion square foot house that I STOLE. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I also think of ways to make your life a living hell. If you trip and fall on ice; I tripped you. It was all me! And, I won't apologize for it. [:'(] You shouldn't suppose, it makes you look like an idiot. The only reason I support Israel is because they're the only democracy in the ME, but they're hardly friends of the US.

aphotic -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 7:27:06 PM)
You live in Israel. Every single day you are completely numb to the tanks rolling by down the street. You have little or no feelings when someone drives a vehicle carrying explosives into your neighbor's home. When you can, you aid the fight to strike back against those who want your people to have absolutely no land. Yeah, Israel told the US to get a life...get real. Name a time when Israel bombed an Air France flight (not the recent one, but the one Syria claimed in the 90's). Name a time when Israel attacked anyone but its direct enemies? Those who encroach on their land? The US does minimal for these battles in the Middle East. As an American, I'm fine with this because WW2 was our last great victory. We got involved as a country when the evil came knocking; however, we're in the thick of this right now no matter what. The US hasn't done near enough. As a person with a Jewish heritage, you have no right to say that we're saying "screw you". You only read your papers and watch your TV. This has been going on all too long. We've initiated or agreed to every cease-fire, peace act, and such put forth to us. Them? They won't stop until they are right. Yeah, screw Israel. They are anti-US.

viewingthesite11 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 7:44:05 PM)
There have been many cases in history where political leaders of a country has made many political or strategical blunders. An example of this would be after World War 1. Instead of us rebuilding Germany, we instead decided to force them to sign the Treaty of Versailles which inconsequently created a distraught economy that created an environment for political parties like the NAZIS to thrive and persue a mission of world domination. Evan than, our leaders continued to ignore the threat; Roosevelt promised the people that we would avoid war at all costs (thats one reason why he got ellected). Than sadly, the boming of Pearl Harbor occured and there we are in the for front of WW2. The point I am trying to make is, some times our leaders makes many political mistakes. Now let me ask all of the nay sayers some questions myself. How would turning our backs on Israel make us stronger, and our enemies weaker? What strategical, political, economic benefit would we get out of not helping Israel? Do you truly believe that all of the muslim nations would suddenly become our friend if we decide to disband Israel? If Israel was not at all an important ally, than why have we been supporting them all these years? Would you admit that Bill Clinton, George W Bush, George Bush senior, Reagon, and Jimmy Carter were wrong to support Israel? Please give me evidence that support Israel has done nothing for us.

cadenas -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 8:12:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 I don't know if what this man said is true or not. However, if we do abandon Israel, we would have very little influence in the middle east considering that they are essentially our only real true ally in that part of the world. ... I am sure they are part of the reason why an attack has not occurred on American soil since 2001. If we were to turn our backs away from Israel during a time of war, which we are in, it would be devastating to our objective of fighting terrorism. In my opinion, turning our backs on Israel right now would be equivalent to turning our backs away from our allies during the cold war. If we would have done that, Russia would perhaps be at our door step. The real strategic blunder happened a long time ago when we sided with Israel in the first place and let them get away with tons of things that we would condemn every other country in the world for. A recent example: our tacit approval of Israel illegally building nuclear bombs vs. our outrage about Iran (and North Korea). That's compunded by our support for India's nuclear ambitions against Muslim Pakistan. Until we told the Arabs "screw you" the Arab world was actually quite friendly to the West, and very moderate. 9/11 is a direct result of that imbalance. So I wouldn't worry too much about losing a "strategic ally" when the alliance is the root cause of the problem. The Europeans have recognized that years ago and taken a far more balanced approach. So Israel better toe the line with the US, or they'll soon be on their own.

Kirata -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 8:13:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 How would turning our backs on Israel make us stronger, and our enemies weaker? What strategical, political, economic benefit would we get out of not helping Israel? Do you truly believe that all of the muslim nations would suddenly become our friend if we decide to disband Israel? Why is the choice couched in terms of support for Israel right or wrong, versus turning our back on them? Do we have to support their land grabs, or be accused of abandoning them? Gimmie a break. If Israel loses American support, they'll have no one to thank but themselves. K.

Lorr47 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 8:32:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aphotic You live in Israel. Every single day you are completely numb to the tanks rolling by down the street. You have little or no feelings when someone drives a vehicle carrying explosives into your neighbor's home. When you can, you aid the fight to strike back against those who want your people to have absolutely no land. Yeah, Israel told the US to get a life...get real. Name a time when Israel bombed an Air France flight (not the recent one, but the one Syria claimed in the 90's). Name a time when Israel attacked anyone but its direct enemies? Those who encroach on their land? The US does minimal for these battles in the Middle East. As an American, I'm fine with this because WW2 was our last great victory. We got involved as a country when the evil came knocking; however, we're in the thick of this right now no matter what. The US hasn't done near enough. As a person with a Jewish heritage, you have no right to say that we're saying "screw you". You only read your papers and watch your TV. This has been going on all too long. We've initiated or agreed to every cease-fire, peace act, and such put forth to us. Them? They won't stop until they are right. Yeah, screw Israel. They are anti-US. I believe it was Winston Churchill who wanted the Jewish people to make a homeland in North Africa in an undeveloped area where vicious reaction was much less likely. Of course that suggestion was refused. The Middle East was insisted upon and the result was much akin to having Afro Americans after the civil war being given a homeland in the South and about 30 miles from the KKK world headquarters. And, nothing was supposed to go wrong? Minimal. Surely you jest. Total up just the direct aid given over the years. Add to that the complete hatred the Muslims have for us for backing Israel throughout the years. If we had not backed Israel's location would have 9/11 even have occurred? Would over 4,000 be dead from the war in Iraq? The root cause of this Middle East mess is our support of an ill conceived nation located in the wrong place. And, it has cost us over the years in money, hatred and lives. And, we still owe more? Kirata above mentioned the attempted 2002 peace proposals. What did Israel do with them. Unfortunately when the shit hits the fan, the US soldier is expected to put his ass on the line. How much of the cold war expenditures were due to the US and Russia repeatedly facing off nose to nose over the Jewish and Arab problem; about the location of Israel. Somehow I cannot believe that Israel has agreed to everything suggested. I think it was assumed that the US will come to the aid of Israel and since Clinton had the guts to hedge, that must be scary. You say that this has gone on too long. I agree. This whole thing is a problem with a short tail wagging the dog. Israel may not be anti US but it uses us and then puts us away wet. Consider if Israel had been located elsewhere. The US might have a couple billion less enemies.

jlf1961 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 9:24:17 PM)
I hate to disappoint people but the continued assumption that the Arab countries want to see Israel gone is flawed. 1. The current activity of Hamas and other Palestinian groups is geared toward a Palestinian homeland. 2. Syria does not now and never has had a nuclear program. 3. Iran may actually gain the ability to make nuclear weapons, but as of this time they have no decent delivery systems. 4. Officially, Israel does not have nuclear weapons, UNOFFICIALLY it is known that Israel has nuclear capability and highly accurate delivery systems. 5. The Saudi statement condemned both Israel AND the Palestinian militant groups. The condemnation of Israel was based on the fact that the Israeli army has not continued the scheduled pull out from Palestinian areas.... AND Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and other Arab countries have condemned Hezbollah and Hamas for making it impractical for Israel to pull out troops due to security reasons. 6. What Obama seems to have forgotten was that Jeruselam was not included in territory to be turned over to the Palestinians. 7. Another point that everyone seems to have forgotten concerned Jeruselam. quote: In November 1947 United Nations decided on partition of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a UN-administered Jerusalem. Partition was accepted by Zionist leaders but rejected by Arab leaders leading to the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. The original UN resolution: quote: recommended the division of the western portion of the Mandate of Palestine into two provisional states, one Jewish and one Arab, and provided the framework for a regional economic union. The General Assembly also recommended that the City of Jerusalem not be included in either state, but, rather, be placed under a special international regime administered by the United Nations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png The above link is a map of the original plan.

CruelNUnsual -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 9:41:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 If Israel is of such a strategic importance to the U.S., why did Secretary of State Clinton refuse to say that the U.S. would automatically come to the rescue of Israel should it be attacked by the Arab nations? The ABC commentator bored in trying to get Clinton to say it this morning and she refused. LOL. She said there would be retaliation. WTF do you think would retaliate besides us?

viewingthesite11 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 10:15:10 PM)
quote: Israel says screw you US Enter the "Politics and Religion" Chatroom View related threads: (in this forum \| in all forums) Logged in as: viewingthesite11 quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: I don't know if what this man said is true or not. However, if we do abandon Israel, we would have very little influence in the middle east considering that they are essentially our only real true ally in that part of the world. Also, Israel helps balance out the power through out that part of Asia. If Israel falls, Iran will become way more powerful and will have hell of a lot more influence than they ever did. If you don't believe me, look at what the fall of Iraq did to Iran: made Iran stronger. Lastly, if you were to take that Arkansa boy, and time him by 150 plus million, you will get the number of people that believe what this guy believes. So, in short, it would create a political uproar in an already deteriorating political system. Israel at the minimum, is a very important strategical ally to hold on to. They do keep countries like Jordan and Iran at bay, to some extent. They help spread American influence throughout the middle east. And, most importantly, they give us a huge amount of intelligence throughout the region. I am sure they are part of the reason why an attack has not occurred on American soil since 2001. If we were to turn our backs away from Israel during a time of war, which we are in, it would be devastating to our objective of fighting terrorism. In my opinion, turning our backs on Israel right now would be equivalent to turning our backs away from our allies during the cold war. If we would have done that, Russia would perhaps be at our door step. < Message edited by viewingthesite11 -- 6/7/2009 9:50:26 PM > If Israel is of such a strategic importance to the U.S., why did Secretary of State Clinton refuse to say that the U.S. would automatically come to the rescue of Israel should it be attacked by the Arab nations? The ABC commentator bored in trying to get Clinton to say it this morning and she refused. REAAD THIS LORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8

Lorr47 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 10:19:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 If Israel is of such a strategic importance to the U.S., why did Secretary of State Clinton refuse to say that the U.S. would automatically come to the rescue of Israel should it be attacked by the Arab nations? The ABC commentator bored in trying to get Clinton to say it this morning and she refused. LOL. She said there would be retaliation. WTF do you think would retaliate besides us? Why of course there would be a UN resolution condemning the action. He asked her 2 to 3 times whether the US would automatically retaliate, and she refused to say it. Of course, if we could form a Republican Brigade and intend to send the republicans in as the tip of the spear there never would be another war. And, how could we possibly retaliate? We no longer have Bush to land on an aircraft carrier and yell "mission accomplished;" except for the next 8 years of death and destruction.

Kirata -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 10:23:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 If Israel is of such a strategic importance to the U.S., why did Secretary of State Clinton refuse to say that the U.S. would automatically come to the rescue of Israel should it be attacked by the Arab nations? The ABC commentator bored in trying to get Clinton to say it this morning and she refused. REAAD THIS LORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR The link reports Clinton's statements regarding "a nuclear attack by Iran on Israel," not another conflict with "Arab nations." K.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 10:56:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aphotic Yeah, Israel told the US to get a life...get real. Name a time when Israel bombed an Air France flight (not the recent one, but the one Syria claimed in the 90's). Name a time when Israel attacked anyone but its direct enemies? Those who encroach on their land? Will this do? quote: [color="#990000" size="+3"]In early June of 1967, at the onset of the Six Day War, the Pentagon sent the USS Liberty from Spain into international waters off the coast of Gaza to monitor the progress of Israel's attack on the Arab states. The Liberty was a lightly armed surveillance ship. Only hours after the Liberty arrived it was spotted by the Israeli military. The IDF sent out reconnaissance planes to identify the ship. They made eight trips over a period of three hours. The Liberty was flying a large US flag and was easily recognizable as an American vessel. A few hours later more planes came. These were Israeli Mirage III fighters, armed with rockets and machine guns. As off-duty officers sunbathed on the deck, the fighters opened fire on the defenseless ship with rockets and machine guns. A few minutes later a second wave of planes streaked overhead, French-built Mystere jets, which not only pelted the ship with gunfire but also with napalm bomblets, coating the deck with the flaming jelly. By now, the Liberty was on fire and dozens were wounded and killed, excluding several of the ship's top officers. The Liberty's radio team tried to issue a distress call, but discovered the frequencies had been jammed by the Israeli planes with what one communications specialist called "a buzzsaw sound." Finally, an open channel was found and the Liberty got out a message it was under attack to the USS America, the Sixth Fleet's large aircraft carrier. As the Liberty listed in the choppy seas, its deck aflame, crew members dropped life rafts into the water and prepared to scuttle the ship. Given the number of wounded, this was going to be a dangerous operation. But it soon proved impossible, as the Israeli attack boats strafed the rafts with machine gun fire. No body was going to get out alive that way. Attack On The USS Liberty For the most part I agree with your post, and for the most part I support Israel, but Israel is no innocent angel. They've done their share of pretty shitty things, and they've got to expect that people are going to remember those things and judge them for it. If some of their chickens are coming home to roost, they've got nobody but themselves to blame.

MissSepphora1 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 10:57:35 PM)
Thank God we know now. Everyone can stop blaming Bush for everything. quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Cmon Popeye, you know Congress will never cut Israel off, Israel owns too many Congress Critters. I suppose you are one of those folks that believe the Jews run all of the world. You probably also believe the Jews cause all of our problems and run every economy in the world. In fact, I am a Jew, when I get done with work; I like to swim in my trillions of dollars that I keep in my trillion square foot house that I STOLE. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I also think of ways to make your life a living hell. If you trip and fall on ice; I tripped you. It was all me! And, I won't apologize for it. [:'(]

viewingthesite11 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 10:58:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 How would turning our backs on Israel make us stronger, and our enemies weaker? What strategical, political, economic benefit would we get out of not helping Israel? Do you truly believe that all of the muslim nations would suddenly become our friend if we decide to disband Israel? Why is the choice couched in terms of support for Israel right or wrong, versus turning our back on them? Do we have to support their land grabs, or be accused of abandoning them? Gimmie a break. If Israel loses American support, they'll have no one to thank but themselves. K. ........ what are you talking about? Did you just pull a liberal talkity smack where every thing you spew out of your head is nothing more than nonsense that has no meaning? You didn't even answer the dam question, so why bother quoting it?

cadenas -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 10:59:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 7. Another point that everyone seems to have forgotten concerned Jeruselam. quote: In November 1947 United Nations decided on partition of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a UN-administered Jerusalem. Partition was accepted by Zionist leaders but rejected by Arab leaders leading to the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. The original UN resolution: quote: recommended the division of the western portion of the Mandate of Palestine into two provisional states, one Jewish and one Arab, and provided the framework for a regional economic union. The General Assembly also recommended that the City of Jerusalem not be included in either state, but, rather, be placed under a special international regime administered by the United Nations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png The above link is a map of the original plan. Thanks for that interesting information! I didn't know what the map actually looked like. No wonder we have such a mess! If you look at it, that map is even more unworkable than what we have today. Both Israel and Palestine cutting each other into three separate parts, just a few miles across. That is so clueless that I'm tempted to say that whoever drew up that map must have planned on decades of warfare. It doesn't justify Israel just occupying Palestinian lands, of course. It doesn't justify Israel ignoring international law about treating occupied territories (you cannot settle your own population in occupied territories, unless you annex the territory completely and grant the local population the same citizenship rights).

Lorr47 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 11:05:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 quote: Israel says screw you US Enter the "Politics and Religion" Chatroom View related threads: (in this forum \| in all forums) Logged in as: viewingthesite11 quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: I don't know if what this man said is true or not. However, if we do abandon Israel, we would have very little influence in the middle east considering that they are essentially our only real true ally in that part of the world. Also, Israel helps balance out the power through out that part of Asia. If Israel falls, Iran will become way more powerful and will have hell of a lot more influence than they ever did. If you don't believe me, look at what the fall of Iraq did to Iran: made Iran stronger. Lastly, if you were to take that Arkansa boy, and time him by 150 plus million, you will get the number of people that believe what this guy believes. So, in short, it would create a political uproar in an already deteriorating political system. Israel at the minimum, is a very important strategical ally to hold on to. They do keep countries like Jordan and Iran at bay, to some extent. They help spread American influence throughout the middle east. And, most importantly, they give us a huge amount of intelligence throughout the region. I am sure they are part of the reason why an attack has not occurred on American soil since 2001. If we were to turn our backs away from Israel during a time of war, which we are in, it would be devastating to our objective of fighting terrorism. In my opinion, turning our backs on Israel right now would be equivalent to turning our backs away from our allies during the cold war. If we would have done that, Russia would perhaps be at our door step. < Message edited by viewingthesite11 -- 6/7/2009 9:50:26 PM > If Israel is of such a strategic importance to the U.S., why did Secretary of State Clinton refuse to say that the U.S. would automatically come to the rescue of Israel should it be attacked by the Arab nations? The ABC commentator bored in trying to get Clinton to say it this morning and she refused. REAAD THIS LORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqCHpWT8Sqm8 The seven cites you list are to the same article. According to the cited article, the question was: would the US retaliate if Iran attacked Israel with a nuclear device? As I heard the repeated question, she was asked several times whether the US would retaliate if Israel was attacked by Arab nations? Rather than replying with the normal past verbiage that the an attack on Israel would be considered an attack on the US, she sidestepped the anticipated answer and indicated that there would be retaliation given treaties and the like between nations. However, she would not commit that the retaliation would come from the US. Cruel and Unusual had a valid point when he questioned who would retaliate except the US. However, she pointedly would not say it. I think the Jewish state feared this answer during the election. Why would Obama and Clinton be hesitant to rattle sabers? Do you think that the US electorate would for one second tolerate the US dropping a nuclear device on Iran even if Iran dropped one on Israel? Under the heading "there is safety in numbers" the problem would go to the UN. Do you think that the US electorate would tolerate for one second an airlifting of the National Guard into a nuclear war zone? Again off we go to the UN. The retaliation would be a UN Resolution condemning the action but would the UN vote to nuke Iran or send their troops into a nuclear war zone? (A rhetorical question.)

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 11:08:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 How would turning our backs on Israel make us stronger, and our enemies weaker? What strategical, political, economic benefit would we get out of not helping Israel? Do you truly believe that all of the muslim nations would suddenly become our friend if we decide to disband Israel? Why is the choice couched in terms of support for Israel right or wrong, versus turning our back on them? Do we have to support their land grabs, or be accused of abandoning them? Gimmie a break. If Israel loses American support, they'll have no one to thank but themselves. K. ........ what are you talking about? Did you just pull a liberal talkity smack where every thing you spew out of your head is nothing more than nonsense that has no meaning? You didn't even answer the dam question, so why bother quoting it? Somehow I doubt that Kirata is just spouting mindless liberal talking points. You might want to slow down a bit, relax and take a deep breath, read people's posts more carefully and with fewer assumptions and less hostility. That is, if you're actually here to have a discussion. If you're just here to attack anything that looks like it might possibly be thinking of maybe disagreeing with you, then by all means, fire at will.

viewingthesite11 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 11:09:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cadenas It doesn't justify Israel just occupying Palestinian lands, of course. It doesn't justify Israel ignoring international law about treating occupied territories (you cannot settle your own population in occupied territories, unless you annex the territory completely and grant the local population the same citizenship rights). This argument is not about Israel being right or wrong; it's about Israel being an important strategical ally to the U.S.

MissSepphora1 -> RE: Israel says screw you US (6/7/2009 11:11:53 PM)
I'm sorry, but I am so sick of this lie I could puke. If Israel is such an ally, why are there more Israeli spies in US prisons than from any other nation? Why are there no strategic Army posts on Israeli land. They help spread American influence through the middle east? What are you, insane or just stupid? The only influence Israel has in the middle east is that of anger and hatred. The only thing keeping Jordan at bay is the US "Aid" we send them every year, same with Egypt. I'm so sick of the indoctriniztion. Please people, wake up. We are sending more "Aid" to Israel than to any other country, and they are the 14th economy in the world. Why do they even need our aid? Shouldn't that money be better spent here, or in countries in Africa? There are people out there dying in need of clean water, and Israel has beautiful green lawns. quote: ORIGINAL: viewingthesite11 quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 I cannot get into an argument lately without someone jumping to my "most unfavorite" topic; religion. I told a truck driver about Israel's response. He said that we cannot abandon Israel. I asked why. He answered that our backing of Israel is the reason the US will survive and then quoted the bible chapter and verse. He was adamant that as long as we back Israel god will protect the US and that god has so promised. A good ole southern boy from Arkansas who I cannot argue with since he resorts to the bible. I don't know if what this man said is true or not. However, if we do abandon Israel, we would have very little influence in the middle east considering that they are essentially our only real true ally in that part of the world. Also, Israel helps balance out the power through out that part of Asia. If Israel falls, Iran will become way more powerful and will have hell of a lot more influence than they ever did. If you don't believe me, look at what the fall of Iraq did to Iran: made Iran stronger. Lastly, if you were to take that Arkansa boy, and time him by 150 plus million, you will get the number of people that believe what this guy believes. So, in short, it would create a political uproar in an already deteriorating political system. Israel at the minimum, is a very important strategical ally to hold on to. They do keep countries like Jordan and Iran at bay, to some extent. They help spread American influence throughout the middle east. And, most importantly, they give us a huge amount of intelligence throughout the region. I am sure they are part of the reason why an attack has not occurred on American soil since 2001. If we were to turn our backs away from Israel during a time of war, which we are in, it would be devastating to our objective of fighting terrorism. In my opinion, turning our backs on Israel right now would be equivalent to turning our backs away from our allies during the cold war. If we would have done that, Russia would perhaps be at our door step.

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